RWBY - Immaterial Non-Physical Interaction Review

[Jinx666]

"Do not worry, Ruby is capable of traveling at an extreme velocity from one point to another by breaking herself down to her molecular components, thus negating her mass and then reassembling them at the destination, theoretically making it possible for her to transport all of us in the same way, as mass no longer matters."

Say it with me

thus negating her mass

mass no longer matters.

And you're on crack if youre trying to defend RWBY writing, and their scapegoat ability that somehow RWBY wasnt even aware of despite LITERALLY CONCIOUSLY using it on other people

Shes been kicked out of her semblance, even in this latest volume (Force enacts on Mass)
Shes produced a force to break through the Atlas security door (Force = Mass x Acceleration)
'Negating Mass' does not mean she has NO mass, since molecules will still always have mass. It likely refers to negating her base mass.


^^^
RWBY fans understand basic science plz

 

[DaReaperMan]

And you're on crack if youre trying to defend RWBY writing, and their scapegoat ability that somehow RWBY wasnt even aware of despite LITERALLY CONCIOUSLY using it on other people

Shes been kicked out of her semblance, even in this latest volume (Force enacts on Mass)
Shes produced a force to break through the Atlas security door (Force = Mass x Acceleration)
Negating Mass does not mean she has NO mass, since molecules will still always have mass. It likely refers to negating her base mass.


^^^
RWBY fans understand basic science plz

Appeal to Reality doesn't work here lol

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And you're on crack if youre trying to defend RWBY writing, and their scapegoat ability that somehow RWBY wasnt even aware of despite LITERALLY CONCIOUSLY using it on other people

Shes been kicked out of her semblance, even in this latest volume (Force enacts on Mass)
Shes produced a force to break through the Atlas security door (Force = Mass x Acceleration)
Negating Mass does not mean she has NO mass, since molecules will still always have mass. It likely refers to negating her base mass.


^^^
RWBY fans understand basic science plz

Ah yes, the age old argument. "RWBY has shitty writing, therefore anything that happns in the show ability-wise is wrong"

 

[Jinx666]

Ah yes, the age old argument. "RWBY has shitty writing, therefore anything that happns in the show ability-wise is wrong"

The show LITERALLY contradicts this notion, and has only added it recently AFTER the fact



Heres the video again.

Note how none of this talks about her using intangibility either

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Even though its not non-physical interaction.

Such as?

Non-Physical Interaction for a physical-based power is crazy wha
We arent that much a machine to this place are we?

One Piece.

The entire existence of hitting logia type users (who are an entire genre of characters that are elementally intangible) is through Haki, which gives NPI.

So yeah, that’s about 50+ profiles from one verse alone that use NPI from elemental intangibility.

A bunch of marvel characters as well.

It is a well used ability. And don’t call me a machine. Just make a crt to change the name, stop debating about it here, please.

Ah yes, the age old argument. "RWBY has shitty writing, therefore anything that happns in the show ability-wise is wrong"

They have a point with Ruby bashing through a wall while in semblance mode.

If she did that, then that’s a no to elemental intangibility as well since she has mass.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

They have a point with Ruby bashing through a wall while in semblance mode.

If she did that, then that’s a no to elemental intangibility as well since she has mass.

How would that invalidate it being elemental intangibility? She breaks herself down into molecules and rose petals and can split herself up into multiple clouds to disperse around attacks.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also Ruby going “ah, wuh?” to using her Semblance on other people, when she deadass did that already, is ******* hilarious. Good ol RWBY, being consistent.

How would that invalidate it being elemental intangibility? She breaks herself down into molecules and rose petals and can split herself up into multiple clouds to disperse around attacks.

And that cloud can be physically interacted with by things that didn’t even have Aura, such as a wall. So if you hit her, even without Aura, she will stop if you’re strong enough.

 

[Jinx666]

One Piece.

The entire existence of hitting logia type users (who are an entire genre of characters that are elementally intangible) is through Haki, which gives NPI.

So yeah, that’s about 50+ profiles from one verse alone that use NPI from elemental intangibility.

Well thats just wrong and needs to be worded better. Logia elements are still physical things. This needs a serious change. Idk if OP has ghosts in it or anything tho

A bunch of marvel characters as well.

Marvel is going through a huge revamp anyway, they should be willing to change that

It is a well used ability. And don’t call me a machine. Just make a crt to change the name, stop debating about it here, please.

Theres no point in this thread if NPI wont be removed in general just cause the wiki hasn't got the power correct

They have a point with Ruby bashing through a wall while in semblance mode.

If she did that, then that’s a no to elemental intangibility as well since she has mass.

+ Shes also able to grab things, and still get bonked in the latest volume (By things that dont have aura)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And that cloud can be physically interacted with by things that didn’t even have Aura, such as a wall. So if you hit her, even without Aura, she will stop if you’re strong enough.

Ye, because its still a cloud of matter moving at high velocity. Usingyour OP example, logia users dont just disperse around stuff theyre attacking when theyre throwing punches in logia form

 

[Damage3245]

So many posts.... Why don't we wait a while and see what Firestorm has to say?

 

[Jinx666]

How would that invalidate it being elemental intangibility? She breaks herself down into molecules and rose petals and can split herself up into multiple clouds to disperse around attacks.

I think your thing is Weekly is that you just...

Arent able to understand that contradiction matters in these sorts of things.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I think your thing is Weekly is that you just...

Arent able to understand that contradiction matters in these sorts of things.

Jinx, you havent understood a damn thing since this thread started, you are not one to talk. FFS you just learned that elemental intangibility exists

 

[Jinx666]

Fr though i dont see any point in this thread in the first place if the wiki Deadass just lumps Non-Physical Interaction to Elemental-based Intangibility too. Maybe Elemental Intangbility should just be its separate page if theres technicalities like this fr

 

[Kingofwolves999]

If Ruby can hit a wall and need to break through it to get past it, then someone kicking her while in Semblance form, while being stronger than her, would also just stop her.

Ye, because it’s still a cloud of matter moving at high velocity. Usingyour OP example, logia users dont just disperse around stuff theyre attacking when theyre throwing punches in logia form

Difference is logia users disperse around attacks. Ruby cannot do that if her semblance form is directly attacked by something that can stop it.

For example, if she ran into a wall that could not be broken through, she would stop or try to go around it.

If someone kicked her while in semblance form, faster than she could disperse around their attack, then she would get hit.

She is a cloud of molecules, but is also still present as a form of kinetic energy, otherwise she could not hit things or touch things at all.

 

[Jinx666]

Jinx, you havent understood a damn thing since this thread started, you are not one to talk. FFS you just learned that elemental intangibility exists

Ah yes Weekly, you're right ALL the time arent you.

Keep clinging to that poorly written statement that is actively contradicted multiple times. Much like you do with the Geist.
Like okay fine, Ruby can molecularly decompose herself (Remember when you thought RWBY characters didnt have molecules lmao), and she can travel faster through 'negating mass'. But thats clearly not literal.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Fr though i dont see any point in this thread in the first place if the wiki Deadass just lumps Non-Physical Interaction to Elemental-based Intangibility too. Maybe Elemental Intangbility should just be its separate page if theres technicalities like this fr

Kek

Wants to make a site-wide CRT just so RWBY doesnt have NPI

What a joke

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ah yes Weekly, you're right ALL the time arent you.

Keep clinging to that poorly written statement that is actively contradicted multiple times. Much like you do with the Geist

Honey you still have yet to prove its contradictory. Just because you have the ability to speak doesnt mean youre right.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Fr though i dont see any point in this thread in the first place if the wiki Deadass just lumps Non-Physical Interaction to Elemental-based Intangibility too. Maybe Elemental Intangbility should just be its separate page if theres technicalities like this fr

The thread is still relevant because Geists are being claimed as immaterial, so NPI still needs to be debated about.

Also elemental intangibility isn’t changing soon until a thread is made for it, so it is still relevant to this thread.

Just ignore the naming conventions please and focus on the actual arguments

 

[Jinx666]

Kek

Wants to make a site-wide CRT just so RWBY doesnt have NPI

Cause its another bs power you're shoehorning into aura, much like resistance to Transmutation.

Honey you still have yet to prove its contradictory. Just because you have the ability to speak doesnt mean youre right.

Geist gets hit multiple times. Instead of seeing this as a contradiciton to the Geist being intangible in the way you want, you actively choose to use it to give RWBY more undefined hax. A.k.a you only want the 'High-End' possibility.

Also dont call me honey, genuinely disturbing

 

[Kingofwolves999]

10 seconds from calling you both to a rules violation thread for consistent insults.

I’m really getting tired of this thread being sidetracked because you two can’t stop insulting each other like literal children, or going off on tangents for completely separate matters for literally no reason at all.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If Ruby can hit a wall and need to break through it to get past it, then someone kicking her while in Semblance form, while being stronger than her, would also just stop her.

Difference is logia users disperse around attacks. Ruby cannot do that if her semblance form is directly attacked by something that can stop it.

For example, if she ran into a wall that could not be broken through, she would stop or try to go around it.

If someone kicked her while in semblance form, faster than she could disperse around their attack, then she would get hit.

She is a cloud of molecules, but is also still present as a form of kinetic energy, otherwise she could not hit things or touch things at all.

She can though, shes done so on more than one occasion

 

[Jinx666]

The thread is still relevant because Geists are being claimed as immaterial, so NPI still needs to be debated about.

Also elemental intangibility isn’t changing soon until a thread is made for it, so it is still relevant to this thread.

Just ignore the naming conventions please and focus on the actual arguments

Its not like the Aura page or any rwby profiles talk about specifically elemental intangibility either (And Elemental tangibility is an incredibly loose term for the semblance) when it comes to NPI. This all derived from the C h i l l and now ppl ar ejust finding ways to keep it on life support.

Theres no point until its changed, and i might make a thread abt it once i can afford another useless vs battle argument.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

10 seconds from calling you both to a rules violation thread for consistent insults.

I’m really getting tired of this thread being sidetracked because you two can’t stop insulting each other like literal children, or going off on tangents for completely separate matters for literally no reason at all.

Jinx has already been warned about this kind of behavior from the previous CRT she made, the fact that its taken this long for someone to call her out for it despite her having insulted people since this thread started is shocking

 

[Jinx666]

She can though, shes done so on more than one occasion

Shes actively had to split her body up to get past solid objects in these clips.

If she was elementally intangible, her molecules would scatter PAST the solid object instead of needing to actively split up before impact.

This is literally in the Ruby Semblance video. Theres no way you can make this make sense.

Its best to call it elemental intangibility, but it looks like shes more dodding it in parts of herself, smthn like Buggy the Clown lol

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Hitting someone with Elemental intangibility, until changed, will grant non-physical interaction, as you LITERALLY CANNOT PUNCH WATER IN A WAY COMPARABLE TO A HUMAN.

If you punched someone made of water, your hand goes through them.

I punch someone made of water, and they fly back and stumble like a normal person being punched.

That is the difference being argued currently. I don’t give a damn what the name you want to give it is, but that’s what Ruby’s intangibility is being argued similar as, due to its molecular nature.

Stop arguing about the name.

She can though, shes done so on more than one occasion

She can. If she is fast enough for her speedy form to react.

Mercury just flat out kicked her out of it cause he was faster.

She can be stopped by doors and has to break through them, unable to slip or phase through.

Yes, she CAN disperse, but she is not generally intangible while she is in that state. She is a moving mass with force attached. So claiming it’s NPI to hit her before she disperses around you is not accurate.

 

[Jinx666]

Jinx has already been warned about this kind of behavior from the previous CRT she made, the fact that its taken this long for someone to call her out for it despite her having insulted people since this thread started is shocking

You aren't exactly an unreported saint either Weekly... You've probs been reported more times than me


But yh if ppl here really think NPI links to Elemental intangibility and are only gonna get their way through this technicality then theres not much point

 

[WeeklyBattles]

She can. If she is fast enough for her speedy form to react.

Not exactly either, as of volume 7 its confirmed that her actions in her semblance state are 100% instinctive, she doesnt need to actively react to stuff when shes using it.

Mercury just flat out kicked her out of it cause he was faster.

She can be stopped by doors and has to break through them, unable to slip or phase through.

Ye, she dosnt have phasing intangibility, only elemental

Yes, she CAN disperse, but she is not generally intangible while she is in that state. She is a moving mass with force attached. So claiming it’s NPI to hit her before she disperses around you is not accurate.

That goes for almost all Logia OP characters too tho

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Its best to call it elemental intangibility, but it looks like shes more dodding it in parts of herself, smthn like Buggy the Clown lol

This is a more accurate representation of her power tbh.

She can disperse if her body instinctively reacts fast enough. If not, she will be hit and her force countered.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You aren't exactly an unreported saint either Weekly... You've probs been reported more times than me

Many times were BECAUSE of you, because you act like this constantly. Its only now that people are seeing that youre in the wrong.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Not exactly either, as of volume 7 its confirmed that her actions in her semblance state are 100% instinctive, she doesnt need to actively react to stuff when shes using it.

Ye, she dosnt have phasing intangibility, only elemental

That goes for almost all Logia OP characters too tho

Then her instincts need to do it, that doesn’t change the general state.

A logia would phase through the door because they would go past the door’s cracks. Unless it was super sealed tight.

And the Logia types are being changed I believe to selective purely because their bodies can NOT be intangible. At least that was last I heard of it

 

[Jinx666]

Hitting someone with Elemental intangibility, until changed, will grant non-physical interaction, as you LITERALLY CANNOT PUNCH WATER IN A WAY COMPARABLE TO A HUMAN.

If you punched someone made of water, your hand goes through them.

I punch someone made of water, and they fly back and stumble like a normal person being punched.

That is the difference being argued currently. I don’t give a damn what the name you want to give it is, but that’s what Ruby’s intangibility is being argued similar as, due to its molecular nature.

Logia users have a special technique against the elemental intangibility anyway dont they? Where they make their arms black or smthn?

Water isn't non-physical though, its just merely a Liquid. Non-Physical literally refers to the 4 things in intangible, or non-corporeal, abstract, and nonexistent objects. Same goes for mostly all elements, even Gaseous like air.

Either way yh the name isnt the main part, but NPI will still be on the profiles in some capacity no matter how this thread ends lol, counter productive

 

[Jinx666]

Many times were BECAUSE of you, because you act like this constantly. Its only now that people are seeing that youre in the wrong.

Sorry Weekly its all my fault for your actions! You're always in the right.

Remind me how you're retired again?

 

[Jinx666]

Not exactly either, as of volume 7 its confirmed that her actions in her semblance state are 100% instinctive, she doesnt need to actively react to stuff when shes using it.

Except when she cant, since even in this latest volume she got hit in her Semblance form.

So her clump of petals in one clearly isnt 'elementally intangible' when it has to actively split up, instinctive or not, to dodge an attack. And can produce a force. and can hold things.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Clump of molecules or not, she can be hit out of semblance form. She can hit things and be stopped, having to break through a door rather than slip through the cracks in her molecular state.

No elemental intangibility. She’s like Buggy.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Sorry Weekly its all my fault for your actions! You're always in the right.

Remind me how you're retired again?

Fun fact, im joining the staff again soon

 

[Damage3245]

@Jinx666 @WeeklyBattles Why the hell are you two still responding to each other like this? (Rhetorical question; there is no satisfactory answer as you've both been warned)

I'm locking the thread until Firestorm is able to reply because this is going nowhere.

 

[Firestorm808]

It was about 3am before I fell asleep. How the hell did we get here when I woke up?

 

[Damage3245]

It was about 3am before I fell asleep. How the hell did we get here when I woke up?

The back and forth has been very heavy. Since you're awake now, I'll unlock the thread.


And I advise everyone not to spam responses at each other.

 

[Firestorm808]

• RWBY 2015 Manga
  • Tweet
  • "#RWBY ’s MANGA by Shirow Miwa begins at ULTRA JUMP! Original storywhich reveals the mystery hidden in 4 trailers!"
    • In the manga, the nature of the Arma Gigas is revealed, as Jacques Schnee's Secretary explains that the Schnee Dust Company put multiple specimens of a possession-type Grimm inside of it. It is described as being comparable to a mecha-suit in strength and three times as strong as the original model that, according to Weiss, is standing in the Schnee museum.
  • The 2015 Manga falls seems to fall under tertiary canon.
    • The tertiary canon consists of official adaptations not overseen by the author, which do not modify or contradict source material. When other source materials give different versions of the same feat, and by that contradict the tertiary canon in the depiction of the feat, the others take precedence.
    • And here as well, if the feat is correctly depicted over multiple canons any of these can be used to judge the feat. Should by judging the feat through primary or secondary canon a different result be reached than for tertiary canon the result of primary or secondary canon will have priority.
    • Entirely new feats of tertiary canon, like for example new abilities, should be disregarded. Details added to existing fight scenes, such as damage caused to the surroundings, can be accepted for text-based media like books.
    • Any changes based on tertiary canon will only be accepted if they are not contradicted by any instances of another canon, with regards to either the character power-scale, or logical inconsistencies (and plot holes).

Based on site rules, I am leaning against using the manga. The information from the manga doesn't seem to be supported by the primary source material. It also suggests a new ability that was never implied in the original depictions.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It was about 3am before I fell asleep. How the hell did we get here when I woke up?

Ah that explains it lol

• RWBY 2015 Manga
  • Tweet
  • "#RWBY ’s MANGA by Shirow Miwa begins at ULTRA JUMP! Original storywhich reveals the mystery hidden in 4 trailers!"
    • In the manga, the nature of the Arma Gigas is revealed, as Jacques Schnee's Secretary explains that the Schnee Dust Company put multiple specimens of a possession-type Grimm inside of it. It is described as being comparable to a mecha-suit in strength and three times as strong as the original model that, according to Weiss, is standing in the Schnee museum.
  • The 2015 Manga falls seems to fall under tertiary canon.
    • The tertiary canon consists of official adaptations not overseen by the author, which do not modify or contradict source material. When other source materials give different versions of the same feat, and by that contradict the tertiary canon in the depiction of the feat, the others take precedence.
    • And here as well, if the feat is correctly depicted over multiple canons any of these can be used to judge the feat. Should by judging the feat through primary or secondary canon a different result be reached than for tertiary canon the result of primary or secondary canon will have priority.
    • Entirely new feats of tertiary canon, like for example new abilities, should be disregarded. Details added to existing fight scenes, such as damage caused to the surroundings, can be accepted for text-based media like books.
    • Any changes based on tertiary canon will only be accepted if they are not contradicted by any instances of another canon, with regards to either the character power-scale, or logical inconsistencies (and plot holes).

Based on site rules, I am leaning against using the manga. The information from the manga doesn't seem to be supported by the primary source material. It also suggests a new ability that was never implied in the original depictions.

The guidebook and supplementary commentary from the writers confirmed that the Arma Gigas is a Geist, so it should be fine to use