Saint Seiya Discussion Thread 3 - The Continuation

DrunkHC · Oct 24, 2019

kurumada suikoden is a spin off crossover where various characters from different works of Kurumada appear one of these works is Fuuma no Kojiro.

Death Mask confronts Ryoma a Fuuma character, Ryoma has the ability/hax to trapped his opponent's body in a mirror, Death Mask has been trapped in the mirror but the golden saint can easily escape this attack.

Ryoma atack(Shikyoken).

http://mangaonline.com.br/images/mangas/103/10/40.jpg http://mangaonline.com.br/images/mangas/103/10/41.jpg http://mangaonline.com.br/images/mangas/103/10/43.jpg

Death Mask feat

https://img-host.filestatic1.xyz/mangas_files/kurumada-suikoden-hero-of-heroes/8-9/7.jpg

https://img-host.filestatic1.xyz/mangas_files/kurumada-suikoden-hero-of-heroes/8-9/8.jpg

https://img-host.filestatic1.xyz/mangas_files/kurumada-suikoden-hero-of-heroes/8-9/9.jpg

https://img-host.filestatic1.xyz/mangas_files/kurumada-suikoden-hero-of-heroes/8-9/10.jpg

Crateris_Aeson · Oct 24, 2019

DrunkHC said:
kurumada suikoden is a spin off crossover where various characters from different works of Kurumada appear one of these works is Fuuma no Kojiro.
Death Mask confronts Ryoma a Fuuma character, Ryoma has the ability/hax to trapped his opponent's body in a mirror, Death Mask has been trapped in the mirror but the golden saint can easily escape this attack.

Ryoma atack(Shikyoken).

http://mangaonline.com.br/images/mangas/103/10/40.jpg http://mangaonline.com.br/images/mangas/103/10/41.jpg http://mangaonline.com.br/images/mangas/103/10/43.jpg

Death Mask feat

https://img-host.filestatic1.xyz/mangas_files/kurumada-suikoden-hero-of-heroes/8-9/7.jpg

https://img-host.filestatic1.xyz/mangas_files/kurumada-suikoden-hero-of-heroes/8-9/8.jpg

https://img-host.filestatic1.xyz/mangas_files/kurumada-suikoden-hero-of-heroes/8-9/9.jpg

https://img-host.filestatic1.xyz/mangas_files/kurumada-suikoden-hero-of-heroes/8-9/10.jpg

Interesting.

This shows that Deathmask must have resistance to sealing skills?.

In Saintia Sho, Callisto also tried to use his power to seal DeathMask / Poena but fails.

https://imgur.com/a/hDon6vN

DrunkHC said:
Shaka strongest cosmos SHONEN JUMP (1987) "SAIKYOU KOSUMO" (Stronger cosmo)https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/最強#Japanese

The Taizen also describes that Shaka has the strongest cosmos, but I do not know the information on this cover.

Mr.Cinos15 · Oct 24, 2019

Are these crossovers canon?

DrunkHC · Oct 24, 2019

Yun Kōga she the mangaka responsible for Kurumada Suikoden she a longtime fan of Kurumada's works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yun_Kōga

Kurumada Suikoden is published by Akita Shoten, currently in hiato, Yun Kōga designed some pages of Golden Age, Yun works for Akita shoten the same publisher as Next Dimension and Ep G.

In my opinion all mangas should be considered.

Kurumada Suidoken fits into the context of the existence of several universes coexisting with each other, this has already become a standard in the current works of Saint Seiya (mangas), I see no reason to disregard any manga.

Death Mask in Episode G Assassin.https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/saint-seiya-episode-g-assassin/64/4.jpg https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/saint-seiya-episode-g-assassin/64/5.jpg https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/saint-seiya-episode-g-assassin/64/6.jpg

Cancer Saints Are Differentiated

DrunkHC · Oct 24, 2019

In Soul of Gold (anime) Death Mask seals the body of a God warrior in Yomotsu Hirasaka through technique: Seki Shiki Meihitsugi Ha

note: (the caption is written: Ondas infernales(sekishiki meikai ha) but the attack is called: Seki Shiki Meihitsugi Ha)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWQU-eiuhLI video time: 3:42

Death Mask at Ep. G and Assassin showed other attacks besides sekishiki meikai ha.

Konpaku Bunri.https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/saint-seiya-episode-g-assassin/50/10.jpg

Seki Shiki Meisai Ha https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/93/(56).jpg

Kirin Gouken https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/88/(61).jpg https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/88/(62).jpg https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/88/(63).jpg

(Saint Seiya Sho) While his body was being controlled by a Driad, Death Mask showed the attack: Seki Shiki Metsu Meikai Ha https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/saint-seiya-saintia-shou/50/11.jpg

Mr.Cinos15 · Oct 24, 2019

If that is the case, then it might be okay.

DrunkHC · Oct 24, 2019

Site Akita shoten https://www.akitashoten.co.jp/series/4123 Yun Kōga's Golden Age drawing. https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya - Golden Age (Novel)/01/(214).jpg

DrunkHC · Oct 25, 2019

Holy books they are the antagonists of Kurumada Suikoden, they are books that have body and soul, written by the Gods where the history of mortals from the beginning to the end of their lives is written. The Heroes through miracles distorted these stories against the original scriptures of the Gods. The Holy Books then took these heroes from different universes to the same dimension where the books try to restore the original wills (scriptures) of the Gods. The manga begins with the characters of the mangas (universes) being sent to another dimension.

Mitolog├¡a

La historia divina que construyó al mundo.

├ëpicas, Eternas y brillantes Epopeyas

Rodeadas de la luz dorada.

Cuyos reflejates colores.

Nunca se decoloraran bajo un juramento.

Historias que corren de forma c├¡clica.

SON LOS ESCRITOS DIVINOS DE LOS J├ôVENES QUE DESAFIARON LA PRISI├ôN DE LOS DIOSES

Translation:

Mythology

The divine story that built the world.

Epic, Eternal and Bright Epic

Surrounded by golden light.

Whose colors you reflect.

They will never discolor under an oath.

Stories that run cyclically.

THEY ARE THE DIVINE WRITINGS OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO CHALLENGED THE PRISON OF THE GODS

...Una m├ís

Una de las determinad pelos Dioses.

Una de las cronicas absolutas.

Otra mas.

Los manuscritos Divinos estaran sendo reescritos por alguem mas?

Inconcebible que se trate de algun humano.

Translation:

...One more

One of the determined Gods.

One of the absolute chronicles.

One more.

Will the Divine manuscripts be rewritten for some more?

Inconceivable that it is a human.

The characters are sent to another dimension

https://c5.ninemanga.com/es_manga/9/14857/363181/363181_6_282.jpg

https://c5.ninemanga.com/es_manga/9/14857/363181/363181_7_969.jpg

https://c5.ninemanga.com/es_manga/9/14857/363181/363181_8_739.jpg

"Ustedes tambem fueron traidos a esta dimension"

"You were also brought to this dimension"

https://c5.ninemanga.com/es_manga/9/14857/363181/363181_10_926.jpg

DrunkHC · Oct 25, 2019

Iliad one of the holy books

https://c5.ninemanga.com/es_manga/9/14857/363190/363190_16_741.jpg

https://c5.ninemanga.com/es_manga/9/14857/382516/382516_2_609.jpg

https://c5.ninemanga.com/es_manga/9/14857/382516/382516_3_157.jpg

https://c5.ninemanga.com/es_manga/9/14857/382516/382516_6_845.jpg

DrunkHC · Oct 25, 2019

Aioria Photon burns are described as having power equal to the Big Bang, Aioria is said to be the only golden saint to be able to kill a God.

Galaxian Encyclopedia:

Explos├úo de fótons

├ë a técnica mais poderosa de Aiolia. Ele leva um tempo para coloc├í-la em pr├ítica, mas tem o poder igual ao do Big Bang

Translation:

Photon Burst It is the most powerful technique of Aiolia. It takes a while to put it into practice, but it has the same power as the Big Bang

Photon Burst

├ë uma supernova. Para usar esta tecn├¡ca é necessario as etapas antes de executar a tecnica mais poderosa de Aiolia e n├úo pode ser executado se o cosmo n├úo estiver suficientemente elevado. Ele explode o cosmo no corpo do advers├írio com um poder igual ao do Big Bang. ├ë uma tecnica especial que n├úo da chance de escapatória, mas se ele é usado quando o cosmo n├úo é o suficientemente elevado se volta contra aquele que a usa.

Transalation:

It is a supernova. To use this technique you need the steps before performing the most powerful Aiolia technique and cannot be performed if the cosmos is not high enough. It explodes the cosmos into the opponent's body with power equal to that of the Big Bang. It is a special technique, not the chance of escape, but if it is used when the cosmos is not high enough, it turns against the one who uses it.

Dentre todos os cavaleiros, Aiolia é o ├║nico a possuir um cosmo que pode gerar rel├ómpagos, seu rel├ómpago é capaz de matar Deuses, e finalmente rompe o selo de Cronos.

Translation:

Of all the knights, Aiolia is the only one with a lightning cosmos, her lightning is capable of killing Gods, and finally breaks the seal of Kronos.

DrunkHC · Oct 27, 2019

Mr.Cinos15 · Oct 27, 2019

Are the Gold Saints God Cloths canon?

DrunkHC · Oct 27, 2019

It has already been explained that God cloths appear through the Ikhor (Athena blood) + Cosmo in their potent+miracle.https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/saint-seiya/106/8.jpg https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/saint-seiya-next-dimension/14/15.jpg https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/saint-seiya-next-dimension/14/16.jpg So it is not exclusive to the bronze saints although Seiya and the other Pegasus saints reach a higher power / miracle level than the others.

Although Shura broke this logic in Episode G Assassin, however Shura was an exception the Capricorn saint was being influenced by the power of the Underworld.https://www.akitashoten.co.jp/comics/4253235387/cover.gif https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/saint-seiya-episode-g-assassin/58/9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mZ2SGbt.jpg

According to Shura he turned into an Ashura so Shura is a case apart. https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/115/04.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asura

The golds (god cloths) first appeared in the anime (Soul of Gold) although the idea of the golden saints getting the god cloths first came about by Okada author of Episode G, he talked about on Twitter.

Already appeared aquarius, Aries, cancer and Gemini (Shou).

Both Okada and Sho (Chimaki Kuori) author are using the design created by Toei https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LQf9sOOK...8LQRRFUYVaIIakTimcFIjz8xgCLcBGAs/s1600/02.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9bGldDG.jpg

Okada already announce a new manga where probably Seiya being the Sagittarius saint is the protagonist is likely to appear the God cloths or the fusion version shown by Ikki (Leo + Fenix)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6a/4c/df/6a4cdfcd21979a30646efa8a0167f89d.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/99/c8/7b/99c87be6ad094f8dc3bb43d2ca2a7bd3.jpg

Mr.Cinos15 · Oct 27, 2019

That's very interesting, thanks for informing me.

DrunkHC · Oct 28, 2019

what is not canon are the omegas cloths and odin robe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU2f5RNfY-8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXjZ6F1u7Wo&lc=z23sjrva2rqxtnvm4acdp435nyhtrrumlcltnibgbmhw03c010c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti61uYdZwA0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlOpnZSC61k

Seiya in episode G Assassin dresses momentarilye Kusanagi no Tachinari and is blessed by Goddess Amaterasu.

https://pm1.narvii.com/7075/f0acf42d31a062510a33bb0cdd053526ca5d44c9r1-750-1028v2_hq.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/I2yzgYV_z9I/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.cavzodiaco.com.br/images19/gassassino108_1.jpg

https://img-host.filestatic1.xyz/images/saint-seiya-episode-g-assassin/107/09.jpg.webp

Seiya while using the Kusanagi (sword) has great cutting power with Shinken Hatsudô (cosmos cutting) technique and can cut through the absolute void of Zeus / Aioria Lightning Void technique remembering that this is the same technique used by Aiolos (last world) against Athena Exclamantion.

Zeus/Aioria>>>>>>Aioros

Seiya Kusunagi (cloth) has techniques for cosmos absorption and cosmos reflection. He can also combine his power with the opponent's reflexive cosmos and can create smaller-scale "Sun" to attack.

https://saintseiya.fandom.com/es/wiki/Shinken_Hatsudô

Nichirin Kakuyaku: Absorbs opponent's attack and reflects energy by combining his own in the form of a mini sun.https://saintseiya.fandom.com/es/wiki/Nichirin_Kakuyaku

Seiya has other energy reflection movements called: Zettai Fukashin and Kōrin

https://saintseiya.fandom.com/es/wiki/Zettai_Fukashi https://saintseiya.fandom.com/es/wiki/K%C5%8Dri

TheUnshakableOne · Oct 28, 2019

I disagree with Saint Seiya Omega being non-canon, but meh lol

DrunkHC · Oct 28, 2019

The concept of the omega cosmos has not been shown in any manga or encyclopedia or other canon material. This type of cosmos and cloth is unique to the anime, whereas omega canon is the canon of anime. Now in relation to manga the Gods responsible for controlling time and space are different in manga is Chronos and in anime is Saturn, the God responsible for creating the universe which Seiya lives in anime is Abzu already in manga second hypermito is Chronos , in the anime there is no Blue warriors and in the mangas there is no God Warriors in the anime there is the substitute of Shion the Arles a silver saint, in the manga Arles does not exist To many differences in relation to anime and manga even if considering the concept of multiverse Saturn contradicts the existence of Chronos

Mr.Cinos15 · Oct 28, 2019

So what is considered non-canon?

Diinou_HotHead · Oct 28, 2019

I don't think Omega is completely non-canon.

It's just canon to the anime. Like DB Toei thingy.

Mr.Cinos15 · Oct 28, 2019

Also since the Gold Saint's God Cloths are canon, shouldn't the Gold Saint's have a key for when they wear God Cloths?

Diinou_HotHead · Oct 28, 2019

We'll get to that later. (Taking quite a long time. We have the abilities to add first, then the AP rating)

TheUnshakableOne · Oct 28, 2019

Mr.Cinos15 said:
Also since the Gold Saint's God Cloths are canon, shouldn't the Gold Saint's have a key for when they wear God Cloths?

That will need to eventually be discussed in the future. But someone like Camu might have 2 keys because he gets God cloth in G/A as well. so does Mu.

Mr.Cinos15 · Oct 28, 2019

Alright I shall wait patiently ~~for a few days ovo~~.

Diinou_HotHead · Oct 28, 2019

Mr.Cinos15 said:
Alright I shall wait patiently ~~for a few days ovo~~.

Sadly, until we get to God Cloths, we have:

Hades Arc

Lost Canvas

Ep G

And each Revision takes like weeks, so...

Mr.Cinos15 · Oct 28, 2019

Damn...oh well, time to wait until 2021.

TheUnshakableOne · Oct 28, 2019

~~each revisions takes like 3 months to get done, and then like another 1 month to get things accepted~~

Though i rather do the completed series that are translated first like

Hades arc

Lost Canvas

Soul of Gold, and then Omega...

Episode G were still waiting on translations,, and for me to translate things myself would take a while..

Mr.Cinos15 · Oct 28, 2019

Well I shall await patiently, but if it's not to much to ask, what's the estimated amount of time until the Hades arc revisions? Sorry if I sound impatient, but it's just that it makes me happy to finally see the SS pages getting the love and respect they deserve.

Diinou_HotHead · Oct 28, 2019

There's Next Dimension too. Which has like 80% Translated into English.

TheUnshakableOne · Oct 28, 2019

I woudl love to do Chronos revisions but i feel depressed knowing that even then he won't make it into top 5 High 2-A because of those dayum smurfs ;~;

~~at least saturn would eventually be infinitely and infintiely more above baseling high 2-A~~

Diinou_HotHead · Oct 28, 2019

Well, we have this Wiki for cataloging character powers, not make them powerful. So we just have to stick to what we have.

But according to the Saint Seiya website, he needs an Abstract 1 on him. It says "only concepts can be felt" from him.

TheUnshakableOne · Oct 28, 2019

Diinou HotHead said:
Well, we have this Wiki for cataloging character powers, not make them powerful. So we just have to stick to what we have.
But according to the Saint Seiya website, he needs an Abstract 1 on him. It says "only concepts can be felt" from him.

I just like to have fun with vsdebates

Where does it state that at??

I already have a list of ideas for power he could qualify for

Diinou_HotHead · Oct 28, 2019

His profile in the Saint Seiya website.

DrunkHC · Oct 28, 2019

Saint Seiya anime could have separate profiles. Aioria anime for example considering Soul of Gold, classic anime and Sho anime, and Aioria manga considering Episode G, classic manga and Sho manga. Two different versions, Aioria anime at its peak has God cloth and Draupnir and Aioria manga at its strongest owns Keraunos and Hyperion power.

And who deserves a profile is Odysseu this golden does not have the greatest power of the verse, but in return has lots of HAXs and skills that make it almost invincible.

AerrowStorm1 · Oct 28, 2019

Shouldn't we also include Saint Seiya: Origin and Saint Seiya: Episode Zero for the manga timelines?

Diinou_HotHead · Oct 28, 2019

Oh. There's also those.

With SS Origin, we kinda have feats for Ker.

And with ep 0, we have Deadguy's stamina feat and Shadow Arrow.

I think we can put these with the Hades Revision.

TheUnshakableOne · Oct 28, 2019

Is orgins and 0 gully translated??

Diinou_HotHead · Oct 28, 2019

They once were. On **********

But I recall Mangarock was taken down, so...

Diinou_HotHead · Oct 28, 2019

I do have both volumes of SS Origin in Spanish saved in my phone though.

TheUnshakableOne · Oct 28, 2019

Mangariock was also not screenshot friendly lol. They had some weird program that prevented screenshots, and downloading pages

DrunkHC · Oct 28, 2019

Events start the of Origin is before that of Episode G Gaiden Aioros, Saga and Kanon had just born but manga begins in the arc twelve temples Seiya VS Saga fight finale and the last part of Origen arc Poseidon. Kurumada has announced a new manga that will appear to be on the arc Poseidon, this will be a seemingly short story. https://www.cavzodiaco.com.br/images19/minisserie_new_1.jpg

In the 0 most of the golden saints were novices.

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya - Episode Zero/01/05.png

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya - Episode Zero/01/13.png

Only Aioros and Saga were saints with well developed power and Shion was weakened due to old age. Saga Hype to be the strongest but in that context I don't think these statements are relevant, Aioros proved faster than Saga so Gemini's statements being better than Sagittarius in all respects doesn't match the facts.

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya - Episode Zero/01/16.png

In classic Saga while possessed only declares itself smarter not more powerful than Aioros. There is an interview where Shion answers questions in this interview, Shion states that he was only killed by Saga due to old age if Shion was younger Saga would not have killed him.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.196650000458923.1073741872.184729154984341&type=3

Saga hype are quite exaggerated their ancestor Gemini Cain who is a golden overpower.

Cain >>>>> Saga

Shio: Se eu fosse um pouco mais jovem, jamais teria perdido para Saga.

Shio: If I were a little younger, I would never have lost to Saga.

Aries Shion Canon Declara├º├úo mais jovem n├úo teria morrido contra o Saga 2

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