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Saber Alter Vs Ghost Rider.

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Monarch Laciel said:
@Gar The stakes that make the audience actually think "oh no, maybe there is some actual threat here and ghost rider is in danger" rather than "why does this fight even matter if he has a 3-A guy reviving him seconds after he dies"
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Because the audience wants a guy who kills mostly innocent people dead....? You know Ghost Rider, contrary to the horrendous movies, is basically a villian right? One that frequently tries to kill he Hero's? Hell one of his feats on his page is stomping the Avengers.
 
Dude, Yahweh isn't 1-A or higher-dimensional, it isn't unfair, it is an ability of Ghost Rider.

I guess we should never have an SMT Match because those characters are literally as unkillable as you can't get without being literally unkillable.

Try getting an 8-C that can defeat a Pixie which has Mid-Godly Regen + Type 8 Immortality and can return even if erased from nonexistence.
 
Ok, if they aren't rooting for him, then the writers don't wan them going "oh the avengers/x-men/whatever good character fighting him are screwed and there's no point to this fight because no matter what they do to him he'll just be resurrected in seconds"?

That's what I mean by stakes.
 
This is because he only revives if God still seems he has a purpose which isn't always the case.

Wait.....Hold on here... If Ghost Rider is truely able to stomp the Avengers, including Thor....

How the Hell is Saber Alter more skilled them him?
 
@Matt. No it isn't. It's an ability of Yahweh bringing him back. And like I said. It doesn't matter if Yaheh is higher dimensional. This is a VS match, not a story. Saber has no way to stop Yahweh from bringing him back every time she kills him, so it kinda is unfair in that sense.

Either way, every time he resurrects he gets a excalibur morgan to the face and dies again, and Saber isn't running out of stamina any time soon, so inconclusive.
 
Aren't they usually screwed anyway? I ain't a huge GR fanatic but the only time I recall him pissing off is against WW Hulk and that was because he couldn't do shit to Hulk and hulk couldnt put him down for good so he left.
 
@Gar, either its an outlier, or you are using the unrestricted/zarathos rideR not the one we are using, or Zaraothos is simply stronger than Thor. Unless there's a statement outright stating that GR is more skilled than Thor, in ths context he's not.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Aren't they usually screwed anyway? I ain't a huge GR fanatic but the only time I recall him pissing off is against WW Hulk and that was because he couldn't do shit to Hulk and hulk couldnt put him down for good so he left.
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Yes, WW Hulk was the only one able to match him, while Thor and the Rest got stomped.

I realize that who has more skill isn't really a factor, but has Alter shown anything close to that?
 
Gar, its a figure of speech. Her master is Dark Sakura, who has over one million units of prana, and recovers prana faster than all the servants she's supporting use it up. Saber isn't running out of stamina.
 
If it's on the page it's not an outlier, if it was it wouldn't be on the page. Doesnt matter though, he's fought plenty more highly skilled opponents, Spidey, Hulk, so on and so forth.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
@Gar, either its an outlier, or you are using the unrestricted/zarathos rideR not the one we are using, or Zaraothos is simply stronger than Thor. Unless there's a statement outright stating that GR is more skilled than Thor, in ths context he's not.
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Did you even read the fight? He literally wrapped his chains around Thor's throat and chains....Yeah, he's got Higher AP now and nothing else, still speaks for his skill above Saber, and you use Arturia Saber to show Excaliber anyway so \_(-_-)_/

And if it's an outlier make a CRT because it's on his page....
 
What do you mean "close to that"? You mean beating Thor?

Rider beat Thor by grabbing the hammer and letting it drag him back and smacking him in the face with his motorcycle, which is a nifty trick but hardly the mark of amazing skill, and by blasting him with hellfire, which is a strength feat, not a skill feat. And skill is what matters here, seeing as beating Thor is either an outlier or using the wrong GR key
 
Spider is not even remotly comparable to Saber J-Man, Hulk is mindless beast, the only guys I could think would be Doctor Strange, Deadpool, and some other guy that I don't remember.
 
I really don't see why we can't use feats from other versions to speak for a person's skill. Yeah, Ghost Rider has higher AP, and beats Thor, big whoop.
 
Are ya sure, have anything supporting the fact of her capabke of firing a high end Excalibur Morgan off every 3 seconds for essentially a week or So?
 
@Gar because you are not speaking for his skill. You are speaking for his strength.

@J-Man, I was wrong. Sakura does not have 1 million units of prana

She has 1 trillion. So yes, I am sure
 
And this is of course assuming Alter doesn't just get bored of fighting and excaliblast a hole into the earth's core and chuck him in there or something when he's regenerating. Or the inverse and blast him into space.
 
My PC is from 2006, I need to wait a s*** load for a page, and if I do a refresh after a reply, I got crashed.
 
This is also the same dude who keeps up with Hulk, also yeah, he played Thor using a trick...Thor, a guy with hundreds of years of experience.

Now thinking it over....Wouldn't Ghost Rider self BFR knowing it's impossible to defeat Saber?
 
Not due to SBA, he's here to kill.

Against Hulk he didn't care, he self bfr'd but when leaving he said he didnt care, it was their fault for killing hulk's family.
 
You seem to think melee range = instant penance stare.

Not likely. He'd need to grab her, clear away the aura, look into her eyes, and use it.

All the while, she is fighting back, stabbing, the aura is stabbing at him just from him being within its AoE, and if that fails she simply warps through the shadows and out of his grip.
 
Will he seriously care about it even after getting Excaliblasted to the face?

At this point I don't care if I think Excaliblast being wise isn't true, I want this thread over
 
Nah dude, we still gotta see if hellfire manip will work since he can combo it with his chains and even a shotgun for range.

You can't get off Mr. Bone's wild ride.
 
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