RWBY top tiers downgrade

[Schnee_One]

The God Brothers are the only God tiers

Still don't understand why two people that are only confirmed to exist and have never fought have a profile.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

There are a LOT of profiles like that here

 

[LordGinSama]

I still think we should wait for them to get more information before making a profile. Now's a good time to ask why they have concept manipulation, it seems like they have it since they created Life, Darkness water etc. This seems more akin to Creation rather than Concept Manipulation

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Because they created the Relics, which are embodiments of concepts they created

 

[LordGinSama]

Ah gotcha. Thought the reason for why they had concept manipulation was because they made water and all that. But the reason you gave is much more convincing.

 

[ShieldsPlus]

The mass of the cloud when the cloud starts to form is different from the mass of the cloud when the cloud is fully formed.

It is because at the start, the size of the cloud is extremely small in size, so the mass would be smaller as well.

As the size of the cloud becomes larger, the mass of cloud would also increase as well.

This means that instead of the cloud itself being moved, it is closer to the cloud growing in size, thus giving the appearance of said cloud expanding.

Using CAPE values in the original calc, and using 0.5 grams/m^3 for density, we get:

Volume = Pi x height x radius; using cylinder

Density = 0.00005 kg / meters^3

Mass = Density x Volume

Mass = 0.0005 x 3.1416 x (12,000) x (3,600)^2 = 244,290,816 kg

But then condensation happens in cloud formation, as clouds are generally liquid particles suspended in the atmosphere.

"Condensation is the process by which water vapor in the air is changed into liquid water."

Latent heat of condensatio = 2,500.8 J/gram, or 2,500,800 J/kg

Energy required for condensation = (244,290,816 kg) x (2,500,800 J/kg)

 

[ShieldsPlus]

But where does the 12000m for cloud height come from tho?

This is what a nimbostratus looks like.

It looks similar to the one shown in the cloud feat, as cumulonimbus clouds are generally more puffier.

 

[Hizack123]

I knew it that 7-B warrior is kind of to much.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

7-B Hgh Tiers is perfectly fine

 

[WeeklyBattles]

But where does the 12000m for cloud height come from tho?
This is what a nimbostratus looks like.

It looks similar to the one shown in the cloud feat, as cumulonimbus clouds are generally more puffier.

The average height of storm clouds varies between 12-14 km

 

[Hizack123]

7-B Hgh Tiers is perfectly fine

"Warriors"

Not wizard and maiden.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Maidens are 7-B+ and OZ and Salem are 7-A. There is no issue with the High tier huntsmen being 7-B as they have the feats to back it up

 

[LordAizenSama]

They are getting downgraded. KE is wrong to use here, as others have pointed out

 

[WeeklyBattles]

They are getting downgraded. KE is wrong to use here, as others have pointed out

Then 95% of the storm calcs where stroms are formed from nothing need to be dowgraded

 

[ShieldsPlus]

But where does the 12000m for cloud height come from tho?
This is what a nimbostratus looks like.

It looks similar to the one shown in the cloud feat, as cumulonimbus clouds are generally more puffier.

The average height of storm clouds varies between 12-14 km

That only refers to the cumulonimbus clouds though, which are generally more puffier and on a higher altitude than the ones shown in the scene.

 

[LordAizenSama]

Probably. But theres two issues here this might be a pain to explain clearly

Firstly using KE here is wrong as it is clearly clouds forming, not being dragged around.

Secondly is that if Khristis is correct then yes alot of storm calcs will need to be revised, using the standard that I think is being questioned in another thread I saw.

Which means the lowend is too high aswell

So... theres probably going to need to be a wiki wide revision of storms, depending on what value they get for the density of clouds.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Cumulonimbus clouds are what we use as the basis for all of our storm cloud feats

 

[ShieldsPlus]

We need to take the appearance of the clouds into consideration, however.

Because after watching the video of the feat again, we are not exactly sure if these clouds produce thunderstorms or not.

Cumulonimbus clouds almost always produce thunderstorms, and are usually grey in color.

Nimbostratus clouds rarely produce thunderstorms/rain, but can look similar to cumulonimbus clouds.

There were no instances of either rain, or thunder in that scene.

 

[TheRustyOne]

We can hear thunder when she makes the storm.

 

[ShieldsPlus]

But there was no thunder or the rain after the cloud has been made, however.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

There doesnt have to be

 

[ShieldsPlus]

Cumulonimbus clouds are almost always associated with thunderstorms, as well as rainfall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulonimbus_cloud

In the precipitation section, these types of clouds will almost always bring about rainfall from the base of it. Nimbostratus clouds have a similar appearance but doesn't always do this.

 

[SunGodAttun]

I noticed something about this feat.
From the looks of it the cloud in question was forming instead of moving.

I do not think that the kinetic energy equation is applicable for something like that.

Since there was no direct application energy, or a shockwave moving the atmosphere near where the cloud was forming

this

 

[ShieldsPlus]

So, any more thoughts?

Forming a cloud in the atmosphere =/= moving the entire atmosphere that the cloud covers in order for cloud to form.

 

[Random1201]

Has this thread served its purpose? The Stat adjustments were implemented.

 

[ShieldsPlus]

I guess, although the calculation for cloud density is still mathematically incorrect.

 

[TheRustyOne]

They've already been downgraded to 7-B, if you want to argue something else make another CT thread since this one has been derailed from it's original purpose.

This thread was made to show that Kaltias made a error and that error was fixed.

So this thread should be closed.