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Saber Musashi vs Yhwach

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Musashi: *has the ability to make sure no attacks reach her which makes her basically invincible*

Also Musashi: *Never ******* uses it*

Musashi post Zero: *Has passive, always active invulnerability*

Also Musashi post Zero: *Only ever ******* fights people who have the means to ignore it*
 
Just wait for Olympus and we will see how powerful Musashi is, but since Doctor. G has already said he cant see her in any point of time after this means probably she Will die in Olympus, and with that we can see what kind of ability Nothingness is and how it interacts with other ability.
 
Oh my God.


I mean, I can understand the frustration...


She fought Ivan the Terrible in the Lostbelt, didn't she? Her invul allowed her to not be affected by his Anti-Fortress spam and cut it open to reveal his true body. Like, the 'I was never in danger' kind. Although she used up all her remaining magical energy for her NP.
 
GLHF22 said:
Just wait for Olympus and we will see how powerful Musashi is, but since Doctor. G has already said he cant see her in any point of time after this means probably she Will die in Olympus, and with that we can see what kind of ability Nothingness is and how it interacts with other ability.
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Olympus?? Lostbelt 5?? Musashi is in lostbelt 5??!
 
I mean, it makes sense she doesn't use it.

Jer very skills mention how she has no issue letting her swords do what they want and going with the flow, except in the rare moments were she actually wants to try or gets serious for whatever nondescript reason she has.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
She did? I'm pretty sure that was pre-zero Musashi. If she did use it, that was at least something
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Nah, it's 2.1. Post-Zero.

Musashi is already a Heroic Spirit. It was her passive at that point.
 
A few people on here would disagree with you on that, quite passionately in fact. I'm not knowledgeable enough on LB 1 to argue in their place tho
 
I don't think anyone even voted yet my dude. Correct me if wrong. But that said everyone seems to be inagreement to wait for Lostbelt Olympus for any Musashi clarifications?
 
Ciruno Fortes said:
I don't think anyone even voted yet my dude. Correct me if wrong. But that said everyone seems to be inagreement to wait for Lostbelt Olympus for any Musashi clarifications?
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^
 
Isn't Musashi a smurf? Yhwach can't do shit to 2-A stuff.

She is also type 4 Accausal? Yhwach gets curbstomped.

Omega stomp.

Type 4 Acausality alone makes this a stomp. Almighty doesn't work on Acausals.
 
My dude, he can't do that against a type 4 Acausal. Him making himself survive is basically him just fatehaxing himself. He can't do it against a type 4 acausal who interact with reality on a different level that also has 2-A hax afaik.

Almighty is completely useless here. Type 4 Acausality completely messes it up. He can't use his defensive fatehax against type 4 Acausal as Almighty doesn't work on them.
 
Yes.

Even if it's defensive, his fatehax won't work if a type 4 Acausal is involved. If he is killed by her his fatehax isn't changing that since type 4 Acausals work on a different system of cause and affect making his precog/fatehax unable to change what she has done
 
I don't really see what about Musashi's modified causality system would prevent Yhwach from fate haxing himself. We know what kind of odd system hers works on, so it should be just fine. We shouldn't be painting type 4 acausals all with one brush
 
It will prevent because Type 4 Acausals interact with reality with a different system of cause and effect. That difference is the reason why they are resistant to some forms of precog/hax. there are types of fatehax that can work against them but Yhwach's isn't one of them.

So just by virtue of being a type 4 Acausal she stomps
 
ExSENNA said:
It will prevent because Type 4 Acausals interact with reality with a different system of cause and effect. That difference is the reason why they are resistant to some forms of precog/hax. there are types of fatehax that can work against them but Yhwach's isn't one of them.
So just by virtue of being a type 4 Acausal she stomps
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Yes, I know. Musashi's modified system of cause and effect is due to her coming from a culled world. Her modified system won't prevent him from Fax haxing himself
 
It will.

Fatehax, even while defensive, needs to affect the opponent as she is the one who will kill him.

Yhwach can't fatehax "himself" when he is killed by an opponent he can't interact, hell, can't even see in the future due to type 4 Acausality.
 
Did people even read the thread? Yhwach has something specific that Musashi cannot counter with her fate hax. She can prevent all other futures other than the one she wants, and she can even create brand new possibilities while eliminating all other. However, Yhwach has the ability to modify set futures. If Musashi tries to eliminate all futures to the one where she dives Yhwach, then Yhwach can change that specific future into one where he survives. This will save him, so it really just means that she is going to need to kill him without using her mystic eyes
 
I might have missed asI skimmed through the stuff above but how does she kill him? And what genius thought to put Yhwach against someone he can't affect?
 
ExSENNA said:
It will.
Fatehax, even while defensive, needs to affect the opponent as she is the one who will kill him.

Yhwach can't fatehax "himself" when he is killed by an opponent he can't interact, hell, can't even see in the future due to type 4 Acausality.
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Please explain how, and be specific. Not all type 4 systems work the same.

No, not really, since it is essentially pre-emptive resurrection.

Why would her type 4 system prevent her from being interacted with by The Almighty? And don't give me some generic answer, I want to you explain how her coming from a culled World, prevents her from having her future effected
 
That would be the case if she wasn't Acausal. Her being Acausal simply ruins Almighty completely. It doesn't work when Acausals involved.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
I might have missed asI skimmed through the stuff above but how does she kill him? And what genius thought to put Yhwach against someone he can't affect?
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He can effect her, tho. If she gets a clean hit with her Muramasa blade then it should take him out permanently, but she is gonna need to do it without relying on her mystic eyes
 
ExSENNA said:
That would be the case if she wasn't Acausal. Her being Acausal simply ruins Almighty completely. It doesn't work when Acausals involved.
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Not. All. Acausality. Works. The. Same.

Please explain why her specific form of acausality would prevent his fate hax from working? And be specific
 
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