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On a similar note, what was the duration of Strym's last ban? I think previous ban lengths should be considered when banning someone for a second time, but honestly I've said all I've needed to by this point
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Tbh Grath said before that she supports a ban, but wouldn't contest a last warning, thus I labelled her as neutral.
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I’m fine with a ban for both users, given how both of them already had a ban in the past, just extend whatever their previous length was and we’re good.
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I agree with Bambu, and am very sorry that he has grown tired from this entire situation.
This seems like a reasonable solution, so I I support it. Thank you for helping out.
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You have to make your instance clear...I agree with Bambu, and am very sorry that he has grown tired from this entire situation.
This seems like a reasonable solution, so I I support it. Thank you for helping out.
Do you agree with bambu who agrees with one month ban for fujiwara and do you agree with grath who proposed 2 weeks ban? Here is something that does not add up and I would also like to know what grath says about what glassman asked, since it is true that we have to consider the time a user has already been banned previously.
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Last ban was 2 months, so if we’re increasing lengths from previous bans I suppose it’d have to be 3 months for Strym.
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My apologies. I meant that I agree with Bambu's sentiments and DarkGrath's suggested ban times, but I personally think that 1 month for Fujiwara, due to a cumulative effect of apparently repeatedly deliberately causing controversy that is destabilising for our community, seems reasonable as well.
However, I think that our administrators can evaluate whether they think it is appropriate to ban Strym for 1 month or 2 months, and Fujiwara for 2 weeks or 1 month.
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I stated this before - I would like this to be a lenient, short-term ban intentionally. I want this to be a chance for them to take a short time away and see if they can improve once they are back. I'm aware these are not as strong punishments as certain aspects of the context may warrant, but I don't think it is necessary, or efficacious for this purpose, to extend the bans out far beyond what I've suggested. I stand by my original statement.
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Okay. On second thought I think that 1 month for Fujiwara seems appropriate, given the sheer number of past incidents, combined with her deliberate intent to cause destabilisation to our community, and her unforgiving and unreasonable absolutism.
And although Strym has sincerely apologised, and as such likely did not act out of hatred or genuine ill will, his sum total offences are still considerably worse, so maybe 2 months would be appropriate in his case? I am not certain though, as they were committed offsite.
And although Strym has sincerely apologised, and as such likely did not act out of hatred or genuine ill will, his sum total offences are still considerably worse, so maybe 2 months would be appropriate in his case? I am not certain though, as they were committed offsite.
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I'm fine with 1 month for Fujiwara and 2 to 3 months for Strym.
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1 month for Fuji, more than 2 months for Strym is fine by me.
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Delving into this case is the last thing I'd want to do for the sake of my mental health but a few people wanted me to share my opinion nonetheless, so here goes nothing.
I'm not sure why we're giving harsher punishments for Strym but lenience towards Fujiwara. Both of them have made distasteful jokes that are discriminatory and anyone can consider it offensive. Strym was banned for 2 months because of off-site harassment against ImmortalDread which had nothing to do with blurting enflamed nonchalant jabs. He hasn't committed the same offence as constantly and deliberately harassing another user off-site; his remarks towards Curry were insolent but it doesn't fall into the category of systematic persecution. If considering past offences as a precedent towards current cases without taking in the relevancy then @Twisted_Little_Raven should've been permabanned rather than given a 2-week ban + 2 months ban for non-recurring offences -- my point is that we don't do things this way; we need to determine if the current case has any correlation towards the past offence(s) in-order enact a harsher punishment.
Second of all, Strym has apologised for his off-site offences and comments; Fuji did not apologise for her derogatory distasteful nudges that were posted publicly on-site. As inferred in previous statements by Antvasima and Dereck03, Fujiwara has been reported and filed for her toxicity multiple times. Why is Strym considered a harsher punishment than Fujiwara? I don't understand at all. And as Dereck questioned, where's the equality in this handlement?
I, as a content mod, have no stake in the case but as a managing staff member, I feel like I should express my opinions on the management of this case and the precedents we are setting. I'd expect we'd at least give equal punishments to both of the accused -- 1 month of ban for both parties is fine.
I'm not sure why we're giving harsher punishments for Strym but lenience towards Fujiwara. Both of them have made distasteful jokes that are discriminatory and anyone can consider it offensive. Strym was banned for 2 months because of off-site harassment against ImmortalDread which had nothing to do with blurting enflamed nonchalant jabs. He hasn't committed the same offence as constantly and deliberately harassing another user off-site; his remarks towards Curry were insolent but it doesn't fall into the category of systematic persecution. If considering past offences as a precedent towards current cases without taking in the relevancy then @Twisted_Little_Raven should've been permabanned rather than given a 2-week ban + 2 months ban for non-recurring offences -- my point is that we don't do things this way; we need to determine if the current case has any correlation towards the past offence(s) in-order enact a harsher punishment.
Second of all, Strym has apologised for his off-site offences and comments; Fuji did not apologise for her derogatory distasteful nudges that were posted publicly on-site. As inferred in previous statements by Antvasima and Dereck03, Fujiwara has been reported and filed for her toxicity multiple times. Why is Strym considered a harsher punishment than Fujiwara? I don't understand at all. And as Dereck questioned, where's the equality in this handlement?
I, as a content mod, have no stake in the case but as a managing staff member, I feel like I should express my opinions on the management of this case and the precedents we are setting. I'd expect we'd at least give equal punishments to both of the accused -- 1 month of ban for both parties is fine.
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Let me simplify this for you:
- No cis person has ever been attacked, killed, or otherwise discriminated against on the basis of being cis. They are not an oppressed group.
- Over the past few years, in the United States alone, dozens of laws have been passed attempting to criminalize the mere existence of transgender people and violent attacks on the community happen with alarming frequency. I have personally had family members attack and attempt to kill me because they thought I might be trans. I had to run away from home for the sake of my own life and have not spoken to any of my relatives in over 4 years because of this.
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Fuji, with all due respect, this case revolves around the behaviour of you and Strym. If Strym really is a transphobe then that's a completely different story and should be handled differently but we currently do not have enough evidence to be certain that his mind purely revolves around hostile bigotry. Your comments can potentially raise political tangents so I'll not discuss about it here, but one thing I'll point out is that from a moral standpoint: it is right to treat all groups as equal whether they are a minority, oppressed, or not.
Though personally, I do genuinely apologise for the misfortune and tragedy you have gone through just for being a transgender person and I understand your feelings if your experiences were true. I myself and my family have been through discrimination during the COVID era, but it isn't right for me to think that we Chinese need to be more favoured and prestigiously treated better than other ethnic groups just because we've gone through hate crimes.
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"Not enough evidence" my brother in christ we have multiple comments of him stating he hates trans people, doesn't think they exist, and he's intentionally misgendered them both specifically (in regards to me) and in broad strokes. When people tell you who they are, listen.
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Garrixian, Antvasima directly instructed that only admins and bureaucrats were to provide further input. I can only imagine it was to avoid further this exact thing: the needless provocation of more drama. Do not continue to go back and forth with Fuji on this matter in the RVR.
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As a staff member, I have the right to express my thoughts on this matter and an admin even asked me to express my opinion here. The directions and discussions regarding this are indeed up to admins and thread moderators, but I hope you all consider my words. I'll back off this case, of course, already said I have no stake in determining where this will go.
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I would rather not come back to this but I feel discussion has come to a close, and not finishing this invites unnecessary drama. We drown in unnecessary drama, we don't need more.
As far as I can tell, the following stances are relevant and the last stated opinion of the relevant members:
As far as I can tell, the following stances are relevant and the last stated opinion of the relevant members:
The conclusion one draws from this is that Fujiwara will be banned for 1 month, and Strym will be banned for 2. I'm going to put through the bans now.
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Just so we are all clear - we are actually punishing Strym for off-site commentary through and through with this decision, as I 100% believe that not even Artorimachi (the person on the receiving end of Strym's call for suicide) is even truly upset about it at this point in time, as they verifiably confirmed to have accepted his apology whenever Strym did apologize (we share servers, I can see the conversations). If they had been they wouldn't have piled it on to this report that occurred months later and would have had a proxy post it on their behalf much earlier, where I think it would have actually mattered more.
I'm personally impartial to the guy, but I do believe he has been punished for nothing that has actually bled into his on-site conduct as of now.
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Thank you for helping out, Bambu.
Also, I am very sorry about how your family and society have extremely severely undeservedly mistreated you, Fujiwara, and understand that you are under very serious stress because of this.
I am personally uncertain if we should have banned Strym for 1 or 2 months, especially given his apology, but if I remember correctly there was a suicide encouragement toward another member involved as well.
However, at the end of the day, we are not an experienced court of law, that can find perfectly proportionate perfect solution punishments for all transgressions. We are just trying our best anyway, and this turned into a very complicated mess for us to attempt to solve, with no perfect solutions that make everybody happy available.
Also, I am very sorry about how your family and society have extremely severely undeservedly mistreated you, Fujiwara, and understand that you are under very serious stress because of this.
I am personally uncertain if we should have banned Strym for 1 or 2 months, especially given his apology, but if I remember correctly there was a suicide encouragement toward another member involved as well.
However, at the end of the day, we are not an experienced court of law, that can find perfectly proportionate perfect solution punishments for all transgressions. We are just trying our best anyway, and this turned into a very complicated mess for us to attempt to solve, with no perfect solutions that make everybody happy available.
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This is a reasonable approach in my eyes.
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i would like to bring this up this guy keep making matches even when we told him or her (I'm not sure what is his/her pronounce) we have on going revision threads , that's all I won't commenting about this further
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Me and the staff have already dropped this case.
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you guys never told me about the revisions and i haven't made a rimuru match in like 5 months???
you should have never commented in the first place
now you created more drama for no reason
i should be the one reporting you for pinging me for no reason and trying to add more fuel to the fire
you clearly saw that there are more important matters going on in this thread but you still decided to bring up and necro an irrelevant topic
Also Goku solos
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I feel like it's self-explanatory.
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I don’t have an anime scan of it rn, prob could get it in a few days though. I don’t think it matters, because my scan comes from the omega website so it should be fine. Alright, then I'll create chaos.
I feel like it's self-explanatory.
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Excuse me for asking, by why is it self-expanatory? Is showing extreme hate towards a character that is the porblem, or him going into the thread to say this?reporting @Ped2018 for this comment
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I don’t have an anime scan of it rn, prob could get it in a few days though. I don’t think it matters, because my scan comes from the omega website so it should be fine. Alright, then I'll create chaos.
I feel like it's self-explanatory.
I am geniuly curious so i can understand the rules better.
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That's not a character, it's the author. He is wishing a violent death upon another person.
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Stop cluttering the thread, all of you.
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I've deleted the non-staff comments aside from the initial request for clarification and the reporter's response explaining that the comment in question is about the author and not a fictional character.
For all others, this is not a venue for public discussion about the rules or to give your opinion about the viability of reports. You should only be commenting if you personally want to report someone or are responding to a report. I feel like this has gotten especially out of hand lately, so I am going to be adding these to the warning tracker and keeping a closer eye on it. If you do this too many times, you're going to be restricted from making comments on this thread.
For all others, this is not a venue for public discussion about the rules or to give your opinion about the viability of reports. You should only be commenting if you personally want to report someone or are responding to a report. I feel like this has gotten especially out of hand lately, so I am going to be adding these to the warning tracker and keeping a closer eye on it. If you do this too many times, you're going to be restricted from making comments on this thread.
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I commented that they not make comments like that in the future.reporting @Ped2018 for this comment
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I don’t have an anime scan of it rn, prob could get it in a few days though. I don’t think it matters, because my scan comes from the omega website so it should be fine. Alright, then I'll create chaos.
I feel like it's self-explanatory.
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I think a very strict warning could do for now; unsure if the what controversies author in question is known for, but public death wish claims are not tolerated by Fandom TOS or this platform.
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From what I can tell, this is not a matter of the author being involved in controversy, it's just a complaint about the author -- who is now in his 70s -- writing slowly and his work not being as good as it used to be. I am of a mind that we should take a harsher stance at a comment that publicly calls for the violent murder of an old man for no other reason than he isn't writing fast enough or not his writing decisions.
I think we should at least apply a short ban here, preferably something like 2 weeks to a month.
I think we should at least apply a short ban here, preferably something like 2 weeks to a month.
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I agree that Ped is being a bit of an ass, but it was clearly a joke. One made in poor taste, but certainly nothing to get our tourniquets in a twist over.
I consider this a titanic overreaction. A warning to knock it off and keep that kind of talk to somewhere else should be enough. Someone should check if Ped has a warning tracker though, and how long ago any other warnings might've been.
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He has one warning from Apr 2024 for a rude comment, nothing else on the tracker since then. Our perspectives simply differ here, but I believe a ban of 2-weeks length is relatively inconsequential but has the effect of underscoring how firmly we are against something like this. Firm warnings, in my opinion, are for stuff like toxic arguing or rude comments. Not stuff like saying an author should be "killed with hammers" (wtf?) even if it was a joke.
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I wanna report @Dinozxd due to his attitude towards Classroom Of The Elite verse.
I simply believe he is intentionally going against the verse for the following reasons:
1) One day I was talking with @Dekusolos (one of Dino's friend who is currently banned from this wiki who participated in Tokyo Revengers discussion when he was active) and I found out that Dino participates in Classroom Of The Elite discussions even tho he only reads the fights and know very very little about the serie.
Deku was even sending me ways to upgrade Classroom Of The Elite to piss Dino off, which implies Dino doesn't want the verse to be upgraded.
2) I notice something in some recent threads:
To give context this calc was recalced by Dino and after by me for the most recent version.
The first time the calc has been recalced by Dino, he mentioned how the two characters aren't relative at all (link), he even keep promoting this here (link), he even used an argument like "I believe they should be faster than what the calc suggests so the calc should be removed"...
Well, when I recalced it I got a result of x2-3 which, based on the previous replies, should be fine by Dino but when I tried to replace it the difference between the two character wasn't as big as the calc suggested... (link), to prove this claim he showed a scan of the slower character almost hitting the character omitting the part where the faster character had his vision wavering before the kick which invalidates his argument.
So he changed idea contradicting himself and both arguments were meant to downgrade the calc, he even omitted a part only showing half the context of a scene in order to remove the calc, even after his initial doubt (the calc not showing their huge speed gap) was solved with the recalc.
3) I also want to mention another thing:
Here we see he agrees that a feat should be Subsonic+ due to the anime interpretation being the best, when I made the CRT in order to add the calc using the anime version Dino didn't commented; I find it odd that he always participates and has problems with the CRTs but once he would have agreed he doesn't partecipate.
4) I also found odd his attitude in a recent vs match that involved a character from said verse (Ayanokouji, who is from Classroom Of The Elite, vs UI Daniel, from Lookism, another verse that Dino doesn't support):
First he argued against Ayanokouji, this on his own isn't report worthy of course but I find it weird that he claimed he isn't willing to apply some changes to a Lookism's profile due to not supporting the verse (Link) but he is apparently willing to debate for it for 30 replies; honestly, given his little interest for Lookism, this makes me think the purpose of that long discussion he had was another.
I'll also mention he kept making fallacies during the discussion such as NLF here (last part of link), where at first he claimed Daniel would be able to adapt to Ayanokouji's AnPr even tho it was never shown to being able to and when I tried to make him see the flaw in his logic he ignored my point.
5) For all it's worth I wanna add this statement made by Vapour, another statement made by Dino that even tho it's outside the wiki it shows a level of toxicity towards Ayanokouji (main character of Classroom Of The Elite) and this other reply he made (link).
In conclusion I believe he just participates in the discussions to go against the verse more than helping it.
I simply believe he is intentionally going against the verse for the following reasons:
1) One day I was talking with @Dekusolos (one of Dino's friend who is currently banned from this wiki who participated in Tokyo Revengers discussion when he was active) and I found out that Dino participates in Classroom Of The Elite discussions even tho he only reads the fights and know very very little about the serie.
Deku was even sending me ways to upgrade Classroom Of The Elite to piss Dino off, which implies Dino doesn't want the verse to be upgraded.
2) I notice something in some recent threads:
To give context this calc was recalced by Dino and after by me for the most recent version.
The first time the calc has been recalced by Dino, he mentioned how the two characters aren't relative at all (link), he even keep promoting this here (link), he even used an argument like "I believe they should be faster than what the calc suggests so the calc should be removed"...
Well, when I recalced it I got a result of x2-3 which, based on the previous replies, should be fine by Dino but when I tried to replace it the difference between the two character wasn't as big as the calc suggested... (link), to prove this claim he showed a scan of the slower character almost hitting the character omitting the part where the faster character had his vision wavering before the kick which invalidates his argument.
So he changed idea contradicting himself and both arguments were meant to downgrade the calc, he even omitted a part only showing half the context of a scene in order to remove the calc, even after his initial doubt (the calc not showing their huge speed gap) was solved with the recalc.
3) I also want to mention another thing:
Here we see he agrees that a feat should be Subsonic+ due to the anime interpretation being the best, when I made the CRT in order to add the calc using the anime version Dino didn't commented; I find it odd that he always participates and has problems with the CRTs but once he would have agreed he doesn't partecipate.
4) I also found odd his attitude in a recent vs match that involved a character from said verse (Ayanokouji, who is from Classroom Of The Elite, vs UI Daniel, from Lookism, another verse that Dino doesn't support):
First he argued against Ayanokouji, this on his own isn't report worthy of course but I find it weird that he claimed he isn't willing to apply some changes to a Lookism's profile due to not supporting the verse (Link) but he is apparently willing to debate for it for 30 replies; honestly, given his little interest for Lookism, this makes me think the purpose of that long discussion he had was another.
I'll also mention he kept making fallacies during the discussion such as NLF here (last part of link), where at first he claimed Daniel would be able to adapt to Ayanokouji's AnPr even tho it was never shown to being able to and when I tried to make him see the flaw in his logic he ignored my point.
5) For all it's worth I wanna add this statement made by Vapour, another statement made by Dino that even tho it's outside the wiki it shows a level of toxicity towards Ayanokouji (main character of Classroom Of The Elite) and this other reply he made (link).
In conclusion I believe he just participates in the discussions to go against the verse more than helping it.
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I think that this evaluation makes sense.
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@Zefra3011
With all due respect, not a single thing you mentioned is even remotely report-worthy, and this sorta sentiment:
That user can participate in whatever discussion he wants, and choose to not participate in whatever discussion he doesn’t wanna participate in; just like you can.
Sincerely, someone who also happens to be a COTE supporter.
With all due respect, not a single thing you mentioned is even remotely report-worthy, and this sorta sentiment:
Is pretty odd.
That user can participate in whatever discussion he wants, and choose to not participate in whatever discussion he doesn’t wanna participate in; just like you can.
Sincerely, someone who also happens to be a COTE supporter.
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Reading through this, I don't believe pretty much anything here rises to the point of being even warnable.
1) The point appears to be that Dinozxd doesn't want the verse to be upgraded. This is not a rule violation.
2) This appears to be that Dino flip flopped inconsistently between two stances which were contradictory, but held the common goal of achieving a downgrade. While I agree this is not ideal, and that people should be consistent in their views even if the outcome results in an upgrade/downgrade they dislike, this is just far too mild to take any action against and it happens every day on the site.
3) It's also not uncommon for verse opponents/supporters to simply refrain from commenting when they actually agree with something that runs contrary to their agenda. I again agree this is not ideal, but it happens every day on the site.
4) Being willing to debate in a VS match up involving a verse does not mean someone has to participate in CRTs about it. This is not reportable at all.
5) These are merely mild off-site comments about how he feels about certain scaling stances.
This is a total nothing burger, I'm not even willing to support a warning here whatsoever.
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I didn't get notified from the tag for some reason so I saw the report kinda late. I know a few mods already handled the matter but I wanna reply as well as the report was specifically made aganist me.
That's just a change of mind, not inconsistency. People can change their opinions on subjects...
Yeah, you're just yapping atp.
I only participate in powerscaling parts of Classroom Of the Elite, which doesn't require me to know the verse entirely.
That scan holds no value at all as it just seems to be a sarcastic comment made by my friend and also, not wanting the verse to get upgraded isn't a rule violation.
October 23 2023 to May 19 2024....
That's just a change of mind, not inconsistency. People can change their opinions on subjects...
I debated this topic aganist an another user on how the vision wavering stuff wouldn't affect the character seeing the kick, which you didn't include in the report. You made me look like I was hiding scans in this report on purpose when I already acknowledged it and debated aganist it.
The reason I couldn't participate in the CRT is how I was too late for it and it was already close to conclusion, so I just left it...
I don't have little interest on both verses at all. I have knowledge on both verses so I wanted to participate in a thread that includes both characters.
