Ruby Rose (RWBY) vs Jonathon Joestar (Jojo's Bizarre Adventures)

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

And the forcefiekds exists with a lack of feats of deflecting an attack that can bypass objects and go through defences on plenty of fights throughout the source media.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Aura is not their literal soul, and is not even soul-based, its just a forcefield. Even artificial beings like Penny, who is a robot, are capable of projecting an Aura. If Aura were their literal soul every RWBY character would be able to shrug off having their soul damaged and destroyed and would have the ability to regenerate their souls.

Yes, it is a manifestation of the soul, please refresh and look at the updated sources I have for my statements. Keep in mind this only applies to RWBY aura. Penny having an aura doesn't make this illegitimate, perhaps she has a soul and a robotic body, or an artificial aura altogether.

Stands are also a manifestation of the soul, and hamon has been conducted through and against them.

So now hamon can't be conducted against aura because...?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Your constant lack of evidence and repeated false equivalencies are only further proof that Hamon has no feats of bypassing forcefields.

The fact that a being without an actual soul can use Aura is proof that Aura isnt their soul or even soul-based. Energy as in energy, its a barrier.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Dont forget all the part five and six confirmation of stands being the soul. Part five especially.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Being a manifestation of the soul does not in any way shape or form mean it is made up of their literal soul unless, again, you'd like to argue that they can shrug off their souls being damaged and destroyed and regenerate their souls.

Hamon cant be conducted against aura because Aura is not their actual soul and hamon has no feats of bypassing forcefields.

 

[ProfessorLord]

So we've got a character in the show saying aura is a manifestation of the soul...

And we've got promotional material saying it's a manifestation of the soul...

Buuuut... you think aura isn't their soul or even soul-based...

How are you an admin?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Think of it like this, their soul is a forcefield generator and their aura is the forcefield. Just because the forcefield is being created by a machine does not make the forcefield itself mechanical.

As much as i would love to have RWBY have disgustingly good soul hax resistance, the way youre treating Aura is not how it works.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Although that does obviously mean it is quite explicitly soul based.

And hamon has plenty of feats of bypassing and going through noncorporal objects and material objects while ayra had how many feats of deflecting an defense bypassing attack?.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Hamon is never conducted against an actual soul. It's only been conducted through STANDS, A MANIFESTATION OF THE SOUL.

And you're saying that even IF AURA IS A MANIFESTATION OF THE SOUL, that hamon can't be conducted through it...? Even though we've literally just established that it has been conducted through stands?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Think of it like this, their soul is a forcefield generator and their aura is the forcefield. Just because the forcefield is being created by a machine does not make the forcefield itself mechanical.
As much as i would love to have RWBY have disgustingly good soul hax resistance, the way youre treating Aura is not how it works.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Hamon can be conducted through noncorporal objects? How about that weekly? Playing semantics quite an easy game.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Manifestation of the soul =/= made up of their soul

Manifestation of the soul =/= Their literal soul

This really isnt difficult to understand

 

[ProfessorLord]

Think of it like this, their soul is a forcefield generator and their aura is the forcefield. Just because the forcefield is being created by a machine does not make the forcefield itself mechanical.
As much as i would love to have RWBY have disgustingly good soul hax resistance, the way youre treating Aura is not how it works.

So now you've just established that aura is a manifestation of the soul...?

And you're saying the soul is an aura generator?

But hamon still can't be conducted through it?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Ya litterally said the exact same thing constitutes as being literal and not.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Manifestation of the soul =/= made up of their soul
Manifestation of the soul =/= Their literal soul

This really isnt difficult to understand

We're not arguing that hamon has any ill-effect on the soul that would be useful in a fight.

We're arguing that hamon can be conducted THROUGH manifestations of the soul. This means that hamon effectively bypasses this aura forcefield.

Not hard to understand.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, the soul is an aura generator but the aura itself is not made up of the soul, just like how a forcefield being created by a forcefield generator is not made of metal

Hamon has no feats of being conducted through a forcefield. A stand is not a forcefield.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

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"a characteristic manifestation of Lyme disease"

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yes, the soul is an aura generator but the aura itself is not made up of the soul, just like how a forcefield being created by a forcefield generator is not made of metal

Hamon has no feats of being conducted through a forcefield. A stand is not a forcefield.

And how would ya define energy.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Yes, the soul is an aura generator but the aura itself is not made up of the soul, just like how a forcefield being created by a forcefield generator is not made of metal
Hamon has no feats of being conducted through a forcefield. A stand is not a forcefield

The soul is also a stand generator, but the stand itself is not made up of the soul.

Stands = Aura. Stands are just manifested differently from aura. One is a punching ghost, one is a forcefield.

To say that it can conduct through one shape or form, and not another, is ********.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Then why are you arguing that Hamon can affect souls when you acknowledge it cant?

No, the equivalent of a Stand in RWBY would be a Semblance, not Aura.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Really is fun being a person knowledgeable on both RWBY and Jojo trying to explain to people who arent knowledgeable on RWBY how a power from RWBY works and why a power from Jojo wouldnt work against it and they just plug their ears and say 'no it works differently you dont know what youre talking about'

 

[ProfessorLord]

Then why are you arguing that Hamon can affect souls when you acknowledge it cant?
No, the equivalent of a Stand in RWBY would be a Semblance, not Aura.

Hamon CAN affect souls, just not in any way that would be viable for this fight.

Hamon CAN be channeled through stands, the manifestations of souls.

Therefore hamon CAN be channeled through aura, a manifestation of the soul.

 

[ProfessorLord]

No, the equivalent of a Stand in RWBY would be a Semblance, not Aura.

No, the equivalent of a semblance would be a stand ability, like Emerald Splash.

Really is fun being a person knowledgeable on both RWBY and Jojo trying to explain to people who arent knowledgeable on RWBY how a power from RWBY works and why a power from Jojo wouldnt work against it and they just plug their ears and say 'no it works differently you dont know what youre talking about'

I'm knowledgeable on RWBY up until the third or fourth season, aura was established way earlier. I'm knowledgeable on Jojo up until part 7.

Keep giving yourself a wank to make yourself feel better though.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No, the equivalent of Emerald Splash would be a Semblance with multiple variations on their abilities, like Weiss' Glyphs and Blake's Dust Shadow Clones

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Again, no, youre taking the term too literally and using A>B>C logic that doesnt work in practice.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Also weekly this us getting tiresome.

Hamon can.

A.Channel and pass through material and objects.

B.Hamon can channel and pass through noncorporal aspects and materless objects and beings .

C.Hamon can conduct hamon last I checked and hamon life energy.

It has all hamon would need to assume that hamon can bypass ayra weekly. Ya can obviously cut the shit and stop denying anytime now . This a quite obviously and blatant reasonable assumption to make regardless of how ya feel on the subject at hand .

Especially as the claim youre making has almost no backing and is quite a no limit fallacy .. Forcefiekds or not the aura has from your admission no feats of preventing an attack that can bypass objects and noncorporal objects at that too meaning assuming it can is a nlf.

And Google defines energy as a physical concept.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Again, no, youre taking the term too literally and using A>B>C logic that doesnt work in practice.

>doesnt work in practice

>fictional fight

Fact of the matter is, like it or not:

Stands = Aura (They are literally just different forms, it's like saying Superfly isn't a stand because it doesn't look like one.)

Hamon HASbee conducted through stands before.

Hamon CAN be conducted through aura.

This is clear cut, wrapped up, all bundled up for you . Either contribute something that breaks this logic, or concede.

 

[Kadmus_Prime]

Hamon can be conducted through energy?

 

[ProfessorLord]

If you consider stands and aura as an energy, than yes, they sure can.

 

[Huesito88]

If you don't?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Stands and Aura are not the same thing. Not even remotely the same. Just because theyre a manifestation doesnt make them the same and is a blanket assumption that doesnt hold up in a debate here.

Until you show actual proof that hamon can cnoduct through a forcefield you have no proof that it can go through aura.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Hermit Purple is not the same thing as the Empress, yet since they are both manifestations of the soul, hamon was successfully used against both. They are the same concept, they just function differently... like different stands.

It's not a blanket statement, hamon has been channeled through different manifestations (Empress, Hermit Purple, threatend against The World), there's no reason it can't be channeled through aura, it's just a different manifestation.

Aura IS the forcefield, so if it can be channeled through aura, it can be channeled through the forcefield.

And lmao at you being knowledgable on RWBY, but not too long ago argued that aura is not related to the soul or soul-based at all.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Empress is a Stand that manifests through the user's blood and manipulate's the target's flesh, its not a conventional stand that just manifests from nowhere, its physical, of course hamon would work on something made of flesh. Hermit Purple is literally an extension of Joseph's own body with a specific property of being able to transfer Hamon, it doesnt work like this for any other Stand.

We never actually see Hamon work against the World so we have no actual evidence of what it would do, and it doesnt help that the World is the stand of a vampire who stole the body of a Joestar. And yes, it is a blanket assumption to say that because it worked something, that it would work against everything even if that something is in no way even remotely similar to what it worked on.

No, Aura is not the forcefield, Aura is the force that creates the forcefield using the soul as a generator. Aura can amp their physical stats. Aura can give them Regenerationn. Aura can unlock the aura of others. Aura can give enhanced senses.

Aura is not soul based and is not their literal soul.

 

[Jinx666]

...Aura is not the forcefield?

tf is the forcefield made of then? and Aura is soul based, since its a manifetation of the soul...

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its made of energy just like any other forcefield.

Being a manifestation of the soul does not mean it is their literal soul nor does it mean it is made of their soul unless youd like to argue that they can shrug off soul damage and destruction and can regenerate their soul after its been destroyed.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Empress is still a manifestation, regardless if the material is made up of Joseph. Hermit Purple conducting hamon should be proof enough, it means it is able to be transfered to an incorporeal medium, and no, Hermit Purple's ability was Divination, not being able to transfer hamon, that bit is irrelevant because all stands are able to. We don't have to actually see hamon hurt The World, DIO using The World to punch the wall as a projectile and finishing him off with a knife implies that in-character, he knew hamon would affect The World, and that plot-wise, Araki fully intended for that to be the case.

Even assuming aura is some vague energy is wrong, because that energy is just part of the aura, which is a manifestation of the soul. That's like saying Emerald Splash is just a bunch of emeralds, while true, it ignores that those emeralds are still part of the manifestation.

We know, having a stand does not mean your soul is literally that stand, we see that when Avdol and Iggy die , and we don't see Magicians Red or The Fool. The same also applies to aura, it's not the actual soul, it's just a manifestation drawn from it.

So hamon can channel through different manifestations of souls, and therefore it can channel through aura.

A manifestation of your soul IS soul-based, by the way.

Edit: Literally nobody has agreed with you since me and J-Man brought this logic up.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

This actually still going on? Holy shit?.

Also yeah? Maybe rwby characters are capable of Regenerationn if the soul although that obviousky doesnt mean low godly or some hax akin with that. Healing soul damage and healing the body while ya have no soul is quite different.

That or dio had midgodly Regenerationn for not biting the dust after za warudo himself got dusted by platinum. Your choice.

Also hamon could still effect brufords also as for the world? Weekly its made blatantly obvious hamon would have effecte za warudo. Stanemts and context clues are a thing for a reason weekly.

Also upon further depth hamon quite capable of litterally evolving or becoming a literal a stand. Hp is a hamon stand that all hamon users could adapt and get and obtain. And jonathan was at the potential of having hp(as he eventually does obtain a stand ) .

"It's more or less stated in Araki's interview for JoJonium vol. 9, where he claims that "the image of the vine [in Hermit Purple] is connected to Joseph's Ripple ability" and that he "always wanted to make pictorial visualisations of supernatural abilities".

Araki goes on to talk a bit about how he decided to "visualise Ripple as a Stand", finishing by saying, "If Jotaro's group time-travelled to the world of Part 2, they would probably be able to see Hermit Purple wrapped around Joseph, just like in Part 3".

Also lord. The stand (as of part five) litterally a soul. Evidenced from the black sabbath and requim arcs although part three at the time was a tad different.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Professor A manifestation that is physical and made of flesh and blood, not intangible like most stands. And no, the fact that he can conduct it through his own stand does not mean he can conduct it through other non-physical stands which he has never shown the ability to do. And yes we do actually have to see it to know if it could hurt the world, otherwise that leads to a whole slew of nlfs that hamon COULD do things but we never see it actually do it but since it might that means it absolutely can.

Again, you're using a>b>c logic which is wrong

And no, it's not soul based unless it's is shown to be, which aura is not

 

[Arigarmy]

Nah a Stand is your soul, Whitesnake and Pucci's conversations with DIO doubles that evidence. Jonathan never had (or was never confirmed to have) Hermit Purple clone when he was alive though, we only know that Joseph had a Stand but was inactively using it and just had it exist on his body through Ar(h)acki interviews.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@J-man Make a crt for rwby being able to regenerate soul destruction and see how it goes

Youre really using contradictory wog and things that never actually happened to argue your point