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RWBY - Immaterial Non-Physical Interaction Review

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Don’t call me boyo, you say that when you’re about to get agitated.

The question was for dust bullets.

When Ruby shoots a normal dust bullet, she is not using her aura to activate it, she’s just shooting a bullet through her scythe’s mechanism. And as you said, that is never shown to have actual Aura on it. But the point in total isn’t completely relevant either way.
She is using her aura to activate it yes, all Dust ammunition requires Aura to function properly. This is further emphasized by the existence of semblance like Coco' Hype, as well as Blake's clones and Weiss' glyphs, both of which utilize aura in conjunction with Dust bullets to manifest different elemental properties.
I would much rather you talk about the Arma.

Because the only way you could say that Weiss has NPI for killing them is to say she didn’t hit their masks… but she would have had to hit their masks when she burned their entire construct.

On top of the Giant Knight even BEING an Arma coming from the manga anthology, which is… very very different. Also using Ice Queendom, which is also very very different and specifically non-canon, doesn’t aid you.
The manga version of the arma gigas comes from the Official Manga, which is non-canon yes, but the guidebook and later volume 4 commentary confirm that it is a bunch of Geists in one body, Ice Queendom is confirmed to be canon though.
 
She is using her aura to activate it yes, all Dust ammunition requires Aura to function properly. This is further emphasized by the existence of semblance like Coco' Hype, as well as Blake's clones and Weiss' glyphs, both of which utilize aura in conjunction with Dust bullets to manifest different elemental properties.

The manga version of the arma gigas comes from the Official Manga, which is non-canon yes, but the guidebook and later volume 4 commentary confirm that it is a bunch of Geists in one body, Ice Queendom is confirmed to be canon though.
Her killing the Knight by destroying it totally would have inevitably hit the masks inside it, is my claim.

So the point of “their mask are selectively intangible, and are completely tangible while possessing something” remains
 
Her killing the Knight by destroying it totally would have inevitably hit the masks inside it, is my claim.

So the point of “their mask are selectively intangible, and are completely tangible while possessing something” remains
Bro they had to retcon the Arma Gigas in general. Its just messy to even try and bring it up tbh
 
Ice Queendom is separate universe wha?

"First, the world of RWBY: Ice Queendom is NOT an alternate universe or a reboot. While the story is set in the same universe as the main show, we’re calling it “canon adjacent”. The new show is incredibly faithful to the original, while also taking some fun new liberties to switch things up a bit. The first two episodes of RWBY: IQ will recap V1 - V2 before kicking things off into a bold new adventure, full of new characters, new settings, new surprises, and (of course) new Grimm. Not only that, but you’ll also see a ton of familiar faces, too."

"According to Rooster Teeth, the anime was not an alternate universe or a reboot. While the story was set in the same universe as the main show, they are calling it “canon adjacent”.

The first three episodes recaped Volumes 1 and 2 before moving to an original story that includes new characters, settings, and Grimm.

Ice Queendom occurred during the Beacon Arc after Volume 2."

Ice Queendom is canon
 

"According to Rooster Teeth, the anime was not an alternate universe or a reboot. While the story was set in the same universe as the main show, they are calling it “canon adjacent”.

The first three episodes recaped Volumes 1 and 2 before moving to an original story that includes new characters, settings, and Grimm.

Ice Queendom occurred during the Beacon Arc after Volume 2."

Ice Queendom is canon
k idc i said i dont wanna derail

They literally show a complete alternate take to Volume 1 and mention none of that in the slightest tho. Just sounds like RWBY wanting to bite off slightly more competent writing. But its w/e, the nightmare has a physical form so its not even in this discussion.
 
I mean that ddoesn't take away from the fact its called canon
Imagine thinking I said that though?

K fine its canon, RWBY needs all the help it can get. Literally irrelevant to this though since the Nightmare is physical. Stop derailing
 
Why would the mask be selectively intangible? What proof of there is this?

Tbh given the huge retcon and a Geist not even existing in the white trailer then they likely just didnt account for it. But lets like...just stick to examples of the Gigas' we do see the mask on, and it physically being the only thing hit.
 
Her killing the Knight by destroying it totally would have inevitably hit the masks inside it, is my claim.

So the point of “their mask are selectively intangible, and are completely tangible while possessing something” remains
Tangible when possessing stuff sure, but both Harriet and Ruby hit and killed their respective Geists when they werent possessing stuff

Hell the fact that Clover, a seasoned huntsman who has undoubtedly faced Geists before given he knew exactly how to beat it, even attempted to hook the Geist's body would be evidence that he can interact with its body if he hadnt missed.
 
Tangible when possessing stuff sure, but both Harriet and Ruby hit and killed their respective Geists when they werent possessing stuff

Hell the fact that Clover, a seasoned huntsman who has undoubtedly faced Geists before given he knew exactly how to beat it, even attempted to hook the Geist's body would be evidence that he can interact with its body if he hadnt missed.
Which perfectly also applies if the Grimm wasn't intangible, and we are clinging way too hard and making assumptions of NPI just for it being based off a ghost, to be 'immaterially' passively intangible 24/7

Fr how does a completely intangible being try to attack Blake physically? You cant claim the Geist can NOW turn its tangibility on and off when thats literally what you've been denying.

At best the main body of the Grimm is intangible, but the white mask parts, and stuff like the claws arent. But every kill on the Geist so far has been on its mask face. We dont clearly see anything going THROUGH its body or mask. You dont get NPI just for hitting the weak spot.
 
Elemental intangibility is a simulation of intangibility. Its a form of intangibility that doesnt actually make you intangible, but allows you to pass through PARTIALLY permeable things. Like someone made of water being able to walk through a grate.

Interacting with a substance/element is NOT the same as being able to interact with non-corporeality, or any of that stuff. Hence why theres a big differentiation
Yes? Hence why it should be specified that they have NPI for both Elemental and Immaterial intangibilitieis, but not Phasing.
Commentary describes it as a ghost grimm in the design aspect. Doesnt make it a ghost.

Guidebook uses one adjective to say its intangible, moves on to its main possession power, and you're making huge assumptions abt how it works just based on one word.
With all of the context taken int consideration as one it is pretty clear that it is intangible. The one making huge assumptions is you, acting like the Geist being intangible only comes from one word as opposed to a handful of sources coupled with consistent showings throughout the series.
Possession power =/= Intangibility.
It does when said possession power involves physically entering matter in order to take control of it.
She was spooked, it was dark, the Geist took her by a clear surprise, and it wasn't stationary, you yourself admit it just kept running away. We do not see any of the bullets physically go through, or even interact with the Geist. This is another assumption
It ran away after Harriet punched through the wall, yes. Before that it was effectively just floating in front of Blake while she unloaded into it.
The Geist possesses. It only goes intangible through things it wants to possess. Its a linked power, but doesnt mean as such. If anything we can see the geist actively make an impact on the ground when it possessed the tree
Prove that it only goes intangible when it possesses things. The burden of proof is on you to do so.
He didn't say this in exact regards to his semblance. It was in regards to the rock that was about to fall on Clover or whatever.

The semblances cancel out clearly. We cant just blame every plot inconvenience on Qrow unless its fully broadcasted as such
It was in fact fully broadcasted as such. Hell the fact that Clover, a seasoned huntsman who has undoubtedly faced Geists before given he knew exactly how to beat it, even attempted to hook the Geist's body would be evidence that he can interact with its body if he hadnt missed.
If you were intangible to every physical attack then you shouldnt be scared of being hit in the first place.
Its almost like the cast can hit intangible opponents or something.
They possess the rocks to make themselves actually capable of dealing damage, but are still implied to cause harm in general in its true form, as well as the fact it physically tried to attack Blake.
If a Geist was always intangible, why are they actively trying to attack a character physically?
Th is an intangible being doing trying to physically attack someone?
Because an intangible creature is still able to attack stuff? Being intangible doesnt remove your ability to attack.
Bro, if anything it proves YOU wrong. Actually says only SPECIALIZED people and things can even interact with a chill (Not kill it. Much like you said)
Nope
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Only says remove, not kill.
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Chills are stated in the lore to be incorporeal, and huntsmen have killed them before.

Literally every instance of the Chill being the reason for NPI was swapped to the Geist. No one acknowledges this as a point and you've actively skipped my point just to try and quote on something irrelevant.

Even i admit the Geist is a much better argument to make than the Chill, please just save us the extra useless talking point
The Chill is just as big of a point as the Geist. There are still feats of normal huntsmen killing Chills.
Except i have...and the main issue here is i dont think theres enough evidence for NPI since you are only assuming the ideal.
Except you havent, despite me begging you numerous times to do so. All youve done is demand others prove their points with evidence but refuse to practice what you preach because you know that there is no evidence to prove yourself right, so you just insult people and divert away from the fact that you have no way to prove anything you are claiming.
Gotta love how the Geist could literally get physically hit, multiple times, and it'll just be assumed RWBY have NPI over thinking that m a y be RWBY is just contradicting itself? Over a fact not even officially and concretely established in the show.
Yes, because that is the logical conclusion. What proof do you have that it is contradicting itself? The guidebook is primary canon, anything established in the guidebook is canon to the show.
 
Which perfectly also applies if the Grimm wasn't intangible, and we are clinging way too hard and making assumptions of NPI just for it being based off a ghost, to be 'immaterially' passively intangible 24/7
Love how youre just ignoring all the other evidence that it is intangfible and claiming that the only thing that makes it intangible is that its based off of a ghost and nothing else. Not the fact that its outright stated to be intangible in the guidebook. Not the fact that it can enter inert matter at will in order to possess it. Nah, its only intangible because the directors and writers based it off of a ghost.
Fr how does a completely intangible being try to attack Blake physically? You cant claim the Geist can NOW turn its tangibility on and off when thats literally what you've been denying.
Intangibility does not remove your ability to attack things by default.
 
Tangible when possessing stuff sure, but both Harriet and Ruby hit and killed their respective Geists when they werent possessing stuff

Hell the fact that Clover, a seasoned huntsman who has undoubtedly faced Geists before given he knew exactly how to beat it, even attempted to hook the Geist's body would be evidence that he can interact with its body if he hadnt missed.
While hitting their masks. Which is why I said the masks are their weak point.

Also Clover could literally have just been aiming for the head and missed, all we see is that he missed. Whether it would have hooked on or not to the body is an unknown and irrelevant factor, what it “implies” is not as concrete as what we literally have.

That being that when Geist are killed/attacked, people go for their masks. He tried to hook into it and missed. Nothing more to speculate on.

Also everyone stop talking about the Chill. We do not know how they are killed or defeated or interacted with. It is headcanon to say anything about them that has not been directly said and trying to apply “maybe they did this” statements to the entire verse is ridiculous.

As far as currently shown, the masks of Geists are tangible when they are taking something over. They are only shown “intangible” when they phase through something in order to possess it or bypass it. Therefore, it should be selective intangibility for their masks, and anyone hitting their masks should not have NPI.

Harriet hit the Geist while it was already being touched and yanked out, so that should still count for it being tangible. Ruby shooting the Geist when it was running also should count for it being tangible, as it didn’t even know it was being attacked while it was turning to see her bullet.

Nothing really suggests that Geists can phase through attacks directed at their masks, and so they should not be treated as such.
 
Actually, going back and looking, I don’t believe there is ever a point where the mask becomes “intangible” while it begins the possession process.

The only instance we see of a Geist possessing something is against the Ace OPs, where in it seemingly went through the rock but also didn’t? It enters/goes around the ice block, and the mask is already in place while black mist swirls around.

I don’t believe we’ve ever seen the Mask be capable of intangibility.

Has a Geist ever phased through a wall or anything with its mask?
 
Yes? Hence why it should be specified that they have NPI for both Elemental and Immaterial intangibilitieis, but not Phasing.
Elemental Intangibility does apply for NPI period.

Unless it was so weird non-corporeal substance like idk, ectoplasm, the elements used to be ELEMENTALLY intangible are still physical.
Water is physical. Magma is physical. Molecules are physical.

How th are you immaterial and can dodge physical attacks but arent able to go through wallks and stuff again? The Geist doesn't exist in Purgatorio.
With all of the context taken int consideration as one it is pretty clear that it is intangible. The one making huge assumptions is you, acting like the Geist being intangible only comes from one word as opposed to a handful of sources coupled with consistent showings throughout the series.
Its only showings of actual intangibility go hand in hand with what its exclusively possessing. Theres been nothing showings its intangible to regular physical attacks, or the fact that Aura is needed to hit them. These are the assumptions you've made and if you're scanning anything, prove this.
It does when said possession power involves physically entering matter in order to take control of it.
Yes. Its intangible to perform that. It has never shown intangibility outside of possessing something either though. And how WOULDNT this be considered phasing intangibility?
It ran away after Harriet punched through the wall, yes. Before that it was effectively just floating in front of Blake while she unloaded into it.
It was attacking Blake. If Blake hit the geist, prove it. Otherwise she was scared, panicking and didnt get it RIGHT after it was physically attacking her
Prove that it only goes intangible when it possesses things. The burden of proof is on you to do so.
Through the fact that this is the ONLY TIMES we've ever seen it go intangible.

You're asking me to prove whats literally been shown, but refuse to prove an example that instead DOESNT limit the intangibility. All we know about the Geists' intangibility is that he goes into the things he possesses. Thats it. If he has expanded range on this, YOU need to prove it.

Plus you're the one saying he doesnt have phasing intangibility?
It was in fact fully broadcasted as such. Hell the fact that Clover, a seasoned huntsman who has undoubtedly faced Geists before given he knew exactly how to beat it, even attempted to hook the Geist's body would be evidence that he can interact with its body if he hadnt missed
The hook wasnt. And clover is literally there to balance out Qrow. We cant 100% confirm every bad thing happening just cause of Qrow.

Yes. And this also applies to if the Geist's body wasn't intangible like you think it is. But you're hellbent on it being NPI
Its almost like the cast can hit intangible opponents or something.
Or the 'intangibility' is questionable maybe? One adjective that is unclear and can be taken in multiple ways usually isnt enough to confirm a verse-wide power.
Because an intangible creature is still able to attack stuff? Being intangible doesnt remove your ability to attack.
Yes it does? If its immaterial, and is passively intangible 24/7, then it cant interact since it cant control its own tangibility. If you can PROVE its a one-sided relationship, then by all means. But you cant. You have to overlap all of this with a bunch of assumptions

I could completely prove the Geist is tangible and you'd still say 'Well yeah but thats because its not intangible to 'X''
Nope

Only says remove, not kill.

Chills are stated in the lore to be incorporeal, and huntsmen have killed them before.
only says remove, not kill.
huntsmen have killed them before

Yeah mmk. It was a reddit post syaing they were incorporeal too.
The Chill is just as big of a point as the Geist. There are still feats of normal huntsmen killing Chills.
W h e r e ? ? ?

Where in ANYTHING has it said the huntsmen, the NORMAL huntsmen to add, has killed a Chill???
Except you havent, despite me begging you numerous times to do so. All youve done is demand others prove their points with evidence but refuse to practice what you preach because you know that there is no evidence to prove yourself right, so you just insult people and divert away from the fact that you have no way to prove anything you are claiming.
Actual mirror. You'll sit here and post a whole text excerpt that says nothing.

If YOU are claiming the Geist is immaterially intangible, YOU need to prove it. Because Canon has contradicted this by the fact the geist has been hit. you're looping around one aspect to make it fit literal contradictions
Yes, because that is the logical conclusion. What proof do you have that it is contradicting itself? The guidebook is primary canon, anything established in the guidebook is canon to the show.
Its not the logical conclusion, its just the conclusion you want so you can have RWBY fight Jojo stands or w/e
 
Has a Geist ever phased through a wall or anything with its mask?
Nope! It hasn't got 'phasing intangbility' somehow but it has 'immaterial intangibility' that makes it immune to physical attacks

Bro is making this up as he goes along after finding out theres a legit semblance that makes you actually intangible
 
Nope! It hasn't got 'phasing intangbility' somehow but it has 'immaterial intangibility' that makes it immune to physical attacks

Bro is making this up as he goes along after finding out theres a legit semblance that makes you actually intangible
Bro's really acting like discovering the existence of a phasing semblace is the ultimate trump card, acting like i havent read Before the Dawn and knew about Rosa's semblance for years lmao
 
Love how youre just ignoring all the other evidence that it is intangfible and claiming that the only thing that makes it intangible is that its based off of a ghost and nothing else. Not the fact that its outright stated to be intangible in the guidebook. Not the fact that it can enter inert matter at will in order to possess it. Nah, its only intangible because the directors and writers based it off of a ghost.
1 Adjective that the show contradicts to be intangible in the way you say so.

Having intangibility exclusively for possessing an object, yet also claiming they cant phase through walls or have 'phasing intangibility' doesnt make it immaterial and passively intangible

One dude you're liking the commnets of is literally tryna say you got 'immaterial' BECAUSE the Director based it off a ghost. Like how they base every creature of Grimm off something?

This is literally ALL your evidence. Elemental Intangibility is still PHYSICAL
Intangibility does not remove your ability to attack things by default.
It does if you're passively intangible and cant turn yourself tangible like you have been saying.

How tf does the Geist not get to decide when its tangible, while still trying to tangibly strike a character despite being in the same world/plane as them?
Do you not see the stupidity here? Its literally not Bayonetta in Purgatorio
 
If your issue is the “Non-Physical” aspect then that’s a fault of the name. The general ability would still be given to RWBY characters.
???

Elemental Intangibility literally uses physical substances what?

Are you saying someone elementally intangible via water, like Juvia from Fairy Tail, is the same as being incorporeal? or actually permable?
 
Bro's really acting like discovering the existence of a phasing semblace is the ultimate trump card, acting like i havent read Before the Dawn and knew about Rosa's semblance for years lmao
Ofc you do SuperRWBYFan234.

Why are you listed as an opponent of the verse btw bro 💀
 
???

Elemental Intangibility literally uses physical substances what?

Are you saying someone elementally intangible via water, like Juvia from Fairy Tail, is the same as being incorporeal?
No, that’s why they’re separated. Elemental intangibility would never be equated to someone being incorporeal.

Like I said, it’s a fault of the name. It’s not quite accurate for elemental intangibility.

You can have one type of NPI but not another, and therefore be useless against a different opponent.
 
No, that’s why they’re separated. Elemental intangibility would never be equated to someone being incorporeal.

Like I said, it’s a fault of the name. It’s not quite accurate for elemental intangibility.

You can have one type of NPI but not another, and therefore be useless against a different opponent.
Okay but NPI would still not apply if an opponent can merely 'interact' with Elemental Intangibility?

NPI is being able to touch and interact something you normally wouldnt be able to. That doesnt apply to like, 99% of the potential elements that can be made for.

Whats Non-Physical about a physical substance?
 
Okay but NPI would still not apply if an opponent can merely 'interact' with Elemental Intangibility?

NPI is being able to touch and interact something you normally wouldnt be able to. That doesnt apply to like, 99% of the potential elements that can be made for.

Whats Non-Physical about a physical substance?
As I said, it’s not really a discussion for this thread. You are actually correct about this, but it’s just a naming problem than a scaling one.

Either way, let’s just agree to focus on the Geist right now.
 
As I said, it’s not really a discussion for this thread. You are actually correct about this, but it’s just a naming problem than a scaling one.

Either way, let’s just agree to focus on the Geist right now.
Cool, but as long as it doesnt mean RWBY gets to have NPI just for a character being able to hit someone with 'elementally intangible' (Even though she has to actively choose to split herself up into sections, its not passive. Elemental Intangibility is just the best general way to describe the semblance in this wiki's terms).

Again, for the people in the back, Elements/substances in Elemental Intangibility are STILL physical world.
 
Cool, but as long as it doesnt mean RWBY gets to have NPI just for a character being able to hit someone with 'elementally intangible' (Even though she has to actively choose to split herself up into sections, its not passive. Elemental Intangibility is just the best general way to describe the semblance in this wiki's terms).

Again, for the people in the back, Elements/substances in Elemental Intangibility are STILL physical world.
The ability will remain, and it will be labeled as NPI until the name is changed.

Many, MANY other profiles have NPI for interacting with elemental intangibility, this is not just RWBY. Until the ability is changed/adjusted or a new one is made, it will remain as NPI when listed on the profile. You are proposing a Wiki-Wide change, that is no where near simple.

It will still be a downgrade since they will only have elemental, and not immaterial or incorporeal.
 
Cool, but as long as it doesnt mean RWBY gets to have NPI just for a character being able to hit someone with 'elementally intangible' (Even though she has to actively choose to split herself up into sections, its not passive. Elemental Intangibility is just the best general way to describe the semblance in this wiki's terms).

Again, for the people in the back, Elements/substances in Elemental Intangibility are STILL physical world.
She turns into a cloud of molecules when she uses her semblance, she doesnt have to think to do anything

For the person in the front with the industrial strength earplugs; hitting someone who has elemental intangibility is still NPI
 
The ability will remain, and it will be labeled as NPI until the name is changed.
Even though its not non-physical interaction.
Many, MANY other profiles have NPI for interacting with elemental intangibility, this is not just RWBY. Until the ability is changed/adjusted or a new one is made, it will remain as NPI when listed on the profile. You are proposing a Wiki-Wide change, that is no where near simple.
Such as?
It will still be a downgrade since they will only have elemental, and not immaterial or incorporeal.
Non-Physical Interaction for a physical-based power is crazy wha
We arent that much a machine to this place are we?
 
She turns into a cloud of molecules when she uses her semblance, she doesnt have to think to do anything
I mean until she doesnt, and she gets smacked out of her semblance. She still has some form of mass that she can be hurt by.
For the person in the front with the industrial strength earplugs; hitting someone who has elemental intangibility is still NPI
No way bro is tryna technicality this

Fr doesnt think grass is physical either probably
 
I mean until she doesnt, and she gets smacked out of her semblance. She still has some form of mass that she can be hurt by.


"Do not worry, Ruby is capable of traveling at an extreme velocity from one point to another by breaking herself down to her molecular components, thus negating her mass and then reassembling them at the destination, theoretically making it possible for her to transport all of us in the same way, as mass no longer matters."

Say it with me

thus negating her mass

mass no longer matters.
 
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