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Ryougi Shiki Tier
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What's the conclusion?
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this thread's intent must be to spin around in so many circles so fast that is drill's through reality and reaches Akasha
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If the thread has been concluded, the changes can be applied, and this can be closed. XD
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did any changes even get made? i got lost in all the back and forth
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I don't think that Reppu and the other Nasuverse admins agreed though, this thread could live even path the concept of death.
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Reppuzan said:
look at this way.
if you need 2 seconds to reality warp the universe to oblivion and you are fighting bruce lee that doesnt give you those 2 seconds of perfect focus, you are probably going to lose.
it doesnt take away from your reality warping power, it just isnt the area where your skills shine the most
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@Embracetophats
My thoughts as well, its not her magical abilites that are infirior but her physical atributes, It is stated that Servants are faster and stronger then normal humans and Void shiki is still a human being despite her connection to the Root. So it's not like her body was magiclally enhanced when she surfaces, the body is the same as when Shiki(female) is in control.
Nasu is one of those witters that follow the idea that 'just because you can do great damage doesn't mean that you can recive tha same amout', Caster is a perfect example; she can dish out a lot of damage with her Magecraft but can be overwelmed by someone like Rin with simple reinforcement.
My thoughts as well, its not her magical abilites that are infirior but her physical atributes, It is stated that Servants are faster and stronger then normal humans and Void shiki is still a human being despite her connection to the Root. So it's not like her body was magiclally enhanced when she surfaces, the body is the same as when Shiki(female) is in control.
Nasu is one of those witters that follow the idea that 'just because you can do great damage doesn't mean that you can recive tha same amout', Caster is a perfect example; she can dish out a lot of damage with her Magecraft but can be overwelmed by someone like Rin with simple reinforcement.
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Just make Shiki possibly 1-C via hax and be done with it then~
Shiki still have ridiculous feats like killing effortlessly cut down three wraiths that were stated to be approaching the level of Primate Murder, a being on par with Arcueid Brunestud, Goetia, and Tiamat who are tier 4 characters and gods in Nasuverse
Shiki is one of those character would could lose to Shirou but beat the gods of the verse kek
Shiki still have ridiculous feats like killing effortlessly cut down three wraiths that were stated to be approaching the level of Primate Murder, a being on par with Arcueid Brunestud, Goetia, and Tiamat who are tier 4 characters and gods in Nasuverse
Shiki is one of those character would could lose to Shirou but beat the gods of the verse kek
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I mean Saber Shiki said they would be dead if it was actually a Beast of Gaia. The thing she killed was just a budget Beast of Alaya.
I think Shiki should be up to at least 7-B physically, Unknown with Root Powers.
I think Shiki should be up to at least 7-B physically, Unknown with Root Powers.
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Tier 9 Shiki. With or without [ ] personality in charge
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Rate her lower, but give her her hax. Also remove Akasha's profile and make it into a blog post.
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I think that was Low 2-C, if I'm not mistaken.
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IMO she should be rated as At least 7-B physically. Unknown, Possibly Low 2-C with Root Powers.
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Tier 9 with or without [ ] in charge. Just like how Shiki normally sitting at. [ ] being in charge of the body also doesn't boost the body spec IIRC unless Shiki is wielding Kanesada Kuji wherein her stats got amped regardless of which personality is currently in charge anyway
Unless someone is going to make Servant Shiki profile wherein one can make an argument the servant class container boost her combat capabilities, there's really no feat suggesting Shiki is even close to tier 7 in KnK
Unless someone is going to make Servant Shiki profile wherein one can make an argument the servant class container boost her combat capabilities, there's really no feat suggesting Shiki is even close to tier 7 in KnK
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Well she can defensively fight Servants. But I'm fine with tier 9, unknown with Root powers. She should be massively hypersonic though, via scaling to Araya who should be comparable to Touko who fought Aoko.
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@Reppu Physical Stats don't matter when you have the ability to grant wishes.
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@Reppu She probably did that through hax, also that was a budget Beast of Alaya. She said that if they actually fought Primate Murder they would be dead.
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Maybe because it doesn't deserve one? It's got no real feats of its own, since it's just a place, so giving it a tiered profile like other characters have seems pretty strange.
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Dotto
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All it ' does' is just exist as a place though, unlike the KH, which can be used as a power source. VenomElite said it here better:
"1. Akasha is not a person, it's a place, the source of all things and as well as the archive of all events past, present, and future, existing outside all of time. It's called the "Akashic Records" for a reason you know. Show proof of Akasha being an actual entity and be the source of the root itself while being it. Because unlike Akasha, the Creator (Umineko) has been proven to be an actual being and not a place. It's like making a profile of Nirvana when it's just a heightened state of awareness"
"1. Akasha is not a person, it's a place, the source of all things and as well as the archive of all events past, present, and future, existing outside all of time. It's called the "Akashic Records" for a reason you know. Show proof of Akasha being an actual entity and be the source of the root itself while being it. Because unlike Akasha, the Creator (Umineko) has been proven to be an actual being and not a place. It's like making a profile of Nirvana when it's just a heightened state of awareness"
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Kingdom Hearts is literally the same thing. The Holy Grail is an attempt to reach Akasha. Saber Shiki is able to perform her feats as an "omnipotent, wish-granting machine" through her Connection to the Root. Sakura has massive amounts of mana due to being hooked up to the Grail System which in turn attempted to connect to the Root.
Not everything needs to be an entity to have a profile.
Not everything needs to be an entity to have a profile.
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Except Shiki has no feats of that kind and the other two don't actually involve Akasha in a functional capacity, so I don't see how it is comparable to the KH.
Then why is it getting treated as if it's a character? We've already said that it isn't one, yet it's been put as a God, Void User, Acasual Character among others. This is clearly misleading abs should be corrected. I prefer a blog post about but either way, it shouldn't be treated as a tiered character which can be used in Vs Debates.
Then why is it getting treated as if it's a character? We've already said that it isn't one, yet it's been put as a God, Void User, Acasual Character among others. This is clearly misleading abs should be corrected. I prefer a blog post about but either way, it shouldn't be treated as a tiered character which can be used in Vs Debates.
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I never claimed it as a power source for access, you did when comparing it to the KH. Even then, there aren't any Tier 1 feats performed when one has had access to it, and the attempts you listed don't count as they never reached it in the first place, so the comparison is even more meaningless.
I mean, fine don't delete it if you really want to keep it, but don't format/treat it as a character/weapon profile, but more like an explanation page talking about what it is in the Nasuverse. Since things like this are normally put on explanation blogs/pages then linked to the verse page, hence my suggesting that we do the same for Akasha. Someone can easily copy-paste the text, reformat and edit it and later link it.
I mean, fine don't delete it if you really want to keep it, but don't format/treat it as a character/weapon profile, but more like an explanation page talking about what it is in the Nasuverse. Since things like this are normally put on explanation blogs/pages then linked to the verse page, hence my suggesting that we do the same for Akasha. Someone can easily copy-paste the text, reformat and edit it and later link it.
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