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Damn you’re right, well what does Rubia start off with? Since I think we both know what both are capable of doing and their potential wincons
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Basically a stomp matchAs stated by other thread, shell try to use range attack but since it's close range she'll use her swordmanship.
From what I'm seeing on his profile, Deconstruction is from the Wonder Combos tab, which, unless I misunderstood, isn't used here?Saber pulling out his deconstruction tornado
Saber Divine flame came from Rekka and Brave Dragon. Rekka itself is the very first and strongest Seiken to exist, outshine that of Saikou and Kurayami sisters Seiken that represent darkness and light. The other came from Brave Dragon Wonder Ride Book. Wonder Ride Book is a fragment/page that has been scattered from the Book of Almighty, aka, Book of Omniscience, and so on. Book of Almighty contained, and dictate anything that has, could, and will happened and govern the very story of the universe itself. While the Wonder Ride Book is merely a fragment you might be able to see the scope of how big the Book of Almighty is.However, beyond that is the question of whether STnBD's and Kamen Rider's divine aspects are even comparable. Saber's profile mentioned Holy Manipulation and holy weapons, but Holy as in the element and aspect or Holy as in divine stuff? If it's the element, then Rubia can handle it just fine. If it's the divine stuff, then I'm unsure if Rubia can handle that part of the arsenal.
- The Elemental Lords are this series' equivalent to the highest form of power. They are essentially treated as divinities by the population. And elementalists can interact or even fight against the elements and spell of the Lords.
Hmm to make some sort of equivalent, most Rider is able to senses "evil" or Megid nearby. But Touma is able to see Luna, his childhood friend and the avatar of the Book of Almighty, through a wormhole into some sort of wormhole while other cannot at first. Not sure if that'll work tho but later on he's able to see some serious shit like Durendal moving inside timeless abyss.I don't know if the Kamen Rider verse has magic in it or a type of energy similar enough; if Saber has a high magical affinity, he should sense it. Once cast, the IB does 3 things: it weakens enemies inside, it reverts the effects of stat amps and cancels enemy barriers, and it makes the caster (and her allies) a lot harder to track or discern... you can think of it as a sort of perception manipulation. However, it's not known if IB can revert multiple stat-amps or only 1. At the very least, I don't think it would work against Saber's Reactive PL.
And on this part... it's weird. On one hand a part can definitely be contribute to his own skill and talents alone, but maybe the fact that he's mark with the MC of the multiverse status from Luna might have also help.Saber's skill with a sword is a result of going from zero to hero, while Rubia's skill comes from ridiculous natural talent and being the reincarnation of the girl who slayed the Demon Lord 1000 years ago. It's a "hard work vs natural talent" debate, but considering Saber's insane level of skill, I don't think even Rubia can match. And since they start 10 meters apart, it's more likely Rubia will use sword + some spells rather than 100% spells, and Saber can capitalize on that.
Alright, so about the IB, like what Nice had said, Saber is capable of seeing things that other Riders cannot see, these Riders having strong enough senses to grasp the surroundings around them like a 3D map (Kinda like a daredevil radar sense but without the precog).The Isolation Barrier can be sensed and dispelled, however for that to happen, the other person needs to have a high magical affinity and/or have very specific or directed knowledge and experience in dealing with barriers. The IB isn't a type of barrier that's inherently visible to the naked eye, but instead "visible with your senses", if you get what I mean. I don't know if the Kamen Rider verse has magic in it or a type of energy similar enough; if Saber has a high magical affinity, he should sense it. Once cast, the IB does 3 things: it weakens enemies inside, it reverts the effects of stat amps and cancels enemy barriers, and it makes the caster (and her allies) a lot harder to track or discern... you can think of it as a sort of perception manipulation. However, it's not known if IB can revert multiple stat-amps or only 1. At the very least, I don't think it would work against Saber's Reactive PL.
Well Rekka and even the armor that Saber is wearing is considered to be a holy weapon, with the data books consistently mentioning that the flames that Rekka generates aren't normal as they're "Holy Flames".The Elemental Lords are this series' equivalent to the highest form of power. They are essentially treated as divinities by the population. And elementalists can interact or even fight against the elements and spell of the Lords.
However, beyond that is the question of whether STnBD's and Kamen Rider's divine aspects are even comparable. Saber's profile mentioned Holy Manipulation and holy weapons, but Holy as in the element and aspect or Holy as in divine stuff? If it's the element, then Rubia can handle it just fine. If it's the divine stuff, then I'm unsure if Rubia can handle that part of the arsenal.
Frost Blaze may work...may. See, it honestly just depends on how strong these things are compared to Saber's fire as in his base form, Saber is capable of generatng fire that deconstructs. That's with a normal Volume One state, we're using Draconic Knight, who's massively above 4.5x than his base. EoV's going to get reflected, as the reflection doesn't come from the fire, it actually just Saber spinning his sword really fast.Considering the starting range is 10 meters and Saber has a weapon of his own, it's likely for Rubia to engage in swordfighting alongside spells
- Speaking of spells, I'll bring up the two special ones
- Frost Blaze produces blue flames that can freeze anything they come in contact with, including elements or NPI enemies, and shatter them into tiny pieces. They can bypass durability and fire/ice/magic resistance, as not even Georgios, a spirit whose of the primary appeals is how much he can tank and resist, and Terminus Est, the Demon Lord-slaying-and-anti-magic-sword spirit herself was affected by them.
- End of Vermillion is a more "traditionnal" fire spell whose main appeal is being an anti-fire spell. If EoV's flames come in contact with other flames, those are then nullified and "eaten" by EoV. Even Frost Blaze gets countered by EoV, and other characters than Rubia have interacted with Elemental Lords before, like the protagonist Kamito, but even Rinslet who's much weaker and interacted with the Water Lord. EoV similarly bypasses durability and fire resistance, even absorption.
The decon comes from his base form which is far weaker than Draconic Knight, the form we're using. Both Brave Dragon (The Base Form) and Draconic Knight are forms which specialized with fire attacks, it's just that Draconic Knight is far stronger than Brave Dragon.From what I'm seeing on his profile, Deconstruction is from the Wonder Combos tab, which, unless I misunderstood, isn't used here?
Oh. When I asked about the abilities in this fight, you didn't correct me that he also had Base Forms/Wonder Combos abilities.which abilities does Saber have in this fight in particular? I assume he has Civilian-Innate + Draconic Knight + Resistances from Wonder Combos
Just for more clarity, Saber can reflect attack like what you said but his fire passively bounce backs attacks in this form.Frost Blaze may work...may. See, it honestly just depends on how strong these things are compared to Saber's fire as in his base form, Saber is capable of generatng fire that deconstructs. That's with a normal Volume One state, we're using Draconic Knight, who's massively above 4.5x than his base. EoV's going to get reflected, as the reflection doesn't come from the fire, it actually just Saber spinning his sword really fast.
Thanks for the clarity.Just for more clarity, Saber can reflect attack like what you said but his fire passively bounce backs attacks in this form.
I meant to say which form of Touma is restricted and which isn'tBrave Dragon is his base but this thread agrees that this fight is a stomp