Hitoshi Kai vs Ruby Rose

[Uzukeas]

Alright, let’s see how this goes.
They’re both relative in power so this should be a fun fight,


Post Saiyan Realisation Hitoshi Kai
Vs
Post Beacon/Haven Ruby Rose
Speed Equalised
Win Condition:Total Bodily Destruction
Both are High 8-C
Profiles:
Hitoshi Kai: 1
Ruby Rose (Dragon Ball RWBY): 1

 

[Uzukeas]

Ima start stuff off here,
Hitoshi normally starts off with hand to hand, But Ruby has a literal scythe-gun weapon so she'd probably beat him in that category, and force him to go for ranged attacks.

 

[Spinoirr]

Ruby's ap: 8.71 Tons


Ruby's aura can take hundreds of attacks from others on her level and her auras maximum durability cap is 70 times her base durability of 8.71 Tons, but can still break from overtime damage like a health bar in a video game (it takes 70 8.71 Tons attacks to break her aura forcefield)


Skill chain:

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At the bottom of the skill chain is aura users as a whole. While every living being in RWBY technically has Aura, actually being able to utilize it for things such as defense, regen, and senses requires years of training and a high enough degree of martial skill (and yes you actually need martial skill for it) that only a small percentage of the population of the entire planet ever become skilled enough to utilize their aura. Of that small percentage, an even smaller percentage ever become skilled enough to manifest/control a Semblance (yes semblances are also skill-based). To reach this small percentage comes to the second half of the bottom of the chain: Almost every character worth their salt in RWBY has spent their entire life training in combat and can fight hordes of Grimm with little issue (Almost because Jaune exists). The entirety of the main cast of RWBY was initially enrolled at Beacon Academy, one of the most prestigious combat schools in the world, with almost everyone who was accepted there having been trained for almost their entire life to fight monsters, and each one that was not professionally trained requiring a skill display overseen by Ozpin (who is just as skilled as king piccolo 200+ years ago and is probably even more skill from training under Kami), who has the composite skill of several thousand professional huntsmen that he accumulated over his immortal lifetime.


Thats the baseline for skill in the verse.


Moving up the chain we have Nebula Violette, who not only outmatched Velvet in a 1v1 test of martial arts skill, but was directly stated to be more skilled than Velvet in combat despite Velvet mixing numerous fighting styles to try to throw her off in their fight.

Above her is Pyrrha Nikos, the skill god of the Beacon Arc. Pyrrha is one of the most skilled students at Beacon Academy, having won every combat tournament she has entered since she was a pre-teen due to both her mastery of combat and mastery of her semblance, being able to apply it in combat completely undetected and having done so in almost every fight she's been in for over a decade, doing so with such skill and precision that she has lead many to believe she is untouchable and invincible as no one has been able to even land a blow on her in her combat career. Even without her semblance she has shown the ability to quickly and easily adapt to her combat situation and analyze her opponents while fighting and changing tactics to suit the situation she is in. She has shown extreme accuracy, being able to hit moving targets from hundreds of meters away and strike vital weak points on an opponent mid-combat both with and without the aid of her semblance. She is also highly skilled at using her weapon's multiple forms in combat, being able to switch between forms several times in rapid succession to both deliver rapid attacks and counter others simultaneously.

This version of Ruby is even more skilled then that due to learning ki at Beacon in a week


Ruby learns how to use ki a week and they know how to use ki better then Videl minus flying


According to Gohan, it's not all that easy to use ki, and Videl's quick picking up of ki control was, in large part, due to her martial arts training. She still had to take time to learn how to even access it, much less control the flow of it, so it'd be all the harder for a normal person to. But Videl had no control over her ki control and can't shoot ki blasts unlike ruby after a week of training back during beacons break


She also scales In skill to Bann AKA Goku:

Spoiler

Skill feats for Bann Belladonna AKA my Crossover AU Goku


Beacon arc:


Fought alongside his step-sister Blake and Adam for years


Trained his whole life in martial arts to the point he is naive to almot anything outside of anything to do with combat


Got into beacon without going to a combat school and without a weapon other then his hands, kicks and ki attacks


mimicked pennys beam with ki and made the Kamehameha just after seeing her use her beam once


he taught team JNPR how to use ki during their break


Fought on par with phyrra in the food fight with his hand to hand skills


Could tell mercury was holding back against phyrra and questioned why he quit after seeing her semblance


Figured out Cinder (who they only knew as a mystery woman in all black) using soothing other then a semblance or dust to freeze Him, Ruby and piccolo in the CTT was definitely not ki nor dust or even a semblance but didn't know exactly what it was


Made it to the finals of the tournament with piccolo and his team picking him to go to the finals


Believes yang saw what she actually saw and explains to them he thinks there is something up with that mercury guy but he just doesn't know what


Hears from velvet that coco also saw something that wasn't there in the match against merc and em alongside ruby, making Bann wonder if mercury has a ability to make people see things


See's emerald in the tournament still even though she said she was going to go with mercury so he gets up to figure out what's going on alongside ruby


When he sees mercury and the next fight is phyrra vs penny, bann figures out why mercury held back and stop fighting against phyrra when she showed her semblance


Bann holds off mercury with orange amp (his semblance that gives him a 4x boost in power) and predicts some of his moves but is forced to run away as he still was being overwhelmed


Mistrial arc:


Knew how to fight with his new gun Sword By copying how his sister fought with her weapon


Tried to help Ruby fight Tyrain, but Tyrain was too strong and fast for him but he did dodge some of his hits via predicting them like he did with mercury


Cut off Tyrains tail after he poisoned Qrow before Ruby did it

 

[Uzukeas]

Ruby's ap: 8.71 Tons


Ruby's aura can take hundreds of attacks from others on her level and her auras maximum durability cap is 70 times her base durability of 8.71 Tons, but can still break from overtime damage like a health bar in a video game (it takes 70 8.71 Tons attacks to break her aura forcefield)

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She defo beats Hitoshi who only scales to around 3 tons at max,
However, if Hitoshi realises she can't damage her physically, He will probably use telekinesis to hurt her.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Don't want to be that guy but Telekinesis is only truly useful against characters with lesser LS and can't fly. Ruby has both of those things.

 

[Uzukeas]

Don't want to be that guy but Telekinesis is only truly useful against characters with lesser LS and can't fly. Ruby has both of those things.

Hitoshi mostly uses telekinesis to cause hits and damage on the opponent, which should scale to his AP.

 

[Spinoirr]

Hitoshi mostly uses telekinesis to cause hits and damage on the opponent, which should scale to his AP.

Doesn't matter because of Ruby's aura is a full body forcefield that protects her from attacks dozens of times stronger then herself (70 hits from characters who are 8.71 Tons) as it acts like a health bar

 

[Spinoirr]

Don't want to be that guy but Telekinesis is only truly useful against characters with lesser LS and can't fly. Ruby has both of those things.

Yeah, she can fly with her semblances also like with her semblance she becomes a cloud of molecules that grant a speed blitz amp

 

[Uzukeas]

Doesn't matter because of Ruby's aura is a full body forcefield that protects her from attacks dozens of times stronger then herself (70 hits from characters who are 8.71 Tons) as it acts like a health bar

It's a forcefield, yes,
But how does this forcefield interact with telekinesis? Blows which hit her body without interacting with the forcefield,
Also if worse comes to worse, Hitoshi will probably start shooting off destructo disks to try and bypass her forcefield.

(Which scale to 421 Tons,)

 

[Spinoirr]

It's a forcefield, yes,
But how does this forcefield interact with telekinesis? Blows which hit her body without interacting with the forcefield,
Also if worse comes to worse, Hitoshi will probably start shooting off destructo disks to try and bypass her forcefield.

(Which scale to 421 Tons,)

Her auras maximum durability scales to 609.7 tons, she'll get hit once and avoid it or dodge it because she knows what a detructo disk is because she copied it

 

[Uzukeas]

Her auras maximum durability scales to 609.7 tons, she'll get hit once and avoid it or dodge it because she knows what a detructo disk is because she copied it

He’d probably just redirect the destructo disc back at her and keep at a range every time she’d dodge.

Also, destructor disc is a move which can easily be spammed, and is a move which can be made to Home in on the target, so you can probbaly imagine what trouble it can be for her having to dodge 10, redirecting destructio discs.

 

[Uzukeas]

So yeah, putting my Vote on Hitoshi since he can range her out and spam destructo discs.

 

[Spinoirr]

What can he do against her skill, and ki blasts, destructo disks, Cresent rose, petal burst spam to speed blitz around him and range spam him, curve her bullets that have elemental attacks that have AOE, her aura letting her take 70 hits from those comparable to her before breaking?

like she can just turn into a cloud of molecules before his detructo disk hits her and make it hit him instead like what ssj goku did to freiza

 

[Spinoirr]

Like she can and will speed blitz to get up close to him and she'll be a cloud of molecules while speed blitzing as that's how petal burst works

 

[Spinoirr]

Also given on his profile it says his destructo disk is city block level, not multi city block level I'm assuming it's base line (10 tons of tnt), and due to it being not that much stronger then her, it ain't a one shot. Definitely not against with her aura taking way more powerful attacks before

 

[Spinoirr]

Anyways I vote for Ruby because of her speed blitz amp that turns her into a cloud of molecules to literally speed blitz, range amp with her superior attack potency and her own detructo disks as well as her aura protecting her from any attacks that do land and her superior lifting strength, and flight that goes along with said speed blitz amp

She literally has a way to absolutely shut down any chance to range spam her with her intangible speed blitz amp that grants flight and duplication to fly around any attack Instinctively

Also his durability has zero calc, so I'll assume it's base line 2 tons vs Ruby's 8.71 Tons. That's a 4.355 times gap, literally almost a one shot as a one shot is 5 times power gap

 

[Uzukeas]

Alright time to reply,

What can he do against her skill, and ki blasts, destructo disks, Cresent rose, petal burst spam to speed blitz around him and range spam him, curve her bullets that have elemental attacks that have AOE, her aura letting her take 70 hits from those comparable to her before breaking?

like she can just turn into a cloud of molecules before his detructo disk hits her and make it hit him instead like what ssj goku did to freiza

Simply range her out,
Hitoshi can simply use telekinesis to redirect her attacks away from him so he doesn’t get absolutely spammed and brutalised.
If Hitoshi is hit by one of the bullets, he is resistant to pain- and has supernatural willpower- so it will damage him..but it won’t do much to his body.
If she uses her abilities to speedblitz around him, she will still get hit- She’s going to try and dodge and possibility try and lead it back to him,
However- She will also find that he can control the discs and just stop it from hitting him lol.

Like she can and will speed blitz to get up close to him and she'll be a cloud of molecules while speed blitzing as that's how petal burst works

Ok.

Also given on his profile it says his destructo disk is city block level, not multi city block level I'm assuming it's base line (10 tons of tnt), and due to it being not that much stronger then her, it ain't a one shot. Definitely not against with her aura taking way more powerful attacks before

I literally just told you that it’s 421 Tons?

Anyways I vote for Ruby because of her speed blitz amp that turns her into a cloud of molecules to literally speed blitz, range amp with her superior attack potency and her own detructo disks as well as her aura protecting her from any attacks that do land and her superior lifting strength, and flight that goes along with said speed blitz amp

She literally has a way to absolutely shut down any chance to range spam her with her intangible speed blitz amp that grants flight and duplication to fly around any attack Instinctively

Also his durability has zero calc, so I'll assume it's base line 2 tons vs Ruby's 8.71 Tons. That's a 4.355 times gap, literally almost a one shot as a one shot is 5 times power gap

She may be able to one shot him if she manages to hit him, but she can’t even kill him.

Hitoshi has many ways to hurt and kill her, this may be via destructo discs homing and trying to hit her, using telekinesis to burst her organs from the inside, using dirty fireworks to make her explode inside out,
Or even using his Arc Wave to ensure a sure hit which will never miss.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Ruby utterly slaps the shit out of him FRA.

 

[Uzukeas]

Ruby utterly slaps the shit out of him FRA.

Is that a vote?
Also, does she have any actual way to kill him? He manipulates reality to keep I loving, and he can simply explode her from the inside out lol

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Is that a vote?
Also, does she have any actual way to kill him? He manipulates reality to keep I loving, and he can simply explode her from the inside out lol

Can you prove he can affect something inside of a forcefield?

 

[Uzukeas]

Can you prove he can affect something inside of a forcefield?

Dirty fireworks directly affects the opponents organs.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Dirty fireworks directly affects the opponents organs.

That's not what I asked, I asked if you can prove it works even on targets protected by a full body forcefield.

 

[Uzukeas]

That's not what I asked, I asked if you can prove it works even on targets protected by a full body forcefield.

How would it be needed to be proven if it can do something like that?
The full body force field never says it protects her from energy building up inside of her body- from what I’ve read- it looks like it’s something which works as an outer shell,

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

How would it be needed to be proven if it can do something like that?
The full body force field never says it protects her from energy building up inside of her body- from what I’ve read- it looks like it’s something which works as an outer shell,

For one, if there's literally a barrier protecting her inside and out then her organs will be fine even if it does somehow get inside of Ruby. Two this ability doesn't even work on people stronger than the user otherwise Vegeta would've been spamming that shit on Frieza, the person he hates more than anything and wishes to kill above all else in his life. Thirdly going by Ruby's profile the moment she sees him try this she will copy it and be able to negate it regardless due to being stronger than him with the same technique like literally every Ki User ever.

 

[Uzukeas]

For one, if there's literally a barrier protecting her inside and out then her organs will be fine even if it does somehow get inside of Ruby. Two this ability doesn't even work on people stronger than the user otherwise Vegeta would've been spamming that shit on Frieza, the person he hates more than anything and wishes to kill above all else in his life. Thirdly going by Ruby's profile the moment she sees him try this she will copy it and be able to negate it regardless due to being stronger than him with the same technique like literally every Ki User ever.

Here’s the difference,
Does Rubys forcefield have any feats of her being able to block internal attacks, so if you can prove that, then go ahead.

Two, Friezas abilities was hundreds of times stronger than Vegeta going off by simple narrative, so if you can give a statement of dirty fireworks being unable to affect people around 3x stronger, then I’ll go ahead. As we can see with Destructo Disc that ki attacks can still affect higher levelled beings depending on the attack.

And if worse comes to worse, and ruby pushed him to the limits(which I don’t believe she will) he will enter his Saiyan Rage transformation

 

[Spinoirr]

Honestly restrict this ", 7-A With the Saiyan Rage Transformation, Up to 5-A Over time" so it's not a full stomp

 

[Spinoirr]

Also should note that Vegeta has only ever used dirty fireworks on people that were weaker than him. So it's a no limits fallacy if you say it'll ignore the durability of people almost in a stomp range then him

 

[Uzukeas]

Honestly restrict this ", 7-A With the Saiyan Rage Transformation, Up to 5-A Over time" so it's not a full stomp

It’s not a stomp if she can manage to kill and end him,
And if we restrict it, then it won’t be added to either of their profiles.

Also should note that Vegeta has only ever used dirty fireworks on people that were weaker than him. So it's a no limits fallacy if you say it'll ignore the durability of people almost in a stomp range then him

He only used it against a Ginyu force goon if I remember correctly, and I remember that Ginyu force goon being stronger than him.

Can you also explain how it’d be no limit fallacy to assume Vegeta can use it on opponents stronger than him? We also have to take in account Vegetas pride as a saiyan, and wouldn’t want to end the fight in such a way.

 

[Spinoirr]

It’s not a stomp if she can manage to kill and end him,
And if we restrict it, then it won’t be added to either of their profiles.


He only used it against a Ginyu force goon if I remember correctly, and I remember that Ginyu force goon being stronger than him.

You're remembering wrong, it was qui who was as strong as saiyan saga Vegeta, Vegeta got stronger on nakek due to his zenki on earth and easily stomped him

Dirty Fireworks

Directory: Techniques → Offensive Techniques → Energy Wave Dirty Fireworks (汚い花火, Kitanai Hanabi) is a technique used by Vegeta. Vegeta aims at his opponent with his outstretched index and middle fingers together, detonating them on the spot in an explosion Vegeta likens to "dirty fireworks"...

dragonball.fandom.com

 

[Spinoirr]

It’s not a stomp if she can manage to kill and end him,
And if we restrict it, then it won’t be added to either of their profiles.

It'll be a stomp because then he'll one shot her instead

 

[Uzukeas]

It'll be a stomp because then he'll one shot her instead

Then it can’t be added to their profiles…

Also- May you explain how it’d be a no limit fallacy?

Can you also explain how it’d be no limit fallacy to assume Vegeta can use it on opponents stronger than him? We also have to take in account Vegetas pride as a saiyan, and wouldn’t want to end the fight in such a way.

 

[Uzukeas]

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[Uzukeas]

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