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Firstly, what I am saying is that those that Cinder does get physically stronger when she starts using Maiden versus when she isn't. If you want to point to an example where she does then please do.Are you saying to downgrade the Maidens, Ozpin/Ozma, and Salem to High 8-C physically, High 7-C/Low 7-B with magic? Or are you saying Tier 7 is an outlier? Please explain what you're trying to say, because I don't understand what you mean.
You do know that Raven and Cinder can take hits from each other's magical attacks (High 7-C)? Yet can still injure each other with their physical strikes, they're clearly far stronger when using Maiden powers. Cinder also got hit in the face by Raven's magic, with her Aura broken mind you, and was fine.
Hey, that's an argument I legitimately agree with.post
I’d argue that due to the Maidens being far superior to nearly every other character in the series their High 7-C feat wouldn’t be an outlier.So I believe that High 7-C should be treated as an outlier as it's vastly higher than anything else shown in the series.
Inb4 Raven’s storm is considered Environmental Destruction
I mean, I agree with you that they shouldn't be High 7-C in a combat applicable sense. Granted I think Community_Gamer is making the obvious point that there's really no good reason to scale the storm creation energy to their other, direct attacks, especially physicals, however our system has so much of a precedent with storm feats being used haphazardly that I think the outlier argument is also an efficient way of making the stats more accurate.Despite what I said however, I do agree that Maidens shouldn't be High 7-C. I believe the feat is an invalid for reasons I'll outline here.
Ok, so let’s say Cinder was toying with PyrrhaWe do not scale Pyrrha to Cinder as she was toying with her. Pyrrha was no threat to her like Winter and Penny was. Ozpin even stated that having Pyrrha assist him would only be getting in his way. Which further proves she stands zero chance against her.
Pyrrha is around Mercury's level, who's weaker than normal Cinder. Mercury even stated that Cinder could defeat Pyrrha with no problem.
Being > others isn’t justification of High 7-C. Justification for High 7-C would be one shotting the High 8-C’s or doing feats above High 8-C.They're not just stated though, they are consistantly shown to be physically above everyone else in the series. Not sure where you're getting that theyre sole justification for being stronger is statements
When you're above everyone else on top of having feats far beyond what they have and consistent feats of stomping those people yes, that is justification.Being > others isn’t justification of High 7-C. Justification for High 7-C would be one shotting the High 8-C’s or doing feats above High 8-C.
Maidens only have physical feats against High 8-C characters, of which none of them put them anywhere above “stronger than usual.” No Maiden has one shot a High 8-C, or done anything that implies that high of a difference in strength. The High 7-C feat is the outlier here.
Maidens have 0 feats that put them that vastly above the cast other than one.
Amber was untrained, she is not the standard of maiden power. Trying to use her to claim that all.maidens arent tier 7 is a false equivalence, especially when she herself has a tier 7 feat.The entire fight with Amber shows that Maidens are not that far above the cast. She pelts then with numerous direct hits, including hitting Mercury directly in the chest with a lightning bolt while her maiden powers were active, and they just keep beating her down and getting back up.
If she was so far above the cast that they are nothing to her, why did she struggle at all to beat 3 High 8-C’s whom she landed multiple attacks on while not holding back.
How many of which are just storm creation? Which can just make them “High 7-C via environmental destruction”? Also calcs? I already know the Raven one, but I don’t recall Amber or Oz having tier 7 calcsThey have several actually, I just listed them. Hell even Oz has tier 7 feats on his own.
Amber was untrained, she is not the standard of maiden power. Trying to use her to claim that all.maidens arent tier 7 is a false equivalence, especially when she herself has a tier 7 feat.
Pyrha said that Aura is used as a conduit for tools and equipment. Hence it would strengthen loafs of bread, trays, and glass swords into usable weapons.1. Aura doesn't matter as much as you may think. Yes, Aura is a "shield" but it doesn't significantly increase durability. (By significantly, I mean to some qualitative degree) Nor does it significantly increase attack. I know this may be sacrilege to some, that's fine. I would then ask you for an instance of when a character was qualitatively stronger with aura versus without?
So it is not reasonable to assume that Huntsmen in training are weaker than graduated veteran Huntsmen?2. There is no "Huntsmen or Pro Huntsmen" level. Judge every character individually. This should pretty obvious but I tend to see people saying things like "stronger than pro huntsmen" and things of that nature. it makes me think, what does that mean? There is no minimum strength of any particular Huntsmen.
Please provide evidence of a Maiden one shotting someone.
And if you do provide that evidence, then cease trying to scale others to them.
Non-maiden = not strong enough to escape. Incapped with a single attack.Freezing someone isn’t a one shot so idk what you mean by two one shots.