Hazbin Hotel physicals downgrade

[TugiaTheNarrator]

Currently we have Adam at 7-A physicals because

His punches are just as powerful as his Holy Light, Angels are beings of pure light

Pure light ≠ Holy light

It was never stated that pure light and holy light were the same thing, so Idk why ppl would think that
Also the calc that gets Adam to 7-A was incorrect and even retracted by the acceptor of the calc, so instead we should only have him at 7-C
I also made a recalc that has yet to be accepted but if it was we would have it at Low 7-B+

So in conclusion Adam should be downgraded to

Attack Potency: Multi-City Block level, possibly far higher (Superior to the sins of Hell). Town level with Holy Light (Effortlessly vaporized Sir Pentious and his entire blimp with one energy blast)

and Lucifer only scales to Adam physically, not his holy light so we simply downgrade him too

Attack Potency: Multi-City Block level, possibly far higher (Is the most powerful being in Hell, standing at the very top of it's hierarchy. Far superior to Adam and could easily beat him down. As a fallen angel he possesses angelic powers that trump over the power of Demons. Is one of Hell's few magic users, with only the most powerful demons being capable of using magic), Unknown with Creation (Angels are stated to have expanded the universe)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Pure light ≠ Holy light

It was never stated that pure light and holy light were the same thing, so Idk why ppl would think that

They are shown to bleed the yellow thingy (kind of light), they were stated to be made of it, they shoot it. Just because the name is different does not mean a thing. Sounds very nitpicky, put me in disagree.

Also the calc that gets Adam to 7-A was incorrect and even retracted by the acceptor of the calc, so instead we should only have him at 7-C

Low 7-B, actually.

I also made a recalc that has yet to be accepted but if it was we would have it at Low 7-B+

The OG calc already has Low 7-B end.

Idk if calc should be downgraded. Yes, I argued this before, that there is no hard proof of vapor being there, but can’t one argue “it’s light so it will heat up”, thus vaporization? Idk, not an expert, though logically it should work I think. Low 7-B end is very safe though.

Downgrade of the calc would be sad tho cuz a chunk of good MUs will be removed.

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

They are shown to bleed the yellow thingy (kind of light), they were stated to be made of it, they shoot it. Just because the name is different does not mean a thing. Sounds very nitpicky, put me in disagree.

So by that logic Lute and Vaggie would also be able to shoot it

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

Low 7-B, actually.

The OG calc already has Low 7-B end.

Idk if calc should be downgraded. Yes, I argued this before, that there is no hard proof of vapor being there, but can’t one argue “it’s light so it will heat up”, thus vaporization? Idk, not an expert, though logically it should work I think. Low 7-B end is very safe though.

Yeah but the depth itself is wrong

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I basically agree with orange. Disagree.

Low 7-B, actually.

The OG calc already has Low 7-B end.

Idk if calc should be downgraded. Yes, I argued this before, that there is no hard proof of vapor being there, but can’t one argue “it’s light so it will heat up”, thus vaporization? Idk, not an expert, though logically it should work I think. Low 7-B end is very safe though.

Downgrade of the calc would be sad tho cuz a chunk of good MUs will be removed.

entire calc has been deemed wrong so no L7B either

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

So by that logic Lute and Vaggie would also be able to shoot it

I fail to see that. Being made of something ≠ being able to shoot it. It’s just a specific ability that one guy has.

Yeah but the depth itself is wrong

Idk. Get the recalc accepted first.

entire calc has been deemed wrong so no L7B either

Hmm. I’ll look into that tomorrow (technically today) when it’s day for me.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

So by that logic Lute and Vaggie would also be able to shoot it

not all angels have the same Ablities. that's like saying angel dust should be able to have tentacles because he's a sinner or Alastor having petrification because he's a magic wielder

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

not all angels have the same Ablities. that's like saying angel dust should be able to have tentacles because he's a sinner or Alastor having petrification because he's a magic wielder

I know that's the point

Holy light isn't related to pure light

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I know that's the point

Holy light isn't related to pure light

Their holy is pure light tho.
Angels are beings of HOLY light. That's why Adam's beams aren't light speed because one has to argue that HOLY light=Light

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

Their holy is pure light tho.
Angels are beings of HOLY light. That's why Adam's beams aren't light speed because one has to argue that HOLY light=Light

Since when was it stated that holy light and pure light are the same?

All it said was "angels are being of pure light" nothing related to holy light

 

[DaReaperMan]

I agree with Orange. Imagine that when it comes to Hellaverse lol

 

[Mythic381]

Pure light ≠ Holy light

It was never stated that pure light and holy light were the same thing, so Idk why ppl would think that

Your argument is literally just that it has a different name therefore it should be a different thing entirely? I mean, he only calls it that name, doesn't mean it's not pure light. Definitely disagree, I don't think it would require a direct statement to realize they are connected.

Also the calc that gets Adam to 7-A was incorrect and even retracted by the acceptor of the calc, so instead we should only have him at 7-C
I also made a recalc that has yet to be accepted but if it was we would have it at Low 7-B+

Wait for the calculation to get evaluated and accepted before making the new tier proposal.

So by that logic Lute and Vaggie would also be able to shoot it

It's a specific ability, you don't shoot something you're made of.

Disagree with the proposal.

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

Your argument is literally just that it has a different name therefore it should be a different thing entirely? I mean, he only calls it that name, doesn't mean it's not pure light. Definitely disagree, I don't think it would require a direct statement to realize they are connected.

Well there's no proof that they are connected either

Wait for the calculation to get evaluated and accepted before making the new tier proposal.

Ik I'm just mentioning it

It's a specific ability, you don't shoot something you're made of.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Nifty is definitely stronger than Lucifer ye

 

[Mythic381]

Thanks for proving my point

What point? That since they're made of pure light they should be capable of also shooting it?

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

What point? That since they're made of pure light they should be capable of also shooting it?

my point was the exact opposite

 

[Mythic381]

Their holy is pure light tho.
Angels are beings of HOLY light. That's why Adam's beams aren't light speed because one has to argue that HOLY light=Light

Not sure I'm following? If it's accepted that Adam physically should scale to his Holy light because he's made of pure light and by extension his Holy light is also accepted as pure light, how is that an argument against light speed?

 

[Mythic381]

my point was the exact opposite

Ok, I'll ignore it because it has like no baring on this proposal.

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

Not sure I'm following? If it's accepted that Adam physically should scale to his Holy light because he's made of pure light and by extension his Holy light is also accepted as pure light, how is that an argument against light speed?

wdym light speed? I never said anything about that

 

[DaReaperMan]

my point was the exact opposite

I love how your entire point there is one big assumption you're trying to push as fact. Just perfect.

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

I love how your entire point there is one big assumption you're trying to push as fact. Just perfect.

wait what?

Ok I think a lot of ppl are confused on what's going on
What I mean is that Adam doesn't physically scale to the holy light because the show never said anything about pure light and holy light being connected

 

[Mythic381]

wdym light speed? I never said anything about that

Because the reply wasn't to you or about your argument?

 

[DaReaperMan]

wait what?

Ok I think a lot of ppl are confused on what's going on
What I mean is that Adam doesn't physically scale to the holy light because the show never said anything about pure light and holy light being connected

So by that logic Lute and Vaggie would also be able to shoot it

"Hayase lied as naturally as she breathed"

 

[Thelastmlg]

The entire point if this thread relies a guy connected to holy light, who projects holy light and bleeds holy light, not being made of holy light because they say "pure" instead of "holy", even though:

A) pure is a synonym of holy

B) even if it is referring to quantity, his entire nature is connected to holy light, not normal everyday light

Then it tries to argue that every angel should have the same abilities as the guy in command, as if angels don't have ranks or levels of power

Adam doesn't showcase any of lucifer's unique powers, so i guess adam is not an angel now

You are literally asking to be spoonfed confirmation that the holy being with holy light is not made of basic normal light completely unconnected to heaven

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

"Hayase lied as naturally as she breathed"

I said "by that logic"

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

Then it tries to argue that every angel should have the same abilities as the guy in command, as if angels don't have ranks or levels of power

So by that logic Lute and Vaggie would also be able to shoot it

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Alright. So it seems this has been heavily rejected for now. Does this need closed now or does anyone else have any more agruments?

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

Alright. So it seems this has been heavily rejected for now. Does this need closed now or does anyone else have any more agruments?

I feel like my arguments were misunderstood. I said "by that logic" and ppl seem to ignore it so I honestly don't know what else is gonna happen. Hopefully we can get some staff here

 

[Mythic381]

I feel like my arguments were misunderstood. I said "by that logic" and ppl seem to ignore it so I honestly don't know what else is gonna happen. Hopefully we can get some staff here

That wasn't really the main counter-argument for the stuff you presented in the OP, but the counter-argument is that pure and holy are synonyms, and different names isn't really enough to warrant them being entirely different things, especially when again, both are light.

 

[Mythic381]

Alright. So it seems this has been heavily rejected for now. Does this need closed now or does anyone else have any more agruments?

No mod has seen this, don't see any reason to close it now.

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

bump

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

let this thread die gang

 

[Mythic381]

Just let it go.... say that again...

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Dang, bro...poor verse; it will reach tier 10-C soon.

 

[Mythic381]

Dang, bro...poor verse; it will reach tier 10-C soon.

Absolutely nobody is agreeing with this.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Absolutely nobody is agreeing with this.

I was talking about how several people seem to want to downgrade it for some reason.

 

[y3p_owo]

Disagree fra