Ruby's "Intangibility"

[DraycoMakargo]

Someone removed elemental intagibility from Sandman's page. I don't know why because the page on intagibility says he's an elemental intagibility user.

I really don't like that description for Elemental intagibility. The examples they include is strictly everything non-solid. The description might need to be modified.

 

[Jinx666]

It doesn't matter if it's done passively or manually, it still qualifies as elementals intangibility
It doesn't matter if rhe material is conventionally tangible or conventionally intangible, it still qualifies for elemental intangibility

Unless you want to try to argue that aoukiji and crocodile dont have elemental intangibility as ice and sand arent intangible materials

No, Splitting yourself up manually to dodge an attack isnt Elemental Intangibility. Splitting yourself up into 3 parts also does not mean you are suddenly immune to physical atatcks since you are ONLY DODGING

Yeah, but you also need to show that you have it. You're all assumming that.

You literally just said they didnt have EI cause ice and sand were solid. Wait to ignore

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No, I said that they do have it and that by your argument they wouldn't because sand and ice arent intangible materials

Ruby disperses into petals every time she uses her semblance and has displayed the ability to turn into a well dispersed cloud at the end of her fight with the beringel

Youre once again arguing solely from disbelief while everyone else is telling you otherwise

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Either way it seems like this is gonna be a thing in debates. Ruby is not perfect in the usage of intangibility so that means she can get tagged a lot more than before.

Also I'm pretty sure the Logia users of OP are so much more different than RWBY considering they're made out of the materials itself while Ruby turns into said materials as an ability.

 

[Jinx666]

But yet again.

Ruby has shown to be able to be hit by physical attacks. It was never stated she mastered it, she has never shown to use Elemental Intangibility at all, you're all assuming for blatant wank, You got two of your most notorious blue name followers spouting out FRA and irrelevant points, and quite frankly another RWBY Thread turned to chaos

This is why i dont do CRT, you aren't going to ever listen. Admins aren't supposed to be bias exclusively to their thoughts, heck, admins shouldnt have any higher powers of their opinions being more important than anyone elses, theyre here to keep peace and maintain the wiki. Not rig everything and block out other people

 

[DraycoMakargo]

@Jinx

Weekly was more or less saying that since Ruby "doesn't have EI," then Crocodile and Aoukiji don't either. They made a parallel is all.

 

[DraycoMakargo]

I'd settle for limited EI. It's definitely not perfect and I feel Ruby still has space to grow.

 

[Jinx666]

No, I said that they do have it and that by your argument they wouldn't because sand and ice arent intangible materials
Ruby disperses into petals every time she uses her semblance and has displayed the ability to turn into a well dispersed cloud at the end of her fight with the beringel

Youre once again arguing solely from disbelief while everyone else is telling you otherwise

https://gyazo.com/79f37f4dd54af5338d96323d1ab1cdcd


No, she hasnt, since that wasnt a cloud. Petals creeping up a clock tower, slowly might i add, whereas shes supposed to have a speed amp, isnt justifiable. Especially when petals were coming out in her human form. Exactly after that scene

No, not everyone, literally just you and your brigade of FRA.Controlling everything because you abuse your powers of admin. The only reason you havent banned me forever is because it would only prove you do so, and you have literally nothing other than positive contributions to the wiki on me. Except i oppose you in a 'rude' way all the time.

And im in disbelief because its never ACTUALLY happened. The exact opposite of Ruby being hit in this form HAS happened

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@CoB Not what is being argued, what I'm saying is that some logia characters have EI from non intangible materials like ruby does

 

[Jinx666]

@CoB Not what is being argued, what I'm saying is that some logia characters have EI from non intangible materials like ruby does

Interesting though? Logia characters have EI because they've actually shown having attacks go through them due to this state.

Ruby has not. You cant compare logia and semblances, especially when these abilities are different for multiple reasons

 

[WeeklyBattles]

People agree with me = im abusing my powers as an admin. This is literally your go-to argument for when anyone on the staff disagrees with you.

 

[Nico-v11]

Splitting oneself into multiple things to avoid harm IS elemental intangibility especially when it involves turning yourself into something else.

If it's not then what would you call it? I'm open to calling it something else but intangibility seems to be the most fitting.

 

[DraycoMakargo]

@Weekly

Why doesn't Ruby have EI pre-timeskip again?

 

[Jinx666]

People agree with me = im abusing my powers as an admin. This is literally your go-to argument for when anyone on the staff disagrees with you.

Jesus you have to be as vague as possible dont you to make it sound stupid.

It isnt that people agree with you, its you agreeing with you on things you arent even sure of yourself. You cant even provide evidence. You literally would not change anything if there was a majority of clearly non bias people because you just love RWBY too much. Idk why, and i like it too, but at least i know when somethings bs. Such as you saying Ruby has intangibility when shes literally never shown to be able to survive an attack because of it, AND the fact shes NEVER used it in combat, and therefore you cant say its such a big decider in her vs battles.

And this isnt even a good example. How about the multiple times youve completely reversed all votes against, surprise, a RWBY character, and locking pages after i usefully edited them. I added all of Ravens Attacks/Techniques, and a key that would avoid confusion, and give her an extra tier. (And a thread you just couldnt for the life of you respond to asking you why. Which you ignored and just called it harassment.),and instead call it vandalism, then you get away with it cause of your status. Thats Admin abuse

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Drayco Because mercury was able to physically kick her while she was using her semblance pre-timeskip

 

[DMB_1]

and locking pages after i usefully edited them.

That kind of reminds me of almost every Godzilla kaiju ever, even the fodder ones

 

[DraycoMakargo]

@Weekly

Okay, now what post-timsekip shows that's not the case?

 

[Jinx666]

Splitting oneself into multiple things to avoid harm IS elemental intangibility especially when it involves turning yourself into something else.
If it's not then what would you call it? I'm open to calling it something else but intangibility seems to be the most fitting.

No, thats dodging. Otherwise she wouldnt have needed to split herself. Theres a difference.

Transformation. She transforms into rose petals. Simple, which give her Speed Amp, body control etc. Shes never shown to have attacks go through her, which is what intangibility is. Shes harder to hit in this form, but ultimately isnt immune to physical attacks

 

[Nico-v11]

@Weekly

Why doesn't Ruby have EI pre-timeskip again?

She got kicked and hurt by Mercury while using her semblance

 

[Jinx666]

@Drayco Because mercury was able to physically kick her while she was using her semblance pre-timeskip

And again, prove she can go EI post timeskip. Cause she could still burst into rose petals pre timeskip. by your logic, she should still have it

Its shown or implied NOWHERE that shes mastered it, to the point shes now immune to physical damage since it just passes through her

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Weekly

Okay, now what post-timsekip shows that's not the case?

Her blatantly turing into a a cloud of well dispersed petals as well as being able to split into three coulds of petals to avoid attacks in her fight against the beringel

 

[Jinx666]

@Weekly

Okay, now what post-timsekip shows that's not the case?

Her blatantly turing into a a cloud of well dispersed petals as well as being able to split into three coulds of petals to avoid attacks in her fight against the beringel

She hasnt shown to turn into dispersed Rose petals, that was her trail. The proof is that she was spouting these roses in her human form. And wasnt in her petal form. Which is a central cluster of roses, barely dispersed rather than a trail.

Splitting yourself in 3 to dodge an attack is separate to elemental intangibility, they have to actively dodge an attack now dont they rather than letting it pass through them, what intangibility is.

Nothings shown for it to be EI, it hasnt done what EI can do, and therefore it isnt intangibility

 

[DraycoMakargo]

Her blatantly turing into a a cloud of well dispersed petals as well as being able to split into three coulds of petals to avoid attacks in her fight against the beringel

Jinx provided a reasoning for how she was able to avoid that. She had to seperate herself rather than the Beringel seperating her. This goes against what EI is. Wouldn't that mean she still doesn't have EI?

 

[Nico-v11]

@Jinx we have told you. I have told you that it's implied and shown that she's improved tremendously on her semblance. Also she does NOT need to master her semblance in order to have Elemental Intangibility.

I've asked you a Punch a times what you would call her breaking into 3 parts of rose petals would be called if not Intangibility? She doesn't get hurt when breaking apart such as avoiding the boulder.

It's just very low tier Intangibility is all

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Jinx So now i cant even argue my own points without it being an abuse of power, good to know. I have provided evidence but your sheer disbelief that you could even possibly be wrong wont let you accept it.

i have only reverted pages after you vandalized them with edits that were not only not accepted, but almost unanimously agreed to be wrong, as is my job on this wiki to do.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Jinx provided a reasoning for how she was able to avoid that. She had to seperate herself rather than the Beringel seperating her. This goes against what EI is. Wouldn't that mean she still doesn't have EI?

No, it just means its not a passive ability, it doesnt mean its not elemental intangobility as its jot a requirement thatbit has to be passive

 

[Jinx666]

@Jinx we have told you. I have told you that it's implied and shown that she's improved tremendously on her semblance. Also she does NOT need to master her semblance in order to have Elemental Intangibility.
I've asked you a Punch a times what you would call her breaking into 3 parts of rose petals would be called if not Intangibility? She doesn't get hurt when breaking apart such as avoiding the boulder.

It's just very low tier Intangibility is all

Implied shes IMPROVED. Not mastered. And it HASNT implied she has Elemental intangiblity, now has it? You're assuming she has it, thats all, with no evidence, or even a wicke of weaker elemental intangibility in her pre timeskip

Transformation. She turns into rose petals. But actively, when she turned into 3 separate trails, thats splitting. Body Control, like ive already said. Where the hell have i said that her not getting hurt in this form wouldnt hurt her.

It isnt intangibility at all. Dodging by splitting =/= Intangibility.

Yet again, from the same mind who gave us RWBY characters turn their aura on and off so they can breathe. I dont take you seriously Nico, because well, you resort to saying some of the stupidest stuff ive ever heard just to keep up a false point. This isn't your fight, clearly

 

[DraycoMakargo]

"Elemental Intagibility: The ability to become intangible by transforming into a substance, such as wind, fire, or water, making it so that most attacks merely disperse them instead of truly damaging them..."

The decription pretty much implies it has to be passive. And in Sandman's case it's passive.

 

[Jinx666]

Jinx provided a reasoning for how she was able to avoid that. She had to seperate herself rather than the Beringel seperating her. This goes against what EI is. Wouldn't that mean she still doesn't have EI?

No, it just means its not a passive ability, it doesnt mean its not elemental intangobility as its jot a requirement thatbit has to be passive

Splitting yourself up to create a hole =/= to elemental intangibility. She wouldnt need to split if it was EI, and she hasnt shown it to activate non passively

Lets give you an exmaple you'll possibly understand. Remember the mirror gem fight in Steven Universe. When Garnet punched other Garnet in the face and it reformed, Thats EI

when The water Amethyst made a huge hole to avoid getting hit by a rock, that was more body control and dodging. In this case, Ruby has shown what the water amethyst did. And while Water Amethyst has got EI AND body control, im merely using it as an example on the difference between the two.

 

[Jinx666]

@Jinx So now i cant even argue my own points without it being an abuse of power, good to know. I have provided evidence but your sheer disbelief that you could even possibly be wrong wont let you accept it.
i have only reverted pages after you vandalized them with edits that were not only not accepted, but almost unanimously agreed to be wrong, as is my job on this wiki to do.

Once again, blatantly reading the whole thing wrong. Its when you enforce your opinions to always be right. Like how you reversed all the votes on Yang vs Chisaki because YOU thought it was wrong. And the fact that 'forcefields dont have molecules', even though thats nowhere stated on the wiki and is your own deluded view to try and get Chisaki vs Yang nullified. Which you did

They were accepted actually. Rep gave me permission, even through gritted teeth. You mean unanimous by the group that ALWAYS agrees with you. Seriously, you're like a gang leader, your lackeys only follow along because youre admin, and are scared of opposing you, understandably, or they just cant think for themselves. It isnt wrong, there is a form of Raven without the maiden powers, that makes her a different tier? You deff can argue that Maiden powers cant be turned on and off, and are always present

Infact, you blatantly ignored the thread behind my reasoning, you obviously didnt 'miss' it, and just couldnt argue.

Why on earth would that be wrong.

 

[Jinx666]

"Elemental Intagibility: The ability to become intangible by transforming into a substance, such as wind, fire, or water, making it so that most attacks merely disperse them instead of truly damaging them..."
The decription pretty much implies it has to be passive. And in Sandman's case it's passive.

Exactly, she actually had to DODGE the incoming projectile by splitting herself. Shes never shown to have it passively pass through her, which is what the definition of this wiki states.

Its not like this will even help Ruby in combat, shes never used it actively before, and she can only use it when using her semblance, which she mainly uses for escape and mobility.

 

[DraycoMakargo]

I agree with the removal. If Ruby does at some point showcase she's avoiding an attack by just turning into petals (which would be cool imagery of her exploding into petals), then I agree she should have EI.

 

[DMB_1]

If I turn myself in a bunch of pigeons that can fly in different directions to dodge an attack, does that make me intangible?

The answers: of course not.

Same thing with Ruby.

 

[Jinx666]

I agree with the removal. If Ruby does at some point showcase she's avoiding an attack by just turning into petals (which would be cool imagery of her exploding into petals), then I agree she should have EI.

Exactly. And so do i. So overall, taking into account Poin not making his mind up, and the fact Nico was open to calling it something else other than intangible, which i gave to him.

For: Me, DMB1, Drayco, Dziga, COIB

Against: Weekly (no surprises), Ever

 

[Kadmus_Prime]

I'm heavily confused on why Ruby having elemental intangibility is such a big problem. She turns into a cloud of rose petals, that honestly should be enough.

IMO the way I see it, she doesn't have auto intangibility like Logia Devil Fruit Users. Sure she has to do it manually but it's still something. I mean Delsin Rowe can turn into smoke/light particles bu is still able to be shot while in those forms but he still has the intangibility.

An argument can also be made that Ruby mainly transforms into a psuedo-elemental state that isn't fully intangible as seen when she got kicked by Mercury. But is still capable of turning to a dispersed form of rose petals as seen when she climbed the clock tower.

And no that kind of movement was not just rose petals trailing behind her, because there is no showing of rose petals following her like that and all times when there was a trail they fall straight to the ground or were dispersed all over the place.

So all in all, from my observation, she can turn into a well-dispersed cloud of rose petals and being able to split to avoid attacks whether automatic or manually she can have elemental intangibility. Or reach for a middle ground... wait can there be a possibly added to an ability under that section? Or would it make more sense to say limited?

 

[DraycoMakargo]

@Kadmus The profile for EI implies it's passive, which is the case for other users like Sandman. Ruby had to split herself to avoid the attack. And Ruby is seen with a trail of roses following her almost all the time. Without her semblance may I add. She probably just spontaneously creates them. There's no problem with her having it, but having the most informative analysis of a charcater is what this site tries to have.

 

[Jinx666]

-Yes, but the petals have shown not to protect her from physical attacks like Mercs kick

-Shes never shown to be able to actually block an attack by EI, and has shown the opposite. We cant say she has it due to it being 'logical'. Its honestly a problem for me cause Weekly uses it like its a deciding factor, despite Ruby never showing, nor thinking to use it in battle

-Yeah, except the petals from the clock tower was her trail from her human form, and not her rose form, as shown after she smashes through the glass, we see noticeable slow petals spouting out of her. She also cant travel that slowly in her normal form, so its not her. Plus, it just showing to be spread, with nothing else like that being shown, cant really justify all of it. It was along the staircase, thats how petals would usually follow if she was climbing.

If anything, the point suggests she may be able to spread the petals depending on her speed, but thats never been confirmed nor implied, since she always has a solid cluster. In fact, the whole scene there was just for some effect anyway, and its not like its used to stop an attack

-Splitting her body =/= Elemental Intangiblity. She needed to dodge by making a large gap inbetween clusters.

-It would be, if shes actually proved its legit EI though too. Cause right now, its merely assumptions due to the fact she can merely burst into smaller rose petals. And Assumptions on powers they havent displayed should be a massive no-no. It also wont help the fact that its apparently a good reason why Ruby wins a lot of her stuff according to Weekly, despite Ruby NEVER turning to it, or using it in combat. I mean, they also gave her Duplication because of theV.4 trailer, when she clearly cant duplicate herself. I honestly just want to help fix up the RWBY part of the wiki.

 

[DraycoMakargo]

...Ruby had duplication at some point?

 

[Jinx666]

...Ruby had duplication at some point?

Yep, that was one of the things i took on my own whim to delete, and thank god no one decided to revert it. Just saw Ruby in the top page for the 'Duplication Users' category and immediately called it out

Nvm, turns out she now has 'Pseudo-Duplication'. Not even getting into that now.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Im more than sure that wont be used in combat. I hope