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A year makes sense to me too.I am fine with a 1 year ban, but it depends on what other staff members here think as well.
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Do I actually have freedom to speak my mind when it comes to Armor and Glass openly and be listened to on the matter?
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Well, those thoughts should be forwarded to HR.
I meant in regards to "a history of toxic behavior" and this being a potential continuation of it.
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I have known BD for quite some time and I wanted to say that he isn't intentionally malicious. He probably got upset at the frequent opposition from said Thread Mod and it weighed down on him over the years. This is not really uncommon and some ppl may feel as though they are targetted dued to frequent back and forths over the past few month regarding topics they feel strongly over.
I don't want to say he is in the right but I don't think he was being intentionally malicious and may have effected his judgement
I don't want to say he is in the right but I don't think he was being intentionally malicious and may have effected his judgement
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I am not getting the impression it is intentionally malicious either.
Still, it can be disruptive to openly accuse people of something rather than issue a report through the proper channels.
That is to say, if they genuinely believe what they say, my only recommended action here would be to urge them to go through those channels rather than lay blame publicly (assuming nothing else comes up).
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Just wanted to chime in real quick
I know me and BlackDarkness are avoiding each other atm but, speaking from personal experience, Glassman does have a tendency to maliciously target people he personally dislikes here. I myself have reported him to HR a few times in the past.
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I have gone through BlackDarkness' thread activity (specifically in threads he made since his last listed report in 2023, meaning no activity in other threads or older misbehavior).
Feb 2024 - After just a few polite replies from Glassman he already begins to act rudely and make accusations. "Its always nice to see you being incredibly stubborn and ignoring stuff to keep repeating the same old argument proven wrong" "Im not going to agree with unfounded reasonings against these two when they have no good basis". He continues to act rudely after my warning.
Jul 2024 - Glass comments disagreeing with a single ability and Darkness immediately responds with frustration "You again....and with your usual...." "Yeah no at this point i have literally no patience with this shit from you and Saman anymore to tolerate" (Saman had been perfectly polite in this thread so far). He continues to complain about double standards and bias for the rest of the debate. Planck69 warns him but he continues to act in a similar manner for the rest of the thread.
Jan 2025 - "You are notoriously known as incapable of understanding things in CRTs by many people, whether you believe in them has no relevance, thats what you are known as in general and for a reason, which you cant see the reality for it and call it "oh its just haters" when its not", against Glassman again. "So you keep ignoring and prove yourself incapable of reason, nice, keep that up, your reputation as staff will never ever change" "Learn to read and stop being a fool as always". He calls me one of Glassman's FRA pals which is really funny given I approved like three Castlevania downgrades in the last month and disagreed pretty harshly with him in a Blazblue thread lol. Lephyr warns him. Thread ends before he can continue to misbehave.
He has been warned three times (four if you count the newest thread) since his last official report warning by three different staff members and not improved his behavior in the slightest. Glassman can be stubborn but I don't think his behavior in these threads was at all questionable and while he's the main target of Darkness' frustration he is far from the only one.
Feb 2024 - After just a few polite replies from Glassman he already begins to act rudely and make accusations. "Its always nice to see you being incredibly stubborn and ignoring stuff to keep repeating the same old argument proven wrong" "Im not going to agree with unfounded reasonings against these two when they have no good basis". He continues to act rudely after my warning.
Jul 2024 - Glass comments disagreeing with a single ability and Darkness immediately responds with frustration "You again....and with your usual...." "Yeah no at this point i have literally no patience with this shit from you and Saman anymore to tolerate" (Saman had been perfectly polite in this thread so far). He continues to complain about double standards and bias for the rest of the debate. Planck69 warns him but he continues to act in a similar manner for the rest of the thread.
Jan 2025 - "You are notoriously known as incapable of understanding things in CRTs by many people, whether you believe in them has no relevance, thats what you are known as in general and for a reason, which you cant see the reality for it and call it "oh its just haters" when its not", against Glassman again. "So you keep ignoring and prove yourself incapable of reason, nice, keep that up, your reputation as staff will never ever change" "Learn to read and stop being a fool as always". He calls me one of Glassman's FRA pals which is really funny given I approved like three Castlevania downgrades in the last month and disagreed pretty harshly with him in a Blazblue thread lol. Lephyr warns him. Thread ends before he can continue to misbehave.
He has been warned three times (four if you count the newest thread) since his last official report warning by three different staff members and not improved his behavior in the slightest. Glassman can be stubborn but I don't think his behavior in these threads was at all questionable and while he's the main target of Darkness' frustration he is far from the only one.
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You can check along any other staff to see that in my threads I make or those I talk around mostly I have no history of toxicity
I dont enjoy to interact with Armor or Glassman at all, yet I am forced to do so because of they are staff, each time I make a thread where they are present, they oppose me, hand wave any comment on a subject to ignore
Former only knows to threat me in reports so I dont talk back, latter I have a screenshot sent way back regarding about what I am doing for the verse I work on mostly myself in a negative manner
I want these two to simply leave me alone
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Would it be a good idea if I place Glassman and Armor on BlackDarkness' ignore list and vice versa? However, I vaguely recall that it is not possible to do so for staff members.
Would it be fine for Glass and Armor to try to avoid BD as much as possible instead?
Would it be fine for Glass and Armor to try to avoid BD as much as possible instead?
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Respectfully no. If BD has a problem with them that's 1 thing, and if they show that problem in a thread then other staff can hold them accountable, but you can't really nuke the presence of thread mods from doing their job with a specific member cause the member doesn't like them.Would it be a good idea if I place Glassman and Armor on BlackDarkness' ignore list and vice versa? However, I vaguely recall that it is not possible to do so for staff members.
Would it be fine for Glass and Armor to try to avoid BD as much as possible instead?
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I am frankly tired of this becoming the default. If users can't behave themselves, then maybe they aren't fit to be a part of our community.Would it be a good idea if I place Glassman and Armor on BlackDarkness' ignore list and vice versa? However, I vaguely recall that it is not possible to do so for staff members.
Would it be fine for Glass and Armor to try to avoid BD as much as possible instead?
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Absolutely not. BD repeatedly pushes for unjustified abilities and inflated ratings on CRTs, and he is entirely in the wrong for getting upset when they are rejected. Unless you plan to also ban him from CRTs as a whole I cannot accept this.Would it be fine for Glass and Armor to try to avoid BD as much as possible instead?
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I cant behave?...whenever these two show up on my threads I am forced to argue each time over things that other staff accept when asked for input without issues, yet they reject each time proposals, but I am in the wrong for being tired of the same people opposing me...
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You are a liar, all my past threads till you appeared again have been accepted fairly by staff and after 48 hours, nowhere I suggested abilities or ratings injustified and inflated
You constantly reject anything I suggest for no reason and now you accuse me of putting things like that based on what basis?
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Maybe they were wrong, maybe I'd have agreed with those too. I evaluate things as neutrally as I can, and I reject plenty of stuff too.
You may disagree with them but I have always provided a reason when I disagreed with any ability you tried to add (or agreed with a reason given by another user). To say it was "for no reason" is blatantly false.
I am not accusing you of anything - I don't think you try to knowingly push for things you know are wrong, but as a thread mod I'm supposed to reject bad additions and you have in the past often tried to get things accepted that I thought were mistaken.
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On the current thread alone, after Glass explained his disagreement, even KT disagreed with you despite him initially accepting. So there's indeed a reason, you simply disagree with it. Which would normally be fine, but then you pull stuff like this.
So nah, after 2 warnings straight in that thread alone, combined with the warnings they have received throughout the past 2 years (one of them being my own), I would support a 3 month ban here. This is just unacceptable.
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Let this be known that this is the reason as to why multiple staff are required to evaluate things.
I was ignorant on certain concepts and certain rules that more experienced staff than me called out. My agreeal of your thread is not a "my thread is objectively right" card to where other staff who disagree are now in the wrong, and this applies to every staff and every member.
So if a staff agrees with your thread, let it be known that they are free to change their minds due to other reasons, and disagreeing with threads that other staff agree to is not "bias".
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I think this was the first CRT in 2021 where armor voiced his complaint about something about how Light speed works which is fair (KT and Lord griffin agreed to this)
I think there were around 10 or more CRTs which were approved without much contention although Amor did agree with this one it seems (mostly done by DDM and Saman Patou it seems)
These were disagreed from both glassman and amorchompy (which is completely fair, they are allowed to so do and it seems more recent but I think this is why BD thinks this way tbf)
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Why other verses are allowed to get abilities others dont, like in that CRT when its based on a similar basis, I pointed how two verses have NPI by the same logic, yet this one is rejected by standards others somehow dont abide to
Why are my explanations against the two ignored in many of these threads without being adressed most of the time, with remarks that I didnt give any proof or explained anything as response, many of the staff still agreed with what I proposed, very few changed their mind in these instances
Only I try to update this series mainly, a lot of times by myself, which nobody else does nor helps most of the time, I have nobody overall to be helping, on top of it being niche verse, under such circumstances its unfair and really discouraging to revise anything if Armor and Glassman just shut down whatever I propose, it kills any joy from trying to change after working on them big or small in contents
Why are my explanations against the two ignored in many of these threads without being adressed most of the time, with remarks that I didnt give any proof or explained anything as response, many of the staff still agreed with what I proposed, very few changed their mind in these instances
Only I try to update this series mainly, a lot of times by myself, which nobody else does nor helps most of the time, I have nobody overall to be helping, on top of it being niche verse, under such circumstances its unfair and really discouraging to revise anything if Armor and Glassman just shut down whatever I propose, it kills any joy from trying to change after working on them big or small in contents
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They got context or proof for it and/or the staff didn't pay enough attention and/or doesn't really matter, if your particular revision doesn't follow proper standard and Armor or Glass or anyone else catch it, it is what it is.
In the current thread, it wasn't ignored. They just didn't consider it enough, it is what it is. What other staff accept is irrelevant, Armor and Glass have their own opinion. That's that.
The first step is for you to realize they ain't out to get you, specifically. That's plain vanity. They are doing exactly their job as thread mods to point out the stuff they disagree with under our standards. If getting disagreements kills your joy of making revisions and debating, then frankly I don't know what to tell you. Those are the main things of our hobby. If they can't be convinced of your evidence/thoughts, wait for new staff that maybe can be. That's all that needs to be done.
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Given that BlackDarkness obviously isn't malicious, but rather just feels unfairly persecuted while trying to help our wiki's reliability, I think that a regular warning seems sufficient instead.
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Given that BlackDarkness obviously isn't malicious, but rather just feels unfairly persecuted while trying to help our wiki's reliability, I think that a regular warning seems sufficient instead.
Ditto.
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I believe an official warning is sufficient here. While his behavior may stem from feeling of being treated unfairlt, that does not justify his actions. Disagreements are common in any debate, and he must maintain a respectful tone regardless of the circumstances. Even if one finds themselves correct from their own perspective, infact often see their points as undisputed facts, it is important to remember that others feel equally justified in their own perspectives, a perceived error in a counter argument is never an excuse for hostility. Debates often involves interpretations of scans that varies even among staffs. Regardless of the position one takes, being respectful is necessity here @BlackDarkness679.
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If we are going to give yet another warning, I believe this should be the last chance. Like, dude has gotten so many at this point for the same exact behavior.
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Well, their offenses also seem to have been very minor, and based on frustration rather than malice, so even if we escalate later, it should probably be a very brief warning ban.
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Anyway, from what i saw, it seems like BlackDarkness isn't intentionally malicious, but rather he has a form of belief that he is right most of the time and anyone who disagree with him is wrong, and a second belief that Armor and Glass for some reasons are out to "get him". So all in all, he is acting out based on his belief, and we can't exactly stop anyone from having a belief and ban them
Though this doesn't mean his action have any excuse, it somewhat disruptive and affect other peoples as well, noth staff and the verse supporters, it is unavoidable to get heated in debate sometime, but there must be a line to stop that behavior, cool yourself down
Respectfully speaking, being frustrated isn't an excuse for you to act out like that, there should always be a line to stop. I get that he is frustrated that his argument is rejected, but by this logic, staff should also be frustrated as well because their evaluation was brushed off as biasness, attempt to downplay, etc...Well, their offenses also seem to have been very minor, and based on frustration rather than malice, so even if we escalate later, it should probably be a very brief warning ban.
His action is coming from frustration, but those actions also make others who face the end of them frustrated too.
I agree that if we give him a warning, this should be the last chance. If this incident repeated again, a full-blown ban isn't necessary cause he isn't intentionally malicious but a thread ban should be considered
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I'm fine with giving BlackDarkness an official warning, but given how often he behaves like this in several CRTs whenever anyone shows up to disagree with him, this should be the last warning he gets. If he acts up like this again, a ban should be in order as we can't just excuse the same behavior that does nothing but derail threads into unnecessary bickering on who's out to get who as opposed to just discussing what changes should be made to the pages.
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So... when is Sean's ban getting applied?
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Darkness has been warned like five times in the past, between threads and the RVR. I don't think another warning is going to achieve anything that the previous few didn't and I think a ban is very warranted.
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@Antvasima That doesn't excuse his behavior Ant. A lot of people get frustrated all the time on the wiki whenever revisions or versus threads don't go the way they hope it would. That doesn't mean they're allowed to make accusations left and right to the point of derailing an entire thread.
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I don't think Ant is claiming it excuses the behavior, just that it's a mitigating factor in deciding a punishment.
Someone who is just having an emotional moment is much more likely to reform and contribute in the future than one with genuine malicious intent.
Someone who is just having an emotional moment is much more likely to reform and contribute in the future than one with genuine malicious intent.
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Yeah. I don't think that there is ambiguity or divisiveness in saying that this is, perhaps, one of the most frustrating hobbies to partake in. It's not right that a user levels these grievances against the staff-- in theory, the staff are merely performing their roles, even if this leads to consistent disagreements with said user. But to an extent, we can err on the side of empathy. I don't want to give the "contributing user" shtick, but I do want to say that breakdowns are more or less anticipated.
What is most important, in my book, is how recently were they warned, and was it all for the same sort of behavior? Tonally, I imagine the answer to the second one is "yes", but I would like to make sure. As a lot of warnings don't quite make it to the Warning Tracker, I rely on you to (or anyone, really) to bring me the last formal warning handed down. The last (and only) one on the tracker was a year ago this week.
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As far as I know this is it, when it comes to thread warnings. Could be more, I only looked through the ones he made. Two in 2024, one in early 2025, for the exact same kind of behavior.
