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[noninho]

Uh I don't think RVR is for reporting debate fallacies, I think RVR is for reporting toxic/disruptive behavior more or less

I agree to this point, but it matters here via being remarked on Discussion Rules page and making discussing extremely annoying
As it has been recurringly a point that TR as a verse is involved, it surely is fair to put it here

 

[DarkGrath]

I would like to note that, despite suggesting a thread to discuss the topic, I very much disagree with removing Tokyo Revengers from the wiki.

The reason I suggest making a thread is so that the arguments for and against the topic can be expressed without further weighing down the RVR, as this is both an inappropriate topic to use the RVR to discuss + there are several hanging reports that still require our attention. With this in mind, I would like to ask that the topic is dropped now.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I would like to apologize in advance in my recent behavior in some VS threads where @DekuGlazer and i were in

I would like to apologize to him for insulting him and some others as well, As i was clearly frustrated but it still is no excuse

But i cannot tolerate some things regarding him such as;

Mikey VS Meld - The match was pretty fair, Both have viable wincons, they are both close to AP, Mikey has alot of equipment and can activate DI to makes things fair - The moment @DekuGlazer, @TheDarkTriadz see Mikey is losing they instantly say it's a spite match as seen above this comment

Mikey VS Xande - Mikey has AP advantage, Has DI, And prior knowledge - Where in turn the moment they see Mikey is losing they just call it a spite match

Mikey VS Dazai (I made this VSthread as i wanted a fun matchup and good start for the BSD which is severely outdated) - Mikey has AP advantage, LS advantage, DI and is bloodlusted - This time they started inventing new abilities to somehow downgrade Dazai and keep ignoring every proof we give and making a ton of assumptions and telling they debunked everything where in reality they didn't and also invalidate votes as they start to see Mikey is losing - Basically the moment they see Mikey is losing, They call it a spite match out of nowhere

This is the reason i was so stressed with the user, Again, I would like to and will apologize for everything i did to him as it was in no way justified

 

[Antvasima]

Hi, I am sorry for bothering you here but i couldn't stay silent about this either. I know another thread might pop up later down the line but i might as well say it here.
I think that instead of deleting the verse, we should freeze it. As in, ban all CRTs in regards to it and ban trying to get calcs for it accepted and finally just straight up lock all the profiles there. There are many verses that are inactive on our wiki and are pretty much frozen despite their series being ongoing, but nobody complains about that, so maybe doing that with this verse would be better as, even though it is only 9-B, it is a pretty big manga/anime, so wiping it out of existence might not be a good option. Additionally we'd be playing into vapourr's hands as he'd end up "winning" in the sense that he'd force us to delete a verse because of him, making it a "If I can't have it, no one can" situation.

If you are heavily against freezing the verse then ig another variant is to give very specific trusted people power over the verse and nobody else so that they can actually keep it updated as long as they break no rules.

If you think my suggestions aren't worth consideration then delete this reply.

These seem like good ideas to me at least.

Maybe we can combine them with a versus thread ban for the verse as well, given the frequent toxicity in such threads that was reported above?

 

[Deagonx]

I've made this thread to address the matter of TR on the wiki so that we can avoid discussing the matter further here.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

It looks like he was already brought up on this page of the thread, but this user keeps changing statistics of Scream characters without a CRT

Some of the edits are good, they're just adding feats, but changing stats and removing feats is another story. I understand why they're doing this, as sometimes it isn't clear which character is doing what (the killers all wear the same costume), but I would prefer that be settled in a CRT

 

[TheShape03]

It looks like he was already brought up on this page of the thread, but this user keeps changing statistics of Scream characters without a CRT

Some of the edits are good, they're just adding feats, but changing stats and removing feats is another story. I understand why they're doing this, as sometimes it isn't clear which character is doing what (the killers all wear the same costume), but I would prefer that be settled in a CRT

I was about to report it. I've been reporting this user for a while, he always does the same thing. I mean, he obviously has no bad intentions, but they need to make it clear to him that he needs to do a CRT to change notable things.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Agreed.

For how long do our other staff members think that we should ban that member?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Yes. Agreed.

For how long do our other staff members think that we should ban that member?

For me, something like a week or two should be more than enough. He just needs to follow instructions and that's it. As has been noted, his changes were reasonable, and would've no doubt been accepted in a proper CRT.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will apply a 2 weeks block then.

 

[Antvasima]

I have done so now:

User contributions for HorrorHistory | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Mr. Bambu]

How about a two weeks ban combined with a link to one of our instruction threads on their message wall then?

This seems fine with me, for the record. I had been asleep.

 

[Therefir]

The user Albert-Keinstein1 has been vandalizing some of the AoT profiles, and was previously warned for the same reason.

 

[Dereck03]

Wasn't this user topic banned for any DBZ related for 6 months?

All his recent content is commenting on any Dragon Ball thread.

 

[KingNanaya]

Wasn't this user topic banned for any DBZ related for 6 months?

All his recent content is commenting on any Dragon Ball thread.

yes, they were

 

[Deagonx]

@MeiouHades

 

[GarrixianXD]

I suspect them to be a sockpuppet of SeiyaRyuSeiKen.

SeiyaRyuSeiKen

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[MeiouHades]

yes, they were

I saw my restriction was lifted in the general thread so I thought it was removed?

 

[Dereck03]

Who has the right to revoke a topic ban that was agreed upon by many staffs without even informing or discussing the reason in this thread? Not even a bureaucrat can do that without further discussion.

 

[MeiouHades]

Who has the right to revoke a topic ban that was agreed upon by many staffs without even informing or discussing the reason in this thread?

I suppose the answer is no one, but I thought it was revoked because the general thread ban was revoked as well (which to my knowledge was supposed to be revoked with the topic ban)

 

[KingNanaya]

I suppose the answer is no one, but I thought it was revoked because the general thread ban was revoked as well (which to my knowledge was supposed to be revoked with the topic ban)

Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Let the jannies decide, you three.

vsbattles.com

I do not mind if you add a thread ban to the Dragon Ball general discussion thread that lasts for as long as the general topic ban.

6 month topic ban, including from the general thread

 

[MeiouHades]

Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Let the jannies decide, you three.

vsbattles.com

6 month topic ban, including from the general thread

Well crud, I misinterpreted his message completely. I guess deleting all my previous comments on DBZ threads won’t work?

 

[KingNanaya]

Well crud, I misinterpreted his message completely. I guess deleting all my previous comments on DBZ threads won’t work?

I don't believe there's much of a point in doing that

 

[noninho]

i'm reporting @DekuGlazer for Fallacies abuse (Appeal. To. Motive. fallacies, Fallacy Fallacy) Blatantly ignoring posts (and claiming his haven't been answered (i've answered this post too, he just answered to Zetsu's and said it)), Creating a power for his opponent claiming somehow it makes the character who he supports not killable by it (starts here, somehow despite many tries, he stayed with this point for much time starting on it), refusing to add a vote without a reason (giving himself the power to do so), and claiming i'm doing rule-breaking posts without a base.

the threads i noticed it were
Xande vs Mikey
Dazai vs Seven
Ayanokouji vs Jiu Jitae

it's become pretty annoying to discuss with this guy.

can i bump this? sorry if i can't

 

[MeiouHades]

I don't believe there's much of a point in doing that

Mega fumble on my part

 

[CloverDragon03]

From my POV this looks like an honest misinterpretation so I think a warning should suffice here. If this happens again, the topic ban should be extended, but it doesn't seem right to do that over what seems like a genuine mistake

 

[BreezeHM]

Changing Tiers to Eren's profile, I reverted the edits

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Changing Tiers to Eren's profile, I reverted the edits

He had a warning in... 2021. I've bumped the warning.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

He had a warning in... 2021. I've bumped the warning.

Would u mind seeing this ?
This is being ignored

Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

As I said elsewhere, my impression is that JTGamer96 is a well-intentioned member who is genuinely trying his best, but that his neurodiverse mentality makes it very difficult for him to handle social drama, hostility, and emotional or social complexity. I have been there myself, and no, people...

vsbattles.com

 

[DarkGrath]

Would u mind seeing this ?
This is being ignored

Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

As I said elsewhere, my impression is that JTGamer96 is a well-intentioned member who is genuinely trying his best, but that his neurodiverse mentality makes it very difficult for him to handle social drama, hostility, and emotional or social complexity. I have been there myself, and no, people...

vsbattles.com

I would like to personally apologise on behalf of the staff for the delayed response to your report. To be blunt, it is incredibly inappropriate how long we have taken to address this matter, and neither you nor any other users should have to wait for such an extended period to receive a response on an important report. I will go through the provided links and respond to your situation ASAP.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

I would like to personally apologise on behalf of the staff for the delayed response to your report. To be blunt, it is incredibly inappropriate how long we have taken to address this matter, and neither you nor any other users should have to wait for such an extended period to receive a response on an important report. I will go through the provided links and respond to your situation ASAP.

Thanks for ur precious time

 

[DarkGrath]

Thanks for ur precious time

Would it be possible to hear from SparxGaming12 directly? Whether through Discord, or an alt account, or anything of the sort? I can believe that someone who engaged in their conduct nearly a year ago would have had enough time to acknowledge and address their lapses in behaviour, but merely the fact that someone could do that doesn't mean they did do that. I would like to hear SparxGaming12's case directly to have a sense for how he has changed in the (nearly) year since the original report.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Would it be possible to hear from SparxGaming12 directly

yeah i think its possible, i can make an arrangement, Tho he isn`t online right now, but when ever he came online i will share it with him. so that he can contact you through discord.

 

[DarkGrath]

yeah i think its possible, i can make an arrangement, Tho he isn`t online right now, but when ever he came online i will share it with him. so that he can contact you through discord.

Thank you. That would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Would u mind seeing this ?
This is being ignored

Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

As I said elsewhere, my impression is that JTGamer96 is a well-intentioned member who is genuinely trying his best, but that his neurodiverse mentality makes it very difficult for him to handle social drama, hostility, and emotional or social complexity. I have been there myself, and no, people...

vsbattles.com

(I'm in the midst of some other stuff and only occasionally, sporadically checking in, even though it says I'm online)

I'll try to take some time to go through this.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Would u mind seeing this ?
This is being ignored

Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

As I said elsewhere, my impression is that JTGamer96 is a well-intentioned member who is genuinely trying his best, but that his neurodiverse mentality makes it very difficult for him to handle social drama, hostility, and emotional or social complexity. I have been there myself, and no, people...

vsbattles.com

As said earlier, I mentioned being fine with the ban lift.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

As said earlier, I mentioned being fine with the ban lift.

@Antvasima said it need more admin thoughts so i was just asking for others opinion.

 

[noninho]

i'm reporting @DekuGlazer for Fallacies abuse (Appeal. To. Motive. fallacies, Fallacy Fallacy) Blatantly ignoring posts (and claiming his haven't been answered (i've answered this post too, he just answered to Zetsu's and said it)), Creating a power for his opponent claiming somehow it makes the character who he supports not killable by it (starts here, somehow despite many tries, he stayed with this point for much time starting on it), refusing to add a vote without a reason (giving himself the power to do so), and claiming i'm doing rule-breaking posts without a base.

the threads i noticed it were
Xande vs Mikey
Dazai vs Seven
Ayanokouji vs Jiu Jitae

it's become pretty annoying to discuss with this guy.

I would also like this to be acknowledged, noone answered to it yet

 

[Tatsumi504]

I would also like this to be acknowledged, noone answered to it yet

Fallacies are not report-worthy on their own. However, depending on the context, frequently making fallacies can be indicative of report-worthy behaviour - for example, hostilities, stonewalling, and disruptive/inconducive conduct in discussions can be a product of intentional or unintentional fallacies. If someone is being reported for making fallacies, the important question is whether the act is contributing to something that is report-worthy, not whether the fallacy itself was made in the first place.


Which ties into all this.

Some of the comments you have listed are legitimate concerns. Spite threads like the one made by NotoriouSoda, while not anything severe in isolation, are report-worthy and warrant a warning if done repeatedly. I also do not condone the comments by First_Witch, Deceived3596, and XxZetsuxSX, which only served to needlessly add fuel to the fire that has been Tokyo Revengers threads. None of these are serious offenses, but it would not be appropriate or fair for the staff to condone these comments when very similar comments have led to warnings in past circumstances.

That being said, the majority of this is not anything substantial. I can see that you are upset with these people, but claims about a person being correct/incorrect with particular comments adds nothing to a report on its own, and this is what most of these links amount to - claims that a person said something which was incorrect. Frustrations over disagreements with particular topics of discussion, claims that someone is not being logical, calling someone biased (or claiming they falsely called someone else biased), and other notions of that sort are not bases for a reporting someone else.

I would rather leave this with a few instructional warnings for the aforementioned users and move on.

 

[DarkGrath]

I would also like this to be acknowledged, noone answered to it yet

I'll take a look.

@Tatsumi504 , that reply of mine was not in response to noninho's report. It was in response to TheDarkTriadz's report.