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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread 3 - The Continuation

The universe is made up of six elements: earth, water, fire, air, darkness and light.

In addition there is also the chaos that would be the primordial void. Zeus / Aioria using cosmos / Chaos through their technique: Lightning Void https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_(cosmogony)

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/105/11.jpg

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/105/12-13.jpg

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/105/14-15.jpg

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/105/16-17.jpg

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/105/18-19.jpg

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/106/01.jpg

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/106/02.jpg

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/106/03.jpg

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/106/06-07.jpg

https://unionleitor.top/leitor/mangas/Saint Seiya Episode G: Assassin/106/08-09.jpg
 
Siegfried was able to survive a Big Bang attack level((was already badly injured) and nearly killed Sorento while in cosmos reduced to 1% by Dead End Symphony when Siegfried was extremely injured.

Sorento: "O corpo do Siegfried está envolvido por uma poderosa cosmo energia! minha mão não sai https://i.imgur.com/vVT69LK.png https://i.imgur.com/aVoCK5c.png https://i.imgur.com/dvW9Dmr.png

Sorento: Siegfried's body is surrounded by a powerful energy cosmos! my hand doesn't come out. (cosmos reduced to 1%)


Sorento states that Siegfried's cosmos was very powerful despite the god warrior's power being reduced to 1%, Sorento is unable to jump from Siegfried's grip!

Seiya+Shun+Hyoga+Athena+Ikki+Shiryu cosmos https://imgur.com/xcejNRb https://imgur.com/kxcEIPz https://imgur.com/KM5KyIQ https://imgur.com/IGHEIJc https://imgur.com/q9FuV7r https://imgur.com/yrIkyu6

Shiryu: Seiya causou um Big bang! Seiya caused a big bang!

https://imgur.com/Y4o8VkW https://imgur.com/owVCV2d https://imgur.com/c6Mo3xX


Sorento: Dead End Syphony:

http://www.saintseiyapedia.com/ssp_media/images/9/90/Dead_End_Symphony_tech_03.jpg

https://imgur.com/5RKre4w https://imgur.com/MvFV6Q

Sinfonia final da morte=Dead End Symphony

Siegfried reacted to Gemini Saga's Galaxian Explosion (eighth sense) Siegfried(soul) and God robe Dubhe's was in Dubhe star which is 123 light years away from Earth.

Siegfried (soul) annulled Galaxian Explosio

http://www.astronomytrek.com/star-facts-dubhe/

https://gfycat.com/admirablesmartiberiannase

https://gfycat.com/rewardingenchantedarcticfox

Siegfried speed combat https://gfycat.com/bouncydistantcassowary

(Ikki had fought Benetsnatch Mime a God Warrior with confirmed speed FTL + in the anime)

Siegfried>>>>Mime

speed combat Saga https://gfycat.com/secondhanduncomfortablehuia

https://gfycat.com/excellentembellishedaddax

https://gfycat.com/potabledevotedbantamrooster

https://gfycat.com/temptingesteemedghostshrimp

Saga VS Camus, Sigmund and Surt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz4dpv0EwmY

Camus feat https://gfycat.com/clevermistyandeancondor
 
Hraesvelgr Balder God warrior profile (official)

http://saintseiya-gold.com/character.html#modal01

https://www.cavzodiaco.com.br/notic...-asgard-alem-dos-perfil-do-andreas-e-da-lyfia

Um dos sete Guerreiros Deuses e o guardi├úo de Alfheim, a C├ómara da Luz. Também conhecido como o "homem imortal", ele é alguém cujo real poder est├í em um n├¡vel distintivamente acima dos demais Guerreiros Deuses. O motivo pelo qual ele é chamado de "homem imortal" permanece um mistério. Na mitologia nórdica, Hraesvelgr é o nome de um gigante que assume a forma de ├íguia. Utiliza a "Tyrhung", espada do triunfo e da ru├¡na, e seus ataques s├úo capazes de enviar o oponente para uma outra dimens├úo.

Translation:

One of the seven God Warriors and Alfheim's Guardian, the Chamber of Light. Also known as the "immortal man," he is one whose real power is at a distinctly higher level than the other God Warriors. Why he is called an "immortal man" remains a mystery. In Norse mythology, Hraesvelgr is the name of a giant that takes the form of an eagle. It uses the "Tyrhung" sword of triumph and ruin, and its attacks are able to send the opponent to another dimension.

Yr rune: The rune, Yr, in Balder's left hand, represents the power of God in his body. By making use of the rune, Balder creates and moves his adversary to a new dimension.

Balder was able to leave Shaka's Riku Dō Rin Ne, Balder can summon Valkirias within dimension (Yr), they are able to destroy the spirits invoked by Shaka through his technique: Tenkühaja Chimimōryō.

https://gfycat.com/mintygravebluebreastedkookaburra

https://gfycat.com/portlynauticalarrowana

Balder within dimension can transform into a giant.

https://gfycat.com/bleakgravecoqui

The (limited) power of God Loki can manifest in the form of a Cosmos Giant through the sapphire of Balder's God robe.

https://gfycat.com/unluckypassionatechihuahua

Ansuz: The rune, Anzus, in Balder's right hand, represents the power of God in his body. By making use of the rune, Balder releases a discharge of Cosmos of great destructive power. Also, you can concentrate the power of this rune on your Tyrfing sword to release a powerful discharge of Cosmos from the blade of your sword.

Ansuz + Tyrfing destroyed Shaka's Khan (defense)

https://gfycat.com/tastyunsteadyarabianwildcat

Shaka(Khan) VS Saga, Shura and Camus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdy1Goq0lIQ

Loki made Balder immune to pain, only after being defeated by Tenbu Horin (god temporary cloth) did Balder again feel pain.
 
Among the specter Valentine secret techniques at Taizen is the attack: Sweet Chocolate https://i.imgur.com/allfAdg.jpg

However this technique only appeared in Lost canvas https://i.imgur.com/SWYZfAs.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mg1Pgk9.jpg

Kiew specter who was killed by the triad and showed nothing at Taizen one of his sitting techniques is: Death messenger https://i.imgur.com/ejtxnyL.jpg, was shown on Lost canvas as well.

https://i.imgur.com/MZlCWW6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/oMndiiX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UpoW4mT.jpg

Minos is said to be a psychic the judge does not need to use his fists to fight.https://i.imgur.com/0cUQel3.jpg Tiene habilidades psiquicas que permiten que luche sin usar sus pu├▒os https://imgur.com/a/3hBcKXd

He has psychic abilities that allow him to fight without using his fists

Minos probably uses combining telekinesis with his Cosmic marionettion technique. His psychic powers are certainly superior to those of the specter Rock who is able to hurl huge rocks with his telekinesis. https://i.imgur.com/Ji6e95X.jpg Lanza enormes piedras con su poder mental!

Throw huge stones with your mental power!

Rock feat: https://i.imgur.com/TuHghU2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/OsIUACj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/FuuJJLS.jpg

Minos can take powerscalle even with the specter Myu.
 
Artbook: Saint Seiya Tenkai-hen Josô - Overture

https://www.cavzodiaco.com.br/produ...artbooks/saint-seiya-tenkai-hen-joso-overture

https://recintogoldsaints.forumfree.it/?t=5751374

It was released and sold only within the Japanese movie theaters that the movie(Tenkai-hen josô) was being shown.

This material is very rare!

According to this book the Angels (Tenkai-hen Josô) Theseus and Odysseus are neither gods nor humans, but an intermediate race.

The book provides information on previous movies.

According i read the four fallen angels who served Lucifer: Beelzebub, Astaroth, Eligor, and Mois would be gods that comes from the same sky as Zeus(Lucifer too) https://www.cavzodiaco.com.br/raros/tenkai/tenkai046.jpg

This information would be in this Artbook, although this material never received a translation so I'm not sure...

Astaroth when defeated by Shiryu disappears https://gfycat.com/agonizingpointedasp

it happens to all four fallen angels.

The four fallen angels can ignore the rules imposed by Athena's cosmos in the twelve temples.

https://gfycat.com/unsteadygraybanteng
 
Corona Cloth, Corona Saints protections generate heat equivalent to the sun according to Belenike (Corona Saint)

Corona cloth/Belenike feat https://gfycat.com/impracticalmedicalbrocketdeer

Hyoga completely freezes Corona cloth / Belenike https://gfycat.com/forthrightglitteringkakapo

Hyoga cold air colder than absolute zero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7RYpwB0lMs

Can freeze energy https://imgur.com/kGDvmAE https://imgur.com/ouEMBvl https://imgur.com/KSfj0PD

feat https://imgur.com/a/Gos1UYJ


In the fight against Tokisada Hyoga surpassed HAX / time with its cold air! (Chapter 80 Omega) https://www.crunchyroll.com/pt-br/s...gas-powers-of-absolute-zero-646543?ssid=96181
 
Golden Age: Hyoga Creating Cold Air.

Acendia seu cosmo para impulsionar seu ar frio. Contrariando as leis f├¡sicas, deveria arder para congelar, Hyoga viajava dentro de sua consci├¬ncia. Para congelar dentro de si mesmo, sua alma ardia. Essa n├úo era uma express├úo metafórica: os escombros debaixo dos pés de Hyoga realmente come├ºaram a se cobrir de gelo branco. Rapidamente poderia congelar a humidade, como a da respira├º├úo. Hyoga respirava completamente normal, respirava o ar frio que produzia. Lan├ºava seu corpo ao mundo do gelo profundo enquanto observava o homem.


It lit his cosmos to propel his cold air. Contrary to physical laws, supposed to burn to freeze, Hyoga traveled within her consciousness. To freeze inside himself, his soul burned. This was not a metaphorical expression: the rubble under Hyoga's feet really began to fill with white ice. It could quickly freeze moisture, like breathing. Hyoga breathed completely normal, breathed in the cold air it produced. He launched his body into the world of deep ice as he watched the man.

https://imgur.com/a/ktNZBCl
 
Gigantomachia:

-Queime, cosmo! - Seiya se posiciona para o combate, liberando uma espécie de Big Bang. Quando o cosmo é elevado ao m├íximo, no despertar do Sétimo Sentido, ele emana uma for├ºa milagrosa, compar├ível apenas ├á energia primordial do universo.

- Burn, cosmos! - Seiya positions himself for combat, releasing a species of Big Bang. When the cosmos is lifted to its maximum in the awakening of the Seventh Sense, it emanates a miraculous force, comparable only to the primordial energy of the universe. https://imgur.com/a/EUGZBEW
 
DrunkHC said:
Gigantomachia:
-Queime, cosmo! - Seiya se posiciona para o combate, liberando uma espécie de Big Bang. Quando o cosmo é elevado ao m├íximo, no despertar do Sétimo Sentido, ele emana uma for├ºa milagrosa, compar├ível apenas ├á energia primordial do universo.

- Burn, cosmos! - Seiya positions himself for combat, releasing a species of Big Bang. When the cosmos is lifted to its maximum in the awakening of the Seventh Sense, it emanates a miraculous force, comparable only to the primordial energy of the universe. https://imgur.com/a/EUGZBEW
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This. is. Fantastic!!!!
 
DrunkHC said:
Among the specter Valentine secret techniques at Taizen is the attack: Sweet Chocolate https://i.imgur.com/allfAdg.jpg

However this technique only appeared in Lost canvas https://i.imgur.com/SWYZfAs.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mg1Pgk9.jpg

Kiew specter who was killed by the triad and showed nothing at Taizen one of his sitting techniques is: Death messenger https://i.imgur.com/ejtxnyL.jpg, was shown on Lost canvas as well.

https://i.imgur.com/MZlCWW6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/oMndiiX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UpoW4mT.jpg

Minos is said to be a psychic the judge does not need to use his fists to fight.https://i.imgur.com/0cUQel3.jpg Tiene habilidades psiquicas que permiten que luche sin usar sus pu├▒os https://imgur.com/a/3hBcKXd

He has psychic abilities that allow him to fight without using his fists

Minos probably uses combining telekinesis with his Cosmic marionettion technique. His psychic powers are certainly superior to those of the specter Rock who is able to hurl huge rocks with his telekinesis. https://i.imgur.com/Ji6e95X.jpg Lanza enormes piedras con su poder mental!

Throw huge stones with your mental power!

Rock feat: https://i.imgur.com/TuHghU2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/OsIUACj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/FuuJJLS.jpg

Minos can take powerscalle even with the specter Myu.
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I can't understand how Taizen has assigned strength values to characters in their statistics.

For example Minos: in the vignette it is stated that he uses his psychic powers to fight without using his fists despite his blows are able to shatter Hyoga's barrier (Freezing Coffin variant) ;

But then it gives in the value of the punch (1): 4 of 5

The same as Deathmask(4) and less than Aldebaran(5), Aiolia(5) and Saga(5).

Then or those four golds are able to break up a freezing coffin or there is something wrong with the statistics
 
Leonida85 said:
I can't understand how Taizen has assigned strength values to characters in their statistics.

For example Minos: in the vignette it is stated that he uses his psychic powers to fight without using his fists despite his blows are able to shatter Hyoga's barrier (Freezing Coffin variant) ;

But then it gives in the value of the punch (1): 4 of 5

The same as Deathmask(4) and less than Aldebaran(5), Aiolia(5) and Saga(5).

Then or those four golds are able to break up a freezing coffin or there is something wrong with the statistics
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The Taizen box describes the ability not the power or strength of the characters.

Aiolia (rookie) broke the Freezing Coffin in Episode G with a Bolt.

The strength of Minos is not impressive for a powerful Gold Saint. The description of the technique is exaggerated or is a legend in the Sanctuary, because Minos (probably the weakest of the Kyotos in terms of destructive power) destroys the Ice Wall with a single blow.

DrunkHC said:
Ryuho son of Shiryu(anime) only awakens the seventh sense at the end of the fight against Paradox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TlnSPQKqkk

This feat from Ryuho occurred before he awakened the seventh sense.

https://imgur.com/a/oaFtmjr

https://gfycat.com/legitimateclosedgnatcatcher

http://www.saintseiyapedia.com/wiki/Crossroad_Mirage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp1ojZEojJk
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This is fantastic. A Bronze Saint stronger than a Silver but without reaching the seventh sense is multi-planet level or multi-solar system level.
 
Taizen numbers refer ability, a character can have 2 punch and is still punching a still object like a wall with a lot of force, after all you don't have to have a high level fist martial ability to hit a stationary object.

The three judges have the same level of power (cosmos) and same level of protection (armor).

It does not mean that all three have the same physical abilities (strength, agility, stamina, mental powers).

-Radamanthys: Possesses the strongest fist strike, great combat power, most likely the greatest stamina and durability is a tank, but has no Hax or a complex technique.

-Aiacos: Lethal technique being practically K.O, Hax and greater physical agility but probably the least resistant.

-Minos: Greater mental powers, do not have the raw power of Radamanthys or Aiacos's hax and agility but have an almost unbeatable containment technique probably have the second highest physical strength between the three and a great stamina.

I consider Minos the most balanced.

Taizen is 100% canon!

Crateris' cloth for example, shown in ND was first shown on Taizen, Kurumada did not have time to explore all the concepts and ideas elaborated by him in the original manga due to the deadline given by the publisher obliging him to finish the work. Many of the ideas and concepts shown in Taizen were not explored by Kurumada but by other mangakas such as Okada (Ep.G) or Shiori (Lost canvas).
 
This answer is reasonable,


so we can consider the Taizen as a source of information on the characters and techniques, but not for the "power" levels, for these it is better to stick to the original manga.
 
Leonida85 said:
This answer is reasonable,

so we can consider the Taizen as a source of information on the characters and techniques, but not for the "power" levels, for these it is better to stick to the original manga.
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No. Who mentioned that?

The Taizen is a source of information for techniques, skills and power levels of the characters.

Taizen numbers only indicate the skill level (using fist, kick, psychokinesis, etc.) of a character. But the Taizen also has descriptions about the strength or cosmos of some characters. Shaka is described as the Gold Saint with the most powerful cosmos (this information can determine the power levels of a character).
 
No. Who mentioned that?

The Taizen is a source of information for techniques, skills and power levels of the characters.

Taizen numbers only indicate the skill level (using fist, kick, psychokinesis, etc.) of a character. But the Taizen also has descriptions about the strength or cosmos of some characters. Shaka is described as the Gold Saint with the most powerful cosmos (this information can determine the power levels of a character).

Wasn't Shion the most powerful?
 
Technically Shaka is the most powerful during most of the Original Series.

Shion and Dohko's youth were revealed in Hades Arc. Quite late into the series. So it's probably that Kurumada hasn't thought of it yet.
 
Having read the manga, until the appearance of Shion, the strongest was always Saga, after all the Gemini atomized Ikki, which Shaka does not do. This is the impression that emerges from the original
 
Leonida85 said:
Having read the manga, until the appearance of Shion, the strongest was always Saga, after all the Gemini atomized Ikki, which Shaka does not do. This is the impression that emerges from the original
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Shaka killed Ikki with Rikudo Rinne and almost destroyed his body and soul with Tenbu Horin + Rikudo Rinne, and Ikki's kamikaze attack cannot damage Shaka's body or armor. He even knocks down Seiya, Shun and Shiryu with Tenma Kofuku.

Leonida85 said:
Wasn't Shion the most powerful?
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In cosmos it is more powerful. And Shaka has complete mastery of the Eighth Sense in the Hades Arc. Athena also indicates that Shaka can damage Shun / Hades' body with his attacks (even if he cannot destroy the soul of the god is an impressive feat).
 
It's established in almost every continuity that Geminis are the strongest in Attack Potency. Lost Canvas and Next Dimension has those kind of statements in them when talking about Geminis.

But the Virgos, they're not so focused on destruction. They focus on something like messing their opponents mentally&spiritually. Shaka even has the 8th sense unlocked before anybody does.

So it's kinda like, Geminis focus on raw power, Virgos focus on spiritual stuffs (which happened to be where Cosmo stems from)
 
Gemini Saga is the only one to defeat Ikki. In fact, the phoenix took more than a month to resurrect , directly in the middle of Poseidon arc, and the other saints definitely gave it up. This does not happen with Virgo

Facts >>>>>>> statements and hype
 
Leonida85 said:
Gemini Saga is the only one to defeat Ikki.
In fact, the phoenix took more than a month to resurrect , directly in the middle of Poseidon arc, and the other saints definitely gave it up. This does not happen with Virgo

Facts >>>>>>> statements and hype
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Ikki can never defeat Shaka, who can return after Ikki was destroyed with his suicide attack. And Shaka doesn't use his maximum power against Ikki, because he didn't use Angyo or Tenbu Horin + Tenma Kofuku, the most powerful techniques of Virgo Saint.

We do not know the moment when Ikki is resurrected and the main problem was to return from the attack, because the Galaxian Explosion can throw the adversary to the ends of the universe. Ikki cannot return after traveling to the ends of the universe, he needs help from Shaka and Mu to return after the explosion of his suicide attack.
 
In the same way Ikki can't defeat Saga

The only one that put Ikki down for good was Gemini Saga

Feats >>> statements and hype
 
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