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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

A permaban for Lindsay for the propoganda she had against Antvasima is 100% justified yes.

As for Nostredam, downplaying Dragon Ball and other verses is one thing that could be forgiven if done only briefly until proven wrong, but constantly recycled a bunch of repeated arguments is indeed obnoxious. And then he makes comments like this on the God of War thread where he straight up insults the entire wiki and poisons the well against KLOL. He might have time to post here, but I don't have high hopes for him and more or less the conditional branch suggested by Mr Bambu sounds reasonable.
 
Planck69 said:
While I heavily disagreed with his arguments against the thread, it was mostly harmless until people actually started replying in that God of War thread, whereupon it devolved quite rapidly into that rather pretentious message and rage-quit.

Something similar happened on the Dragon Ball Super thread as well and I think their Cthulhu Mythos thread too. They seem to be quick to anger and take arguments against them and some of their (quite frankly misinformed) takes as personal slander and react far too caustically to that.

I'd be OK with a ban if it was on the table but I'll see what you all think.
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Their Cthulhu Mythos thread can be closed (https://vsbattles.com/threads/cthulhu-mythos-content-revision-downgrade.153388/) by their request.
 
Antvasima said:
As for Nostredam, if he hates this community, antagonises others, uses an inappropriate banner, and calls KLOL506 "vermin", that seems to warrant some sort of ban in my viview
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I mean? Others like Georr and Klol were not easy either. Also, KLOL always declare opposing comments as irrelevant and derailing which happens to me as well. I don't get his way of debate if he can't leave this passive aggressiveness in the posts.

Not defending Nostredam since I did not witness the deleted messages, but to simply declare that he is the only need to get punished is horribly wrong because I would act the same if I was debating against Georr and KLoL.

In matter of fact, he was fine till he gets insulted in the debate.

And this literally happens to everyone who disagree there (well almost)
 
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Sir_Ovens said:
I can unban them if you wish.
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I don't think we should allow this person to come back, they entered a thread on an important topic, only to derail it with completely random and unwarranted insults towards Ant, who hasn't even said anything controversial during the entire thread.

And the way they write this "apology" between many quotation marks gives me the idea that they are not quite right in the head, because who in their right mind would do what I have just described and then proceed to claim it was a joke?
 
ImmortalDread said:
I mean? Others like Georr and Klol were not easy either. Also, KLOL always declare opposing comments as irrelevant and derailing which happens to me as well. I don't get his way of debate if he can't leave this passive aggressiveness in the posts.

Not defending Nostredam since I did not witness the deleted messages, but to simply declare that he is the only need to get punished is horribly wrong because I would act the same if I was debating against Georr and KLoL.

In matter of fact, he was fine till he gets insulted in the debate.

And this literally happens to everyone who disagree there (well almost)
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Well, calling him "vermin" is not acceptable in any case.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, calling him "vermin" is not acceptable in any case.
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While I don't intend to defend his actions, I believe that completely banning him may not be the most effective solution, considering his ongoing frustrations with Klol and Georr. Personally, I have managed to handle the situation and maintain respect to the best of my ability, but not everyone may be capable of doing so.
 
Therefir said:
I don't think we should allow this person to come back, they entered a thread on an important topic, only to derail it with completely random and unwarranted insults towards Ant, who hasn't even said anything controversial during the entire thread.

And the way they write this "apology" between many quotation marks gives me the idea that they are not quite right in the head, because who in their right mind would do what I have just described and then proceed to claim it was a joke?
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Schrodinger's Asshole.

I'm neutral on unbanning them, I find it difficult to interpret what they're saying. Mad suspicious that their first actions on site amount to insulting the head of the wiki, though.
 
Well, I suppose that they can probably stay banned to avoid future incidents.

Although technically speaking I think that Amelia and Matthew have both said considerably worse things about me, and they are free to visit here if they wish, but they also have a long history of helping our wiki to a great degree, so they receive greater leniency.
 
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Antvasima said:
Well, I suppose that they can probably stay banned to avoid future incidents.
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Mr._Bambu said:
Regarding @Lindsay2023: Low edit count, barely coherent, directly attacking Ant for a wiki wide revision, it reeks of bad faith.
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They were solely doing it intentionally and personal. Simply leave them banned since they were also trying to abuse your quick forgiveness habit in the message wall. I mean, it ain't no way, that can be a joke. He is full aware, that he will get banned for that.
 
ImmortalDread said:
I mean? Others like Georr and Klol were not easy either. Also, KLOL always declare opposing comments as irrelevant and derailing which happens to me as well.
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Because Nostredam's arguments were legitimately horrible in every facet imaginable, when even Planck says they're pure BS you know something's up. They were tenfold worse than the arguments you were making.

ImmortalDread said:
I don't get his way of debate if he can't leave this passive aggressiveness in the posts.
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I honestly don't get why you of all people would see it like that, given that none of the profanities were targeted at anyone as an insult, given that they solely targeted the logic of the arguments in the thread. This is literally how many of us talk here on this server and we don't take offense to it ourselves, and there was no name-calling on my part either.

ImmortalDread said:
Not defending Nostredam since I did not witness the deleted messages, but to simply declare that he is the only need to get punished is horribly wrong because I would act the same if I was debating against Georr and KLoL.
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Man was legitimately stonewalling with irrelevant points that went above and beyond against the entire point of the CRT and had some really hilariously bad takes that logically and narratively make no sense with regards to the context of the franchise. I don't get how you can say this considering all of that.

ImmortalDread said:
In matter of fact, he was fine till he gets insulted in the debate.
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Yes, and here I thought I could make him see reason. Guess not.

ImmortalDread said:
And this literally happens to everyone who disagree there (well almost)
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Once again, I will lay it out loud, I absolutely did not name-call anyone in that thread, nor was I using my profanity or directly targeting it at anyone, I was targeting it solely at the logic of some of the arguments and even going out of my way to explain why they were wrong, and I really don't get what you find so passive-aggressive about them, this is literally the way I talk and how many other staff members here talk, you get used to it. However, when direct name-calling and insults did take place in that thread, I went out of my way to warn both sides not to push it.
 
ImmortalDread said:
While I don't intend to defend his actions, I believe that completely banning him may not be the most effective solution, considering his ongoing frustrations with Klol and Georr. Personally, I have managed to handle the situation and maintain respect to the best of my ability, but not everyone may be capable of doing so.
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As for this particular comment, I disagree, he was frustrating us more with his arguments that were not at all relevant to the OP at hand and were covering aspects that heavily contradicted the contextual and narrative intent of the game's events at hand that no longer even tackled OP, even Planck of all people had to point out to him that his takes were asinine.

And when I told Nostredam that we should agree to disagree since neither of us were willing to go back-and-forth on this further and that I simply couldn't be bothered to retackle the same old arguments he kept making that I addressed in prior comments throughout the thread, he decided to just jump the gun and open old wounds from yesteryear or so and then insult me for absolutely no reason.
 
@ImmortalDread I won't lie and say that there wasn't any aggression on the supporters side, in fact it quite disappointed me at times, but I would advise you not take every single use of profanity as a personal mark against you as opposed to a crass manner of speech. Our disagreements aside, KLOL didn't mean it to come of that way and I would hope the rest didn't as well. If it did then consider this an apology from me on the state of the thread.


@KLOL506 I do heavily agree with you in that a lot of the arguments from Nostredam were misinformed or in bad faith but generally, it'd do well to try to be a bit calmer in conveying that. To others, even if you don't mean it, it can come off as belligerent or aggressive. I can understand the feeling though.

Generally, this isn't the sort of thing to continually butt heads over for both of you.
 
KLOL506 said:
Because Nostredam's arguments were legitimately horrible in every facet imaginable, when even Planck says they're pure BS you know something's up. They were tenfold worse than the arguments you were making.
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Which in matter of fact, your personal opinion of people's argument quality is irrelevant. You were doing this to me, and you were doing to any opposing side.
Learn not to attack people because you are simply dealing with an opposed side.
KLOL506 said:
I honestly don't get why you of all people would see it like that, given that none of the profanities were targeted at anyone as an insult, given that they solely targeted the logic of the arguments in the thread. This is literally how many of us talk here on this server and we don't take offense to it ourselves, and there was no name-calling on my part either.
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Because this is not the first time, you were literally involved in the previous heated arguments months ago, and we had the same literal discussion, you literally have an issue with dealing opposing side without involving some salty personal takes (Your argument is garbage, Ay I can't handle the guy)
KLOL506 said:
Man was legitimately stonewalling with irrelevant points that went above and beyond against the entire point of the CRT and had some really hilariously bad takes that logically and narratively make no sense with regards to the context of the franchise. I don't get how you can say this considering all of that.
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No he was not. All his comments were related to the cosmology, to verse and supporting his arguments. You are not the one who choose to decide if opposing sides seems to be derailing.
KLOL506 said:
Once again, I will lay it out loud, I absolutely did not name-call anyone in that thread, nor was I using my profanity or directly targeting it at anyone, I was targeting it solely at the logic of some of the arguments and even going out of my way to explain why they were wrong, and I really don't get what you find so passive-aggressive about them, this is literally the way I talk and how many other staff members here talk, you get used to it.
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You were, Klol, you have absolutely no idea how hard we can debate if you use this aggressive provocative tone in debates.
I don't care if this is how you talk, but literally chill out dude, this is not the first time you are doing this
KLOL506 said:
However, when direct name-calling and insults did take place in that thread, I went out of my way to warn both sides not to push it.
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Which is perfectly fine, you are the only supporter who is fair, but your passive-aggressive tone can be improved.
 
Planck69 said:
@ImmortalDread I won't lie and say that there wasn't any aggression on the supporters side, in fact it quite disappointed me at times, but I would advise you not take every single use of profanity as a personal mark against you as opposed to a crass manner of speech.
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There were, I was literally off my limits when he always calls other people's argument garbage, or not related or derailing. I am being complete honest and open, the person was fine till he got those type of insults.
Planck69 said:
Our disagreements aside, KLOL didn't mean it to come of that way and I would hope the rest didn't as well. If it did then consider this an apology from me on the state of the thread.
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I never said Klol do this intentionally, but I am saying this is the reason why people have no patience to deal with someone who is constantly calling their arguments' garbage.
 
I don't mind, Klol generally is a good friend, and he was trying to balance the thread as much as he could (he needs to earn thread moderator for those achievements), but simply, it is not the first time, and I am simply trying to see from other person's perspective and see why he changed his behavior, and the fact is, he did not change it till he got those type of passive-aggressive non-personal insults.
 
Honestly don't get what's so passive-aggressive about using a few profanities here and there not even targeted at people but at the arguments which is remotely nowhere near the same as the Bleach thread or the same as actually targeting the people who made the argument but honestly we've gone back-and-forth on this matter for far too long, so let's just agree to disagree and drop the topic like Ant said, if it really bothers you so much then I won't speak to you in that kind of manner specifically anymore.
 
What was the concensus on Lindsay?
I feel like, unless they don't care about being banned, that they should be given a second chance.

From what I've seen from them, they were rather tame until that really random and rude post, but I don't think it was worth a permanent. Especially as a first time offense I do not see how a permanent ban was warranted, and I'd hope you'd reconsider either a warning or a shorter ban sentence.

I don't actually know this person but this specific punishment felt too triggerhappy so I thought I would throw in my two cents - despite not actually being involved in the matter/not being staff.
 
Damn, if I constantly call people's arguments garbage, horse shit and declare them as derailing or irrelevant because I dislike it, and specially as a staff member? Ya, people won't have their patience, specially new users.

Maybe I had my patience, because I know that responding to them will make my position weaker but not everyone do the same.

It is not matter of me, I already accepted your way of tone from this discussion
https://vsbattles.com/threads/rule-violation-reports-new-forum.107529/post-5597113

And hence I did not respond to any, but don't except anyone in the community to do so, specially new users.
Nierre said:
What was the concensus on Lindsay?
I feel like, unless they don't care about being banned, that they should be given a second chance.

From what I've seen from them, they were rather tame until that really random and rude post, but I don't think it was worth a permanent. Especially as a first time offense I do not see how a permanent ban was warranted, and I'd hope you'd reconsider either a warning or a shorter ban sentence.

I don't actually know this person but this specific punishment felt too triggerhappy so I thought I would throw in my two cents - despite not actually being involved in the matter/not being staff.
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They are now perm-banned from Bambu.
 
Antvasima said:
So what do our other staff members think we should do regarding @Lindsay2023 and @Nostredam respectively?
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KLOL506 said:
Not sure about the former, but for Nostredam, CloverDragon, DarkDragonMedeus and Planck seem to agree on a ban, and Bambu himself doesn't seem keen to entertain Nostredam either based on his above comments.
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Planck69 said:
I wouldn't know. A month maybe?
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I know I'm not a staff member but after reading through the threads, I think it needs to be said that it's highly suspicions that @Nostredam joined the Wiki very recently then immediately posts downgrade (decently formatted) CRTs for well known popular verses and/or opposes upgrades for them (DBS, GoW, CM, etc), is antagonistic/provocative to the verse supporters, has a quite disturbing profile banner, insults the Wiki yet is very familiar with it's the standards and in the end doesn't really care for the consequences of his actions like they've got nothing to lose.

I mean come on, if this isn't blatantly a sock or proxy of a already banned user then I'll be genuinely impressed but the actions and speech patterns speak for themselves imo but I'll leave it to the staff to further investigate (I know we give some leverage/a benefit with a doubt to new users but there is way too much convenience at this point).

I won't comment anything else on the RVR but I believe this subject was important enough to be brought up, pardon my intrusion.
 
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I will note, the "vermin" insult also seems familiar to the insults someone said on a Spanish blog on DMC regarding me and that MrBallins comment. Not accusing anyone of socks or having made an account with the intent to antagonize wiki members, but still something to keep in mind. That's all I have left to say on the matter.
 
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Hi there, I know you can say something here if you have something to add, so I just wanted to say a little bit about Nostredam. It won't make much difference since he apparently left the wiki.

I can't say much about other CRTs, but I was watching the one from DBS Finite Universe. On that CRT he was fine and was answering everyone he could. DB supporters at the beginning, in addition to complaining a lot without presenting many arguments, did not answer everything or bring up unnecessary things (like a director who has already been told that you cannot use what he says).

For example, on page 2 it had this:
Endless denial, hyperbole, and poetry, that's all.
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and of course the moment I give props, someone gotta sour it

This is such a blatantly incorrect summary, I'm tempted to just delete it.

The actual summary: The counterarguments have lacked any sort of organization, are all over the place, some don't even address the proper problems as raised by the OP, which still proposes a reasonable take on the whole thing: While the translations may be correct, the portrayal overall is inconsistent, which coupled with the fact that the wordage used is more in support of hyperbolic descriptions, suggest they aren't meant to be taken literally.
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- Message from LephyrTheRevanchist

That's why Nostredam said that "Anon" was biased at the end of the thread. He was making concise arguments and "Anon" was saying it.
LephyrTheRevanchist even gave "Anon" a warning about it.

And even with that, in the middle of the CRT, Nostredam made another giant post trying to answer all the counterarguments so far.

Only at the end of the CRT, when things were already accepted, did counter-arguments emerge.

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I know that his behavior saying that someone's argument was "irrelevant" or that he doesn't "answer the thing", can be a little aggressive. But honestly, with all due respect to KLOL506, I take this on a par with calling someone else's argument Garbage or that it's derailing.

Furthermore, I consider DB supporters on the topic of the Finite Universe to be much more aggressive than Nostredam.
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Well that's just my take on just a portion of the things that happened. It's not the absolute truth because I haven't seen everything and I don't even know Nostredam's nature. I'm just giving my view on part of the events and I'm not saying whether Nostredam is a bad person or not, because I have no power to judge that.

Good morning.
 
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Phsccarvalho said:
Hi there, I know you can say something here if you have something to add, so I just wanted to say a little bit about Nostredam. It won't make much difference since he apparently left the wiki.

I can't say much about other CRTs, but I was watching the one from DBS Finite Universe. On that CRT he was fine and was answering everyone he could. DB supporters at the beginning, in addition to complaining a lot without presenting many arguments, did not answer everything or bring up unnecessary things (like a director who has already been told that you cannot use what he says).

For example, on page 2 it had this:

- Message from LephyrTheRevanchist

That's why Nostredam said that Luffy was biased at the end of the thread. He was making concise arguments and Luffy was saying it.
LephyrTheRevanchist even gave Luffy a warning about it.

And even with that, in the middle of the CRT, Nostredam made another giant post trying to answer all the counterarguments so far.

Only at the end of the CRT, when things were already accepted, did counter-arguments emerge.

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I know that his behavior saying that someone's argument was "irrelevant" or that he doesn't "answer the thing", can be a little aggressive. But honestly, with all due respect to KLOL506, I take this on a par with calling someone else's argument Garbage or that it's derailing.

Furthermore, I consider DB supporters on the topic of the Finite Universe to be much more aggressive than Nostredam.
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Well that's just my take on just a portion of the things that happened. It's not the absolute truth because I haven't seen everything and I don't even know Nostredam's nature. I'm just giving my view on part of the events and I'm not saying whether Nostredam is a bad person or not, because I have no power to judge that.

Good morning.
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I don't know what warning he gave me, but he didn't give me any warning, he told me to get everyone together to post all arguments, so that it can be read for every topic, and we decided to let this topic go, because the arguments were not very good when it was imposed and there were already 3 team members in favor, later we were going to do another one and there is also the side of we don't understand Japanese to see if it's right, so we left this CRT aside, because it would not harm anything, I don't know why you mentioned it my name, since it has nothing to do with me.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
because the arguments were not very good
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Weren't the arguments good and why didn't they respond? The staff members looked at the OP and agreed. If the arguments were bad, it wouldn't even be accepted, because it would be easily refuted. You guys had all the time in the world to refute the topic, but you guys only started to respond right at the end and prefer to open another topic than to answer the already opened one.

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
another one and there is also the side of we don't understand Japanese to see if it's right
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And yet they used this type of message that does not refute anything.

Even better, we had Executor_N0, a translator that you guys called on the CRT, and what did he say? He agreed that the phrases may not be used as literals even if they have the "Mugen" in them.
Basically this "it depends" is the case for all the things here, both from different words used to mean "infinite", "endless", etc, and also "spread out, expanding". Looking into other examples, it could be perfectly fine to interpret something "spreading out infinitely" as being "something that has an end, but is in constant expansion" or just "it's infinite and always expanding". Both cases can be seen as valid interpretations of it, and I see no reason why one should be "the standard over the other". It all boils down to the interpretation of the work and how it's used (As there's no deep and perfect meaning that you can always extract out of something by knowing Japanese perfectly, uniqueness in the fictional work sometimes will bring out new meanings that can become so common that they sometimes become the new norm).

As such, the end of the thread already gives another reason to discuss it, as even if there were just uses of "mugen" isolated without any word about "expansion", it could still be something to be contested in regards to how the cosmology itself works in experience, and that seems to be the biggest reason why it might be better to not see the world of DB as being usable infinite.
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Anything, just ask him, since he was already participating in the topic, for example, asking if it would be better to use the literal or not. But nobody did that, he passed almost unnoticed by the topic.

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
ecause it would not harm anything, I don't know why you mentioned it my name
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I used you as an example. If you want, I can remove everything that bears your name and leave it as anonymous phrases.
 
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Phsccarvalho said:
Weren't the arguments good and why didn't they respond? The staff members looked at the OP and agreed. If the arguments were bad, it wouldn't even be accepted, because it would be easily refuted. You guys had all the time in the world to refute the topic, but you guys only started to respond right at the end and prefer to open another topic than to answer the already opened one.


And yet they used this type of message that does not refute anything.

Even better, we had Executor_N0, a translator that you guys called on the CRT, and what did he say? He agreed that the phrases may not be used as literals even if they have the "Mugen" in them.

Anything, just ask him, since he was already participating in the topic, for example, asking if it would be better to use the literal or not. But nobody did that, he passed almost unnoticed by the topic.


I used you as an example. If you want, I can remove everything that bears your name and leave it as anonymous phrases.
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I think it's better to remove me from this, don't use me as an example, because your context is all wrong, it was after I said that I would no longer participate in this CRT and would create my own topic that he started to treat me badly, please stop tagging me without my permission as I had nothing to contribute to him getting this ignorant attitude about people.
 
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