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Ruby Rose (RWBY) vs Jonathon Joestar (Jojo's Bizarre Adventures)

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WeeklyBattles said:
@J-man Make a crt for rwby being able to regenerate soul destruction and see how it goes

Youre really using contradictory wog and things that never actually happened to argue your point
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What contradicts that again exactly? Just because ya say a thing is contradicted doesnt actually mean it does.

Things that didnt happen ? Ya mean aura deflecting an attack that can pass through objects and noncorporal things? Also wog can be utilized uf not contradiction. Would also naje sense as why joseph subconsciously held aja at the end of tendency.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Also wog can be utilized uf not contradiction. Would also naje sense as why joseph subconsciously held aja at the end of tendency.
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The narrator (or I guess Aracki) already explained that it was just instinct for that, though. Joseph didn't know he had Hermit Purple, and Araki never said that's how he predicted enemies lines, just that he'd have it wrapped around his body. It was simply inactive.
 
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Honestly. The stand discs also being soul discs also black Sabbath pulling out ge plus chariot manipulating stands from soul hax manipulation.
 
The only reason I think people get so confused is from a lot of Stands cheating rules because of their nature or the fact that you can't really hit them to where you see the karma play out because their ability would put you in danger by putting yourself in contact with it. (Brainstorm, Ozone Baby, and Blue Hawaii are some examples and they're the most recent villain Stands).
 
@Ari Problem is Aura ISN'T their soul, its just a force that does things such as create a forcefield and amp their stats and their senses with their soul as a generator
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Its made of energy just like any other forcefield.
Being a manifestation of the soul does not mean it is their literal soul nor does it mean it is made of their soul unless youd like to argue that they can shrug off soul damage and destruction and can regenerate their soul after its been destroyed.
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Energy is non corporeal, and cant be solid in a forcefield without matter to transfer the energy. And aura is energy, it produces the forcefield, and when aura breaks, so does the forcefield.

Its powered by their soul now isnt it, and they cant regenerate souls at whim, it heals over time. They never tanked soul based attacks either. Once again, an assumption that you force to be true.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Ari Problem is Aura ISN'T their soul, its just a force that does things such as create a forcefield and amp their stats and their senses with their soul as a generator
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ok but what does souls have to do with any of this fight jonathan doesn't manipulate souls here
 
can hamon pass through the aura. That was the debate.

The original reason was hamon cant effect energy or matterless things hence the gamon cant phase through. Examples of hamon effecting noncirpoal things have been given as a counter although yet the debagte continues while no progress got made.
 
@Jinx still waiting know the crt you were told to make since you have so many problems with hiw we treat forcefields on this wiki
 
well that depends is this forcefield a bubble or literally just another layer of skin thats like an exoskeleton or something
 
Energy.

Thats all weekly had explained. No specifics or anything.

The aura having a quote explicitly stating the aura derived from a soul and hamon having feats or quotes obviously stating hamon can channel through stands what the debate had peaked at from the start.
 
Arigarmy said:
well that depends is this forcefield a bubble or literally just another layer of skin thats like an exoskeleton or something
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It is a passive invisible full body barrier made of energy.

Basically it's the Overshield from halo but better
 
>Energy.

Actually. What qoute dictates energy and not the explicit quote that had been posted multiple of times that contradicts that? And what energy?. How much vaguer can ya be weekly?.
 
A manifestation of the soul isn't the soul itself however.

What does Occam's Razor suggest? That in RWBY your soul can project an armor around you, or that literally everyone can have their soul shattered and keep walking because they'll just regenerate it after taking a nap?

A manifestation is how something appears, which isn't necessarily how it is
 
Occams razer means nothing when its mentioned and told exact how on screen.

Although if thats the case.

Hamon can go through hamon (life energy). And hamon defense is a passive effect. See Joseph vs santana. (Joseph also once ysed hamon on his skin to stop a knife).

Ya sure ya wanna go the "life energy" route? Because may as well treat hamon and aura as the same then. Verse equalization of life energy and all.
 
@J-Man Why do you keep referring to things that Joseph did and acting like Jonathan would do them or even has the knowledge to be able to do so? What someone else did doesnt matter, the only thing that matters is what Jonathan did.

Thats not how verse equalization works, that like equalizing ki and haki
 
Because hamon is hamon? Obviously things for example shield deflection or empowerement Jonathan cant do. Luckily this a hamon property that applies to all hamon and not a technique or skill that must be learned . (Then again jobathan had performed all the feats Joseph had done. Plus more. And was trained by the master on par with the master of the master of josephs master)

Aura life energy yeah? Hamon is also life energy. Abd can also be used the same way aura could. Skin tight invusible defense that passively keeps out damage and physical weapons and all that. Ya were better off acting as aura a hax from the soul made of soul energy.

Also think chakra and ki weekly. (Also last i checked haki and dbz often do get eqyalized).
 
Jonathan can obviously use hamon which all that is a must for him.

Jonathan can use hamon yeah and being able to go through a wall or crack a water glass would apply for hamon as a technique. Bubble launcher an overdrive on the other hand cant be scaled

Ya essentially saying hamon works differently depending on the hamon warrior.
 
Jonathan has never used his hamon as a shield and never even displayed the ability to do so. Youre giving Jonathan abilities he never demonstrated.

Aura is not life energy, its just regular energy. Its not soul energy, its not life energy, its not any specific kind of energy. Its just energy,

No, Haki from one piece and Ki from Dragon Ball do not get equalized, there was a massive thread about this a while back.

Depending on the hamon user their techniques and how they use hamon are different yes.
 
>Missing the point entirely.

Didnt say jonathan could. He would have the passive prptection opposed to a full body which Joseph had. The point was as far as basic properties go hamon is the same despite Caesar or Joseph or Jonathan etc.

Really because thevideo says otherwise. The video holds more credibility obviously as the video fact amd not a headcanon take on what aura can do plus kal already said the life force coats the user hence the aura. Also stop with the vague "energy". Aura must have a property of something. Energy? Heat? Kineting? Life? Pick one. Chemical energy? What form of energy. Lack of an actual explanation only makes aura a walking nlf. Can aura deflect the wave beam from metroud also?

Cool must have been after. Luckily hamon or aura obviously not haki or ki now weekly is that not right? And hamon and aura are life energy without physical forms that can be utilized the exact same way.

The ysage of hamon is different while base properties and all that are the exact despite the user. Caesar uses hamon with liquids and joseph for engamcing and channeling although the hamon used acts the same. Hamon acts the same despite that only the method use may vary.
 
Hamon is the same through everyone, the only variable that changes is your strength of Hamon depending on how you train. I mean everyone can do Hamon, but not in the same way that Jonathan/Joseph could because they trained intensively for it.
 
Can you please stop saying aura is just "energy", it's not that, aura is a manifestation of the soul. Don't care what you think, it was said in-character, and said in promotional material, stop twisting the words to fit your head-canon.

Aura ITSELF is what is coating the user in the forcefield, it's clearly proven in the promotional video. Aura does not generate energy to coat the user,it is the energy.

A stand is not your soul, it is a manifestation of your soul. Narrarator explained that, even Kira appearing as a soul/ghost proves it, if his stand really was his soul, he would look like Killer Queen. He even summons Killer Queen as a spirit, so his soul clearly isn't Killer Queen. Having a manifestation of your soul shattered (in this case, a stand) doesn't necessarily mean your soul shatters, it just means that manifestation created has been destroyed.

Aura is not your soul, it is a manifestation of your soul. Promotional video explained that, Pyrrah explained that as well. To say it is not is incorrect, no matter how you spin it. Having a manifestation of your soul shattered (in this case, aura) doesn't necessarily mean your soul shatters, it just means that manifestation has been destroyed.

Joseph using hamon against a tangible manifestation is cano. Aura appears as a tangible manifestation, it's proven when the Grimm, whom lack a soul and therefore aura,are also able to interact against aura.

Now let me REALLY spell this one out for anyone who likes to misinterpret shit:

This means Joseph is able to use hamon against TANGIBLE manifestations of the soul, which INCLUDES aura.

Now where's my goddamn kudos?
 
Kudosing yourself makes you look hella arrogant.

Your "narrator's stand manifestation" line is an anime-only statement. Read the manga.

You and your Stand coexist, but it's still labeled as your soul regardless. Again, read the manga and DIO's conversations with Pucci about Whitesnake.

This is Jonathan's fight, not Joseph's.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Although if thats the case.

Hamon can go through hamon (life energy). And hamon defense is a passive effect. See Joseph vs santana. (Joseph also once ysed hamon on his skin to stop a knife).

Ya sure ya wanna go the "life energy" route? Because may as well treat hamon and aura as the same then. Verse equalization of life energy and all.
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I don't want to follow any route, it's life energy because that's what the show clearly says.

If it can go through shields made of Hamon and Hamon is life force it will go through Aura yes.
 
The fact that you guys keep acting like Joseph is the one fighting here and giving Jonathan Joseph's hamon techniques and applications really isnt helping your argument. Joseph and Jonathan had two very different ways of using Hamon, Jonathan never used hamon as a forcefield nor did he show the ability to hurt people through their own hamon.
 
Also a hamon barrier doesnt operate even remotely similar to Aura. As shown by Caesar, a hamon barrier has to be physically activated in order for it to work and is not active at all times, a hamon user can still be cut and burned which shouldnt be possible if the barrier were passive, and the damage they recieve isnt changed, such as how Joseph got his hand cut off by Kars which if hamon operated like aura would simply translate the attack into blunt damage
 
Also also where are yall getting that hamon is life force? Its stated so many times that its energy identical to that which is produced by the sun that im amazed that people are arguing its not. Its the reason why it works to counter vampires and the pillar men, even when Kars attains his ultimate form he flat out states that the sun doesnt affect him any more which is why hamon has no effect against him.
 
Wait wait wait. I just want some clarification, how effective is hamon against a human being? ]

Since the energy it produces is said to be identical to the sun. iirc The only time it ever shown to hurt a human was when Pefect Kars burned Joseph with hamon 100x stronger than what Joseph can output other than that is techniques that Jonathan do not have.
 
Arigarmy said:
Kudosing yourself makes you look hella arrogant.
Your "narrator's stand manifestation" line is an anime-only statement. Read the manga.

You and your Stand coexist, but it's still labeled as your soul regardless. Again, read the manga and DIO's conversations with Pucci about Whitesnake.

This is Jonathan's fight, not Joseph's.
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omg really?

I'm just going to re-post and update everything that there's a problem with, because if I don't, people are going to magically forget a few posts later.

Aura ITSELF is what is coating the user in the forcefield, it's clearly proven in the promotional video. Aura does not generate energy to coat the user, it is the energy.

A stand is not your soul, it is a manifestation of your soul. Narrarator explained that (admittedly anime only), even Kira appearing as a soul/ghost proves it, if his stand really was his soul, he would look like Killer Queen. He even summons Killer Queen as a spirit, so his soul clearly isn't Killer Queen. Regardless if you label a stand as a "soul", it's clearly not, since you can't have two souls. Having a manifestation of your soul shattered (in this case, a stand) doesn't necessarily mean your soul shatters, it just means that manifestation created has been destroyed.

Aura is not your soul, it is a manifestation of your soul. Promotional video explained that, Pyrrah explained that as well. To say it is not is incorrect, no matter how you spin it. Having a manifestation of your soul shattered (in this case, aura) doesn't necessarily mean your soul shatters, it just means that manifestation has been destroyed.

Joseph using hamon against a tangible manifestation is cano. Aura appears as a tangible manifestation, it's proven when the Grimm, whom lack a soul and therefore aura, are also able to interact against aura.

Now let me REALLY spell this one out for anyone who likes to misinterpret shit:

This means JONATHAN is able to use hamon against TANGIBLE manifestations of the soul, which INCLUDES aura.

There's no difference between Joseph and Jonathan's hamo (or any hamon, really) aside from maybe proficency and potency, and even that is not too far off. If Joseph is able to use hamon against tangible manifestations, this means Jonathan should be able to use it too.
 
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