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King just stop you're wasting your time on this particular argument
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ruby rose vs overhaul
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She didn't kill that Grimm, and that isn't what was being argued anyway. She needs to sever Overhaul's arms in order to stop him from healing himself over and over. To do that, she needs to cut both of his arms off before he can regenerate one of them with the other. To do that, she needs to blitz with her Semblance.
What she did there was just run into a Grimm with her Semblance on, which no one said she can't do. To attack with her scythe, she needs to come out of her semblance. Overhaul can react to people blitzing him though, so she never manages to do so.
I guess you can say she can ram Overhaul now, but that just puts her in close range for his cqc, which he heavily outclasses her with.
What she did there was just run into a Grimm with her Semblance on, which no one said she can't do. To attack with her scythe, she needs to come out of her semblance. Overhaul can react to people blitzing him though, so she never manages to do so.
I guess you can say she can ram Overhaul now, but that just puts her in close range for his cqc, which he heavily outclasses her with.
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Her ramming Overhaul will oneshot him as the grimm she killed has the same scaling chain as Overhaul
Still waiting for overhaul's profile to reflect him reacting to people who can blitz him on the level of tme massive chain of blitzing ruby has with her semblance or for scans of him reacting to hypersonic speeds
Still waiting for overhaul's profile to reflect him reacting to people who can blitz him on the level of tme massive chain of blitzing ruby has with her semblance or for scans of him reacting to hypersonic speeds
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???
Why the '???'? Its been established above that Ruby and Overhaul have a near identical scaling chain, while the grimm that ruby oneshot with her semblance scales to her normal AP
Why the '???'? Its been established above that Ruby and Overhaul have a near identical scaling chain, while the grimm that ruby oneshot with her semblance scales to her normal AP
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Ummm we don't equalize oneshots like afaik, each series judges how much stronger you need to be to oneshot differently, her oneshotting that grim just means shes unquantifiably stronger, we can say with confidence she likely has an ap advatage but her oneshotting overhaul with it isn't an assumption we can make.
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@Pen We do equalize oneshots
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When was it established she has a 7.5x AP advantage over Overhaul? She scales to people that one shot people that one shot baselines, on this site that is not enough. Ruby needs to be 23.9 tons to one shot Overhaul, which would make her city block level and this match irrelevant anyway. The scaling chain is irrelevant as you're comparing scaling chains of two different verses.
Ruby's Semblance being more than she thinks is irrelevant unless she can attack with her scythe while in it to kill OH instantly.
Overhaul doesn't need to be hypersonic to react to her Weekly, your thread you had where you tried to change her semblance didn't go anywhere and you have given no justification for it. He has feats of reacting to people practically teleporting right next to him while he's off guard and turning a different direction, Ruby's speed amp is inferior to that. She needs to attack while inside her Semblance with her scythe to beat Overhaul, but she hasn't been shown to be capable of that.
Ruby's Semblance being more than she thinks is irrelevant unless she can attack with her scythe while in it to kill OH instantly.
Overhaul doesn't need to be hypersonic to react to her Weekly, your thread you had where you tried to change her semblance didn't go anywhere and you have given no justification for it. He has feats of reacting to people practically teleporting right next to him while he's off guard and turning a different direction, Ruby's speed amp is inferior to that. She needs to attack while inside her Semblance with her scythe to beat Overhaul, but she hasn't been shown to be capable of that.
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What since when? We assume a 7 times ap gap is needed to oneshot, we don't assume onshotting in series to be equivalent to seven times ap. Why would we assume ruby can oneshot a character from a different verse? Her oneshotting just makes her unqauntifiably stronger, it doesn't mean she oneshots another character from a different series without meeting that 7x ap gap.
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ALso pls update the votes, it's 6-2 going for Overhaul
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Since always, we've always had that ruleThe pen or the sword said:
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A oneshot is 7.5x unless one character canonically oneshots another character who is equal to or strongre than their in-thread opponent in-canon. We have had this standard for years.
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Thank you Wok
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Who is equal to Chisaki in RWBY canon that Ruby can one shot?
The scaling chain from RWBY is baselines get one shot, and other people one shot those guys. Chisaki is higher than baseline, having higher than 3.19 ton durability from eating a low 7-c characters shockwave. How does that equate to Ruby one shotting him by hitting him.
The scaling chain from RWBY is baselines get one shot, and other people one shot those guys. Chisaki is higher than baseline, having higher than 3.19 ton durability from eating a low 7-c characters shockwave. How does that equate to Ruby one shotting him by hitting him.
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Why do i sincerely doubt that he's High 8-C scaling from a Low 7-C
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Weiss and Ruby are comparable to each other in v4-5, and Ruby is baseline High 8-C due to being capable of one shotting Nevermores. Weiss's summon is higher due to being able to easily one shot a True atlesian paladin, which is also baseline, but got one shot by Vernal, who should be weaker than Raven. Qrow is comparable to Raven, and current Ruby is comparable to him.
That is the scaling chain, nothing there implies Ruby can one shot Overhaul. It's literally just a bunch of one shots bouncing off of baselines.
He's High 8-C from Deku's shockwave because the high 8-c scaling comes from a weaker characters dampened attack, and is the highest value that can be attributed to the feat. His dura is definitely higher since he's superior to Rappa and Tengai who survived the attack, but Fat Gum's weakened feat is all we got.
That is the scaling chain, nothing there implies Ruby can one shot Overhaul. It's literally just a bunch of one shots bouncing off of baselines.
He's High 8-C from Deku's shockwave because the high 8-c scaling comes from a weaker characters dampened attack, and is the highest value that can be attributed to the feat. His dura is definitely higher since he's superior to Rappa and Tengai who survived the attack, but Fat Gum's weakened feat is all we got.
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Overhaul: 6 (Me, Cropfist, Ciruno, Dragon, Insert, MrDr)
Ruby: 2 (Weekly, Bananaman)
These are the current votes
Ruby: 2 (Weekly, Bananaman)
These are the current votes
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That too
Also pretty sure that hitting Overhaul hard enough that his arms are blown off along with the rest of his body will have the same effect as severing his arms with her scythe
Also pretty sure that hitting Overhaul hard enough that his arms are blown off along with the rest of his body will have the same effect as severing his arms with her scythe
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People with blades tend to kill things easier than people who punch. Unless you're implying Ruby is physically superior to Yang and therefore Qrow now?
And I'm also pretty sure Ruby has no feat of blowing someone up with her speed by running into them. She just tackled that Grimm and killed it with her scythe. No one in RWBY has comparable enough dura to Chisaki for you to definitively say she can one shot him due to her in verse one shots. Therefore she has to have a 7.5x gap. We've agreed Ruby has an AP advantage already, but it doesn't matter since OH can heal and she needs to be in in cqc to hit him, which he beats her in.
And I'm also pretty sure Ruby has no feat of blowing someone up with her speed by running into them. She just tackled that Grimm and killed it with her scythe. No one in RWBY has comparable enough dura to Chisaki for you to definitively say she can one shot him due to her in verse one shots. Therefore she has to have a 7.5x gap. We've agreed Ruby has an AP advantage already, but it doesn't matter since OH can heal and she needs to be in in cqc to hit him, which he beats her in.
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Ruby is superior to Qrow yes, even Maria stated that RWBY and co now are stronger than she was in her prime and that Qrow is now
She didnt kill it with her scythe, she killed it by ramming it with her semblance
Wok already agreed that she can oneshot Overhaul with her semblance. A 7.5x gap is not required. If you disagree then i suggest you make a CRT.
She didnt kill it with her scythe, she killed it by ramming it with her semblance
Wok already agreed that she can oneshot Overhaul with her semblance. A 7.5x gap is not required. If you disagree then i suggest you make a CRT.
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In-verse oneshots count in versus threads, if you think they shouldnt i suggest making a CRT about it
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"Wok already agreed that she can oneshot Overhaul with her semblance."
Uh I didn't say that specifically. I'd want full context to make a statement like that. My thing was just on scaling people off of chains of one shots being not great.
Uh I didn't say that specifically. I'd want full context to make a statement like that. My thing was just on scaling people off of chains of one shots being not great.
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Wok did not agree? He said that if he's comparable to someone from her verse who she one shot than it can work here. But he isn't, so she doesn't one shot without the 7.5x gap. He directly said using scaling chains for one shots in verse are not how things work, you're misconstruing his words.
She killed that Grimm with her scythe. She hit it with her semblance, pushed it back with her, and finished it with her scythe, go rewatch the scene. That Grimm does not disappear on contact with Ruby.
Maria said they were stronger than them due to their spirit and will, not physically. You interpreting that as physical is out of context and you know it.
She killed that Grimm with her scythe. She hit it with her semblance, pushed it back with her, and finished it with her scythe, go rewatch the scene. That Grimm does not disappear on contact with Ruby.
Maria said they were stronger than them due to their spirit and will, not physically. You interpreting that as physical is out of context and you know it.
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What this type of Grimm looks like when it dies.
As you can see, Ruby does not one shot these things by running into them.
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Under special circumstances Weekly. These are not those circumstances, so no they don't. Ruby needs a 7.5x gap in AP and Dura to one shot OH here.
I think you're the one that needs to make a crt if you feel so strongly about this rule.
I think you're the one that needs to make a crt if you feel so strongly about this rule.
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I think his point is her oneshotting a creature with a similar scaling chain doesn't equate to her oneshotting someone with the same ap, and I sorta agree, scaling chains and the gaps between characters are rather hard to concretly define...
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Overhaul doesn't even have a similar scaling chain. He survived a Low 7-C characters shockwave, and is superior to characters that took 3.19 ton shockwaves. No character on RWBY scales so concretely to that that it's ok to equate them to Overhaul to allow Ruby to one shot.
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@Pen Its AP scales to Ruby's, the same grimm was able to take multiple hits from Yang
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Oh yeah, that too, her scythe now has an auto-telescoping blade, so no matter what way she swings it the blade will always be facing that direction
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Is the current argument being used right now really that Ruby just runs into Overhaul and ohkos? Ruby is only High 8-c to an unquantifiable amount, she's not one shotting Overhaul. No one in RWBY scales to the exact durability and feats Overhaul has in order to claim Ruby's in verse one shots can apply to him. That is what is required for in verse one shots to apply guys. Look at the One Shot page, the rules are right there. Only special circumstances allow in verse one shots to transfer to vs battles and this is not one of them.
Ruby is unquantifiably higher into High 8-c than Overhaul (probably), that is it. She cannot one shot without concrete evidence that she has a 7.5x AP advantage, which would make her city block level anyway. Provide a character with similar feats and durability to Overhaul that Ruby can one shot. Scaling is irrelevant, it's two different verses, and the scaling in RWBY is based around one shotting baselines, so feats are what you need.
Ruby is unquantifiably higher into High 8-c than Overhaul (probably), that is it. She cannot one shot without concrete evidence that she has a 7.5x AP advantage, which would make her city block level anyway. Provide a character with similar feats and durability to Overhaul that Ruby can one shot. Scaling is irrelevant, it's two different verses, and the scaling in RWBY is based around one shotting baselines, so feats are what you need.
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