ruby rose vs overhaul

[WeeklyBattles]

Also just want to point out that Ruby fights opponents in constantly changing environments regularly and this is the version of Ruby that did the Raiden-style missile jumping thing

 

[Peppypony]

Oh yeah that was awesome. :3

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Ruby's Semblance is no where near unpredictable enough to outmaneuver Overhaul. He reacted to 20% Deku, who he could not even perceive because of the speed difference, just by reading his movements, and stomped a pro hero whose entire fighting style revolved around unpredictability, and has more on the job experience than Ruby has been alive. Ruby can get close with her quirk, maybe, but in cqc she isn't landing any killing blow fast enough that Overhaul won't heal from and push her away with more spikes to the face. And back. And neck. And feet.

I don't see how Ruby has the aura to keep up with Overhaul, it's getting popped when she takes too many spikes, and spamming her Semblance will waste it even faster.

Ruby has never fought a single opponent that had control over the battlefield like Overhaul does. It's not just a changing environment, it's a hostile environment that is attempting to stab and grab her every second coming from all angles from a person above her skill level. Overhaul takes shots at stomachs, feet, lungs, arms, every spot on a person's body is under assault constantly. Idk if Ruby has the skill to keep up with that. She has the speed to dodge, but she can't spam her Semblance unless she wants to run out of aura, which is death against the large spikes that are already hitting her.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ruby doesnt even have movements with her semblance, she becomes a literal whirlwind of rose petals, potentially three of them. That and she's more than capable of using her semblance in rapid succession to avoid close-range attacks.

It will take dozens of spikes to be able to break her aura

Once Ruby sees that he's able to overpower her at close range and that she's losing too much of her aura in doing so she'd just switch to range spamming him with elemental attacks

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

True does she have the ammo to put him down though? Like whats the maximum number of shots her gun can hold, I think she'll struggle to reload with the area around her trying to kill her.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

One clip holds dozens of bullets and she has multiple clips of each lement on her person at all tims

And if need be she can just escape high into the air to reload

 

[Peppypony]

She does also have ice dust which freezes her oppoents in frozen solid ice. Although I don't think that's the first thing she starts off with in ranged combat.

 

[MisterKtheKoala]

Overhaul can spam ranged attack with most ease than Ruby and will eventually force her to fight in a closed range, after that gg scythe and Ruby will finally lose due to lack of resistence to matter manip.

And nope, Aura is used to prevent hits, it have never shown to block things like matter manipulation

 

[DeathNoodles]

Aura does not have feats of working against Matter Manipulation, so we shouldn't assume it can work against Matter Manipulation. Aura being a "forcefield" (which has mostly only shown to block physical attacks rather than abilities with exotic effects) isn't enough prove for it to stop durability-negating hax such as Matter Manipulation (that's almost as bad as assuming Aura can block Soul Manipulation hax because it's "the manifestation of the soul").

 

[Kingofwolves999]

The fact Ruby turns into a whirlwind of roses makes her even more predictable. The second she does it the first time, Overhaul will know how her power works and predict around it. What's more predictable, the obvious storm of roses moving sporadically across He battlefield, or someone so fast you can't even perceive them at all?

Overhaul's AP is higher than Ruby's dura with Aura. His spikes devastate people with 3.19 ton dura. "Dozens" is a gross overstatement.

Range spam is worthless since Overhaul can dodge and block all of her projectiles. And Ruby very clearly needs to reload, so she can't do it forever. Also I would hope that she doesn't range spam, because if any of her dust lingers after being fired, Overhaul can now use that dust to attack Ruby.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Deathnoodles and Mister Unless he has feats of matter haxing things that have no matter then no, it would not work

 

[DeathNoodles]

@Deathnoodles and Mister Unless he has feats of matter haxing things that have no matter then no, it would not work

If we go by that logic then unless Aura is explicitly stated to lack matter, it should not be assumed to lack matter either.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Does Aura block someone manipulating the air in your lungs so you can't breathe anymore? Non Overhaul related question.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And unless Aura is explicitly stated to lack matter, it should not be assumed to lack matter either.

It is, thats what a forcefield is, a force, something that lacks matter

 

[Peppypony]

Aura does not have feats of working against Matter Manipulation, so we shouldn't assume it can work against Matter Manipulation. Aura being a "forcefield" isn't enough prove for it to stop durability-negating hax such as Matter Manipulation (that's almost as bad as assuming Aura can block Soul Manipulation hax because it's "the manifestation of the soul").

If the hax involves needing to touch it's opponents in order for it to work, then yeah it should stop it because the forcefield is in the way.

 

[DeathNoodles]

It is, thats what a forcefield is, a force, something that lacks matter

Any explicit statements that a "forcefield" like Aura lacks matter then?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Aura is from a person's soul, so I'm just going to assume it doesn't have matter and move on.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Aura can't stop things like maniping oxygen inside there lungs, it protects the body and may stop someone from touching them but things like manipulating air inside their lungs, spraying them with poison ect don't get blocked afaik.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Mister Overhaul has a range of tens of meters vs Ruby's hundreds of meters with a semi-automatic sniper rifle on top of having immensely superior speed and flight with her semblance, him range spamming Ruby or forcing her into melee range is very unlikely

 

[DeathNoodles]

Aura is from a person's soul, so I'm just going to assume it doesn't have matter and move on.

The moment it starts interacting with physical objects (such as blocking physical attacks) is the moment when that starts being questionable. We would need an explicit statement that says that Aura lacks matter before we can truly move on from this.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Deathnoodles numerous statement of it being energy and an invisible, immaterial force

 

[Peppypony]

things like manipulating air inside their lungs

Does Overhaul need to touch his opponents in order to do that?

 

[DeathNoodles]

@Deathnoodles numerous statement of it being energy and an invisible, immaterial force

And where are those statements? And where does it say anywhere that it would block durability-negating hax like Matter Manipulation?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

What happens to Ruby's range spam when she runs out of ammo

 

[DeathNoodles]

What happens to Ruby's range spam when she runs out of ammo

She won't be able to range spam anymore and decides to rush in to close quarters combat, it's as simple as that.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

What happens to Ruby's range spam when she runs out of ammo

Considering she has several hundred bullets thats going to take a very, very long time to happen

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Does Overhaul need to touch his opponents in order to do that?

no idea was answering a question above about aura blocking something like that

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And where are those statements? And where does it say anywhere that it would block durability-negating hax like Matter Manipulation?

The fact that he cannot physically touch her through her aura is the reason why it blocks his hax

 

[Peppypony]

Yeah. I don't think I remember Ruby ever running out of bullets.

 

[MisterKtheKoala]

Ok, now i think a thread about what can and can't block aura is necessary ┬░<┬░

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Cool, it takes a long time. Good thing Overhaul has all day,

So what does she do when she runs out.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Feats for hundreds of bullets? Or even dozens, sorta wondering where she displays she has access to this level of munitions.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The fact Ruby turns into a whirlwind of roses makes her even more predictable. The second she does it the first time, Overhaul will know how her power works and predict around it. What's more predictable, the obvious storm of roses moving sporadically across He battlefield, or someone so fast you can't even perceive them at all?

Overhaul's AP is higher than Ruby's dura with Aura. His spikes devastate people with 3.19 ton dura. "Dozens" is a gross overstatement.

Range spam is worthless since Overhaul can dodge and block all of her projectiles. And Ruby very clearly needs to reload, so she can't do it forever. Also I would hope that she doesn't range spam, because if any of her dust lingers after being fired, Overhaul can now use that dust to attack Ruby.

In turning into the rose petals she becomes fast enough to not be perceived at all by people as fast as herself.

Not really? Ruby in her volume 6 key oneshots people that strong so their AP is about equal, and no actually dozens is an accurate claim

Seeing as her bullets not only have AoE but have elemental properties including freezing the opponent solid, making the opponent explode, and paralyzing the opponent blocking is not the best idea. And nope, Dust is gone once its used

 

[TheRustyOne]

1st It was already agreed that forcefields can't stop something unless they show it in canon. Overhaul can destroy Aura since Aura hasn't been shown to block matter manipulation.

2nd. Ruby has a big scalling chain, she should have the AP/Dura advantage.

Baseline High 8-C (2 Tons) = Paladins who gets one shotted by V-3 Weiss Summon when it's only an arm, no body. V-5 Summon is stronger than V-3's, and Vernal still easily one shots it.

Base Raven should be superior to Vernal and Qrow equals her. V-6 Ruby is shown to equal Qrow. So Ruby scales to Qrow who is superior to Vernal, who can one shot Weiss Summon, who can one shot baselines in a weaker form.

This is all I'm going to say.

 

[DeathNoodles]

The fact that he cannot physically touch her through her aura is the reason why it blocks his hax

Even if we go by your logic, how does this prevent Overhaul from healing himself each time Ruby manages to wound him, have Ruby eventually running out of ammo or him closing the distance, and Ruby eventually dying once her Aura runs out?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Rusty It was agreed that aura can block his matter hax because it relies on him touching her which he cannot do and he cannot matter hax something that lacks matter

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ok, now i think a thread about what can and can't block aura is necessary ┬░<┬░

We already had one, it was agreed that aura would block his hax because it requires physical contact

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Feats for hundreds of bullets? Or even dozens, sorta wondering where she displays she has access to this level of munitions.

https://youtu.be/pYW2GmHB5xs?t=164

 

[Peppypony]

Even if we go by your logic, how does this prevent Overhaul from healing himself each time Ruby manages to wound him, have Ruby eventually running out of ammo or him closing the distance, and Ruby eventually dying once her Aura runs out?

Could Ruby freeze him with ice dust?

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Fair,

I despise the animation....