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more derailing. Go discuss that elsewhere.
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Sailor Moon! Tier One! The Ultimate Panacea!
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I agree with just 2-B really
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this thread is for a CRT, if you want to discuss making a new rule, go do it elsewhere. This isn’t a general discussion.
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Tier 1 Sailor Moon Discussion Rule?
https://vsbattles.com/threads/sailor-moon-tier-1-corridor-of-spacetime-door.157353/ https://vsbattles.com/threads/sailor-moon-tier-1-upgrade.151132/ https://vsbattles.com/threads/sailor-moon-tier-1-upgrade-reformatted.151188/ And now...
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I will say it is not so much the verse supporters but really Iamunanimousinthat, so he should be the one banned from making sailo moon threads and not the entire verse supporters
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Well, I agree 2-B and possibly 2-A (that seems pretty solid)
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I am the only verse supporter that is active!
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Then it makes no difference between dealing with individual's behaviour and a discussion rule.
Thanks for conceding!
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I just want to point out that this is incredibly ironic.Tier 1 Sailor Moon Discussion Rule?
https://vsbattles.com/threads/sailor-moon-tier-1-corridor-of-spacetime-door.157353/ https://vsbattles.com/threads/sailor-moon-tier-1-upgrade.151132/ https://vsbattles.com/threads/sailor-moon-tier-1-upgrade-reformatted.151188/ And now...vsbattles.com
The initial conversation about adding a discussion rule to tier 1 Sailor Moon threads was only referring to after and if this thread was rejected, then there can be conversations about a discussion rule being added. But because of OP's insistence that even mentioning or politely informing the possibility of a discussion rule being added in the future was "derailing" and "should be taken to another thread," now a discussion rule thread about tier 1 Sailor Moon has actually been made before this own thread's own conclusion.
You get what you ask for is the moral of this story I guess.
Anyways....
This question makes no sense and doesn't address any of the counters I brought up to your OP in my initial comment.
Again, dimensionality is not a game of addition. If you destroyed 2 universes then you destroyed 2 4D space-time continuums.
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Dimensions are literally an addition game.
If a cosmology can hold 4D space, then it posseses 4 directions of space. If it can simultaneously hold 3D space plus 1D time, then it possesses a time direction. The 3D space is already included in the 4D axes.
This amounts to 5D, 4 spatial axes plus 1 time axis.
Unless you are going claim time doesn’t exist at all in the Sailor Moon cosmology.
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Where are you getting a 4th spatial axis?
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Can you please explain your logic?
1. The world universe is not used. The words, world and realm are used in the translation. These words can mean more than just a universe.
2. The in-house translation, done by our translation helper, gives three synonyms:
[Going beyond dimensions/Super-dimensional/hyperdimensional space]
What you described seems to be either a parallel universe or a aspatial zone. If my assessment is correct, can you explain why you believe the three synonyms match these two choices?
If my assessment is wrong and you don’t think this space is a a parallel universe or an a-spatial zone, can you state what do you believe the space is?
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No it’s literally not, otherwise destroying “2 universes one with 4 spatial axes, and the other has 3 spatial axes and 1 temporal axes” is equivalent to destroying an 8-D construct because 8 axes’ were destroyed. That’s literally not how dimensions work.
There is no additional time axis in the “hyperdimension” you’re referring to because it’s “beyond time” in the very quote you gave. So you’re talking again about a 4-D space at best, the argument deconstructs itself.
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Yes. You've already mentioned that the space is 4D. Now the cosmology has universes with time. How many dimensions does the cosmology has if it has universe with 4D spaces (and no time like you're claiming) and universes with 3d space and 1D time? Just answer the question.
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You know, sometimes you just got to give up and try a different path.
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It would have 2, 4 dimensional constructs. I already gave an answer to this question.
In other words, the cosmology would be 2-C.
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Stop dodging the question. I didn't ask you how many dimensional constructs it would have. I asked how many dimensional axes it would have, including both space and time.
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it don't matter, it's a range feat. that's all tier 2 is: low 2-C AP with a certain amount of range to affect different space-times
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If it doesn't matter then answer the question? How many axes are in the range of the entire cosmology? Both time and space?
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Brother, it is still 4. The temporal dimension only contains snapshots of the 3 dimensional space. It doesn't account for the space which you claim has 4 spatial dimensions. The scan you provided states:
time is only exclusive to the 3 dimensional realm, it is your burden to prove that time flows in the world outside space & time. As Maitreya already said, destruction of such cosmology will just be 2-C.
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Again. more dodging the question. Why do you all refuse to answer the simple question? It's not hard to say, "yes the cosmology has 5 axes but...."
Let me put this argument to rest.
1. If you're claiming that because the world is beyond time and space, it doesn't have time, then it also doesn't have space. You cannot use this argument to claim it only has 4 spatial axes and zero time axes. That's contradictory.
2. If you're going to now claim the world is aspatial and timeless, please see where it says that they are moving through dimensional world. This means the space they are moving through is dimensioned, so it can't be aspatial.
3. If you're going to now claim that the world is just 3 dimensional, please see where it says, "going to a world beyond this three-dimensional realm" and "A world beyond time and space that does not exist in this three-dimensional world". This world cannot be both beyond the three dimensional realm/world and also be three-dimensional as well. X cannot be both beyond Y and equal Y.
4. In order to move to this world, Sailor Mercury used Time-Axis calculations. Means, that she needs the time-axis to reach this world. It cannot be timeless.
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Four axes’
The cosmology only has 4 axes’ for each universe, therefore it only has 4 accesses in the range of the cosmology. A fifth axes is beyond its range because it only contains verses with 4 dimensional axes’.
No matter the number of universes with 4 dimensional axes’ to it, the cosmology will remain limited to 4 dimensional axes’ in its range.
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How can 4 spatial axes and one temporal axes equal 4 axes? 4+1 doesn't equal 4.
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because there isn't one
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Because there is no 4+1.
There is only 4 spatial dimensions (at best)
Or 3 spatial and 1 temporal axis.
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See here:
4. In order to move to this world, Sailor Mercury used Time-Axis calculations. Means, that she needs the time-axis to reach this world. It cannot be timeless.
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How do you know she didn’t use the time-axis calculations in order to go beyond time itself? So yes actually it can since she could just be using those calculations in order to go beyond time in the first place.
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1. If you're claiming that because the world is beyond time and space, it doesn't have time, then it also doesn't have space. You cannot use this argument to claim it only has 4 spatial axes and zero time axes. That's contradictory.
Are you claiming Sailor Mercury went to a world without space?
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That’s why I kept saying “at best 4-D” because this space can be anything.
She could’ve went to a world without whatever, it doesn’t matter I’m not positing the claim, you are. You are positing the claim that an additional dimensional axes was created with this super dimension or whatever while keeping the previous axes’ of the regular universe despite you’re quite clearly stating they’re going “beyond this three dimensional realm” and “beyond time.”
She could’ve went to a space, not with an additional axes, but to an area outside or beyond the 4-D space-time continuum. So yeah, she could’ve went to a place beyond the space time continuum, you have yet to prove she went to a space with an additional dimensional axes.
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You made the claim that going beyond time, means the going to a place with no time. I pointed out the contradiction in your argument that it would also mean going to place with no space, since it says beyond time and space.
You cannot simultaneously say it's 4D at best and also claim there is no time axis. That's contradictory.
Hyper dimension is described as
Definition of HYPERDIMENSIONAL
of or relating to space of more than three dimensions… See the full definition
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: of or relating to space of more than three dimensions
hyperdimensional - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
Of or pertaining to a system having more dimensions than naturally observed in our universe.
The entire passage makes a whole point in explicitly describing dimensions. If it was just going to another universe, why include dimensions in its context and specifically say beyond 3 dimenisonal world?
This extremely obtuse and bad faith.
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That's enough with the insults.
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Pls don't put words in my mouth. You are the one arguing the world they travelled to, has more than 3 dimensional axes. This is what i wrote:
I neither showed support nor agreed with it, that's why i bolded the word, "claim" it is pretty self evident. Throughout this thread, my stance has been: disagree for tier 1 & higher spatial dimensions in the cosmology. And i have receipts to back what i am saying
I have only shown strong support for the 2-B rating because I thought your "world in mirror" argument was solid.
also here.
"beyond this three-dimensional realm" this would have meaning if we knew the nature of the world. Is it stated/shown to be qualitatively superior to the three dimensional realm? from the looks of it, it is just an alternate world.
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Yeah, I think I’m about done with this discussion. All imma say is “Hyperdimension” is treated in the same vein as “higher dimension” on the wiki in that the term doesn’t equate to having an additional dimensional axis.
Staff can decide their vote instead of me continuing to argue till ad nauseam.
Staff can decide their vote instead of me continuing to argue till ad nauseam.
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I wouldn't consider that an insult tbh. The OP didn't directly target Maitreya.
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We do know the nature of the world. It's hyperdimenisonal, which means more than 3 spaces.
It's reached by traveling through dimensional space.
It's outside the realm of the 3 dimensional space.
Time flows, because events happen, and cause and effect are in place
There are no statements that this realm is timeless
Being beyond time doesn't mean it's timeless, it can just simply mean it's beyond the time of the universe and can have it's own time.
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How is it not again it is on the faq it self. Unless u somehow revise that. Literally says there that each time u add there will be an extra axis
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I didn't mean those to be insults, but I'll refrain from making general statements of frustration.
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I should also mention that time exists in layers in Sailor Moon. If you go beyond time of the universe, you'd just be going to the next layer.
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