Rubia Elstein VS Kamen Rider Saber

[Nicetoderp]

Since I missed the Survival of the Fittest High 8-C bracket I decide to make this thread for the hell of it.

-8-B Rubia and Saber is used. Anything that goes above it is restricted.

-Speed is equalized.

-Battle take place in the Budokai Arena but the entire city can be used.

-The fighter are 10 meters away from one another.

-Otherwise SBA.

Queen of Flame:

Swordsman of Flame:

 

[Nicetoderp]

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[speedster352]

Well rubia can win this with precongtion and fire and ice that ignore restiances towards them and freeze logic itself. She has 2 durability negation that she can spam at a safe range and keep herself safe with barriers and limited precognition. I vote rubia

 

[Nicetoderp]

Only Frost Blaze and End of Vermillion. As state by other thread she need a good opening for that sort of attacks and this is a Kamen Rider Saber character.

Her AoE attack get counter by either Saber twirling his sword a whole bunch or any of his flame attack bounce back opponent projectile right back at them this allow him to easily get into close distance without trouble, not only that, he's able to summoned his Brave Dragon which is scale to his AP level being far, far above 34 tons.

His own flame is far more intense than his Crimson Dragon flame which deconstruct opponent from sheer heat.

 

[speedster352]

Only Frost Blaze and End of Vermillion. As state by other thread she need a good opening for that sort of attacks and this is a Kamen Rider Saber character.

Her AoE attack get counter by either Saber twirling his sword a whole bunch or any of his flame attack bounce back opponent projectile right back at them this allow him to easily get into close distance without trouble, not only that, he's able to summoned his Brave Dragon which is scale to his AP level being far, far above 34 tons.

His own flame is far more intense than his Crimson Dragon flame which deconstruct opponent from sheer heat.

• Fire Ball: A devastating ball of fire that can burn a forest part to the ground with relative ease. She can make it explode if she wants. Her Fireball’s power and size is several times greater than Claire’s
• Fire Wall: A wall of upwards-moving fire that can weaken attacks and completely block fire spells
• Fire Burst: A very bright and loud attack consisting of a rain of small fire projectiles. Weaker than Fireball, but has a larger AoE and is effective on dark-attribute enemies
• Hell Hounds: Flames that turn into semi-living hunting hounds that relentlessly chase their target
• Mirages: Rubia can create illusions/mirages of herself by manipulating temperature. From an outsider, it looks like teleportation
• Flame Howl: Summons a large fire dragon that chases its target, and can be made to explode in a large burst. As fast as Kamito
• Eternal Blood of the Phoenix: The one and only fire healing spell that also resupplies Divine Power and temporarily strengthens the target[3]
• End of Vermillion: The power of Flame-Burning Flames, the strongest type of flames. The spell can do anything other fire spells can, but also destroys or devours other flames, and can even annihilate weaker fire creatures. Effective at blocking water attacks. Their power is such that they can bypass fire resistance. Those flames are described as being foreign to both the Human World and the Spirit World (Astral Zero), implying the origin of those flames is otherwordly[5]. The flames of this spell are strong enough to resist getting absorbed[6] by other spells or weakening effects
• Flames of Elstein: Passive magic that stabilizes her magic, makes her more durable, and her fire attacks get stronger
• Muspelheim: The strongest version of Laevateinn’s flames, causing widespread destruction around it[1]. Their power is such that they can bypass fire resistance. Scarlet, a top-rank fire spirit, was unable to carelessly approach Rubia's spells empowered with it
• Frost Blaze: The logic-bending freezing flames. They freeze anything they touch, including even flames, make them very fragile and can thus shatter them into tiny pieces. These flames later one-shot Fianna's Georgios, and even froze Terminus Est who can resist ice and is known as an anti-magic legendary sword[2]

Other Magic: Her barriers can’t be dispelled by anyone but equally ranked Queens

• Isolation Barrier: A small barrier with very low magic emission and which hides the presence of anyone inside; extremely hard to discern, even for spirits. Casting it also overwrites any existing enemy barrier and/or stat-boosting spell and instead has the opposite effect[7][1]
• Barrier-Break: A high-level spell that cancels and shatters other barriers
• Word of Power: A simple spell with which Rubia applies strong magic on her words, allowing her to control the thoughts and actions of the target over time, though she needs an opening to do so. Not even characters with strong willpower can resist it for long[1]. By using more power, she can turn the target mad and with little control over their actions; even someone like Leonora Lancaster fell victim to it[7]
• Brand of Darkness: A spell that allows Rubia to do two things: 1) to seal away spirits, monsters, familiars, summons, and the like, making them unable to be used or summoned again, unless dispelled; 2) to cause someone's inner power to become uncontrollable and berserk. In either case, physical contact of a couple seconds is required[8]
• Elemental Resistance
• Element-weakening Barriers

Spirit Manipulation

• Weapon Form (Laevateinn): A large longsword can summons flames capable of melting anything around it in an instant, even fire-protected bedrock. She forced a land dragon spirit to dematerialize, a type of spirit with high defenses and high resistance to fire, and she can casually push back Kamito and Est
• Titan Form (Laevateinn, Godslaying Flames): In the form of a flame giant, Laevateinn is the strongest fire spirit to exist. Its real size and power are so massive, fully summoning is a taboo, lest it destroys everything. It can manipulate fire, burn everything in its surroundings and turn them into magma, bypassing fire resistance, barriers and elemental-weakening spells, absorbing fire and has near-instant Regeneration from getting broken into pieces by Kamito. Laevateinn’s true power dwarfs what Rubia used against Kamito, because that was all her body and mind could handle. A single arm alone (what Team Scarlet fought) dwarfed Fianna’s Save the Queen and casually brushed off Kamito’s Vorpal Blast attack. If Rubia becomes too weakened, Laevateinn will start acting on its own and attempt to “summon” itself. To do so, it will create a rift in space and try to pass through the crack.

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Fire Manipulation, Proficient Swordswoman, Spirit Contract, Energy Manipulation, Spirit Manipulation, Extremely sharp senses and Extrasensory Perception reaching borderline Precognition (As a former Elemental Queen, her senses are among the highest of the entire series, and her instinct is so sharp she can deduce and predict events), Non-Physical Interaction (Can interact and harm spirits that can turn intangible or incorporeal), Information Analysis (Can understand an opponent's skill and power level with a quick overview), Heat Manipulation, Homing Attack, Explosion Manipulation, Forcefield Creation, Durability Negation with Frost Blaze and End of Vermillion, Resistance Negation with high-level spells (Her stronger flames have melted a cathedral protected by fire-resisting spells, and Frost Blaze bypasses both fire and ice resistance due to its nature), Slight Air Manipulation (Can absorb oxygen with her flames and turn wind into a fire vortex), Instinctive Reaction (Better than Kamito's; she can react to attacks from blind-spot or who are camouflaged, and to assassins that specialize in stealth), Statistics Amplification by infusing her body parts with Divine Power, Can infuse her whole body with Divine Power, Freezing with Frost Blaze, Statistics Amplification and Healing with Eternal Blood of Phoenix, Purification (Types 1, 2 and 3), Sealing and Unsealing with Brand of Darkness, Statistics Reduction and Stealth Mastery with Isolation Barrier, Necromancy and Resurrection (limited to spirits), Illusion Creation by manipulating temperature, Danmaku with Fire Burst, Curse Manipulation and Madness Manipulation (Type 2) as a result of Mind Manipulation with Word of Power (Can turn anyone berserk, make their powers uncontrollable, and bring forth subconscious and primal instincts), Memory Manipulation (not combat-applicable, unless used after Mind Manipulation), Aura (Intimidation and powerful enough to burn things around her), Social Influencing (Became the leader of a rebellion in another country and convinced hundreds of people to follow her with unflinching loyalty), Environmental Destruction with Muspelheim, Weapon Summoning, Telepathy with Laevateinn and minor spirits, Minor Light Manipulation, Resistance to (fire, steel, cold, earth, wind, electricity, poison, diseases, mind manipulation, memory manipulation, and Fear Manipulation (Unfazed by Muir Alenstarl's presence)), Great Strategist, (Spatial Manipulation, Magma Manipulation, Fire Absorption, Fire Resistance Negation and Regeneration (at least Mid, near-instantaneous, possibly High-Mid with more time)) with Laevateinn's Titan form

 

[speedster352]

Only Frost Blaze and End of Vermillion. As state by other thread she need a good opening for that sort of attacks and this is a Kamen Rider Saber character.

Her AoE attack get counter by either Saber twirling his sword a whole bunch or any of his flame attack bounce back opponent projectile right back at them this allow him to easily get into close distance without trouble, not only that, he's able to summoned his Brave Dragon which is scale to his AP level being far, far above 34 tons.

His own flame is far more intense than his Crimson Dragon flame which deconstruct opponent from sheer heat.

Rubia has barriers that cannot be broken besides someone as the same ranked queen and can make her invisible even to senseors and can make the opening with danmaku and word magic and brand of darkness. Rubia has crazy aoe spam attacks so she can make an opening with her 2 durabity negation moves.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Rubia has barriers that cannot be broken besides someone as the same ranked queen and can make her invisible even to senseors and can make the opening with danmaku and word magic and brand of darkness. Rubia has crazy aoe spam attacks so she can make an opening with her 2 durabity negation moves.

Undispellsable barrier sound like NLF unless it's specifically have a sort of Invul attach to it. With Saber obscene AP advantage combined with RPL from Rekka her barrier will be shattered from sheer force.

Brand of Darkness required physical contact and Saber can make wall for fire of his own or sprout his fire upward or covered himself in his own fire and now she'll have to deal with her own AoE. And the distance is 10 meters so not sure how she'll range spam especially since Saber also have flight combined with the fact that he outrange her. He can also spawn his fire under her feet as well if she doesn't want to engage in swordplay.

 

[speedster352]

Undispellsable barrier sound like NLF unless it's specifically have a sort of Invul attach to it. With Saber obscene AP advantage combined with RPL from Rekka her barrier will be shattered from sheer force.

Brand of Darkness required physical contact and Saber can make wall for fire of his own or sprout his fire upward or covered himself in his own fire and now she'll have to deal with her own AoE. And the distance is 10 meters so not sure how she'll range spam especially since Saber also have flight combined with the fact that he outrange her. He can also spawn his fire under her feet as well if she doesn't want to engage in swordplay.

Stop with the selective reading it can be broken but it's hard to do. She can make herself invisible and un sensable even by magic users. This barrier reverses stat amps so saber will get weaker instead. Rubia has instinctive reactions and limited precognition and illusions. She can spam attacks to make an opening for her hax.

• Fire Ball: A devastating ball of fire that can burn a forest part to the ground with relative ease. She can make it explode if she wants. Her Fireball’s power and size is several times greater than Claire’s
• Fire Wall: A wall of upwards-moving fire that can weaken attacks and completely block fire spells
• Fire Burst: A very bright and loud attack consisting of a rain of small fire projectiles. Weaker than Fireball, but has a larger AoE and is effective on dark-attribute enemies
• Hell Hounds: Flames that turn into semi-living hunting hounds that relentlessly chase their target
• Mirages: Rubia can create illusions/mirages of herself by manipulating temperature. From an outsider, it looks like teleportation
• Flame Howl: Summons a large fire dragon that chases its target, and can be made to explode in a large burst. As fast as Kamito
• Eternal Blood of the Phoenix: The one and only fire healing spell that also resupplies Divine Power and temporarily strengthens the target[3]
• End of Vermillion: The power of Flame-Burning Flames, the strongest type of flames. The spell can do anything other fire spells can, but also destroys or devours other flames, and can even annihilate weaker fire creatures. Effective at blocking water attacks. Their power is such that they can bypass fire resistance. Those flames are described as being foreign to both the Human World and the Spirit World (Astral Zero), implying the origin of those flames is otherwordly[5]. The flames of this spell are strong enough to resist getting absorbed[6] by other spells or weakening effects
• Flames of Elstein: Passive magic that stabilizes her magic, makes her more durable, and her fire attacks get stronger
• Muspelheim: The strongest version of Laevateinn’s flames, causing widespread destruction around it[1]. Their power is such that they can bypass fire resistance. Scarlet, a top-rank fire spirit, was unable to carelessly approach Rubia's spells empowered with it
• Frost Blaze: The logic-bending freezing flames. They freeze anything they touch, including even flames, make them very fragile and can thus shatter them into tiny pieces. These flames later one-shot Fianna's Georgios, and even froze Terminus Est who can resist ice and is known as an anti-magic legendary sword[2]

Other Magic: Her barriers can’t be dispelled by anyone but equally ranked Queens

• Isolation Barrier: A small barrier with very low magic emission and which hides the presence of anyone inside; extremely hard to discern, even for spirits. Casting it also overwrites any existing enemy barrier and/or stat-boosting spell and instead has the opposite effect[7][1]
• Barrier-Break: A high-level spell that cancels and shatters other barriers
• Word of Power: A simple spell with which Rubia applies strong magic on her words, allowing her to control the thoughts and actions of the target over time, though she needs an opening to do so. Not even characters with strong willpower can resist it for long[1]. By using more power, she can turn the target mad and with little control over their actions; even someone like Leonora Lancaster fell victim to it[7]
• Brand of Darkness: A spell that allows Rubia to do two things: 1) to seal away spirits, monsters, familiars, summons, and the like, making them unable to be used or summoned again, unless dispelled; 2) to cause someone's inner power to become uncontrollable and berserk. In either case, physical contact of a couple seconds is required[8]
• Elemental Resistance
• Element-weakening Barriers

Spirit Manipulation

• Weapon Form (Laevateinn): A large longsword can summons flames capable of melting anything around it in an instant, even fire-protected bedrock. She forced a land dragon spirit to dematerialize, a type of spirit with high defenses and high resistance to fire, and she can casually push back Kamito and Est
• Titan Form (Laevateinn, Godslaying Flames): In the form of a flame giant, Laevateinn is the strongest fire spirit to exist. Its real size and power are so massive, fully summoning is a taboo, lest it destroys everything. It can manipulate fire, burn everything in its surroundings and turn them into magma, bypassing fire resistance, barriers and elemental-weakening spells, absorbing fire and has near-instant Regeneration from getting broken into pieces by Kamito. Laevateinn’s true power dwarfs what Rubia used against Kamito, because that was all her body and mind could handle. A single arm alone (what Team Scarlet fought) dwarfed Fianna’s Save the Queen and casually brushed off Kamito’s Vorpal Blast attack. If Rubia becomes too weakened, Laevateinn will start acting on its own and attempt to “summon” itself. To do so, it will create a rift in space and try to pass through the crack.

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Fire Manipulation, Proficient Swordswoman, Spirit Contract, Energy Manipulation, Spirit Manipulation, Extremely sharp senses and Extrasensory Perception reaching borderline Precognition (As a former Elemental Queen, her senses are among the highest of the entire series, and her instinct is so sharp she can deduce and predict events), Non-Physical Interaction (Can interact and harm spirits that can turn intangible or incorporeal), Information Analysis (Can understand an opponent's skill and power level with a quick overview), Heat Manipulation, Homing Attack, Explosion Manipulation, Forcefield Creation, Durability Negation with Frost Blaze and End of Vermillion, Resistance Negation with high-level spells (Her stronger flames have melted a cathedral protected by fire-resisting spells, and Frost Blaze bypasses both fire and ice resistance due to its nature), Slight Air Manipulation (Can absorb oxygen with her flames and turn wind into a fire vortex), Instinctive Reaction (Better than Kamito's; she can react to attacks from blind-spot or who are camouflaged, and to assassins that specialize in stealth), Statistics Amplification by infusing her body parts with Divine Power, Can infuse her whole body with Divine Power, Freezing with Frost Blaze, Statistics Amplification and Healing with Eternal Blood of Phoenix, Purification (Types 1, 2 and 3), Sealing and Unsealing with Brand of Darkness, Statistics Reduction and Stealth Mastery with Isolation Barrier, Necromancy and Resurrection (limited to spirits), Illusion Creation by manipulating temperature, Danmaku with Fire Burst, Curse Manipulation and Madness Manipulation (Type 2) as a result of Mind Manipulation with Word of Power (Can turn anyone berserk, make their powers uncontrollable, and bring forth subconscious and primal instincts), Memory Manipulation (not combat-applicable, unless used after Mind Manipulation), Aura (Intimidation and powerful enough to burn things around her), Social Influencing (Became the leader of a rebellion in another country and convinced hundreds of people to follow her with unflinching loyalty), Environmental Destruction with Muspelheim, Weapon Summoning, Telepathy with Laevateinn and minor spirits, Minor Light Manipulation, Resistance to (fire, steel, cold, earth, wind, electricity, poison, diseases, mind manipulation, memory manipulation, and Fear Manipulation (Unfazed by Muir Alenstarl's presence)), Great Strategist, (Spatial Manipulation, Magma Manipulation, Fire Absorption, Fire Resistance Negation and Regeneration (at least Mid, near-instantaneous, possibly High-Mid with more time)) with Laevateinn's Titan form

 

[BERRIES555]

What selective reading…..you’re the one who said the barriers are outright invincible against people weaker than the Queen, Nice literally just countered your argument by stating Saber’s various stat boost and superior AP. There literally was no selective reading, he saw your post and responded from what you said.

Nullifying via the barriers will vary depending on how good the nullification is and like what Nice had said, can drastically amp himself and is already stronger than her. Her invisibility only says that she gets harder to detect and that spirits can detect her, which really doesn’t help grasp at how effective it is. Saber has good enough senses that he’s able to detect the surrounding area in a 3D map, so he’s not just going to see where she’ll be but also how she affects the surroundings.

And like the others you gotta give an example on how well the precog is. The instinctive reactions is counter by Saber pulling out his deconstruction tornado, she’ll have to move faster than the tornado could touch her, Saber could create multiple of these.

Also, Saber’s fire is divine in nature, so resisting Saber’s fire is different from resisting normal fire.

 

[speedster352]

What selective reading…..you’re the one who said the barriers are outright invincible against people weaker than the Queen, Nice literally just countered your argument by stating Saber’s various stat boost and superior AP. There literally was no selective reading, he saw your post and responded from what you said.

Nullifying via the barriers will vary depending on how good the nullification is and like what Nice had said, can drastically amp himself and is already stronger than her. Her invisibility only says that she gets harder to detect and that spirits can detect her, which really doesn’t help grasp at how effective it is. Saber has good enough senses that he’s able to detect the surrounding area in a 3D map, so he’s not just going to see where she’ll be but also how she affects the surroundings.

And like the others you gotta give an example on how well the precog is. The instinctive reactions is counter by Saber pulling out his deconstruction tornado, she’ll have to move faster than the tornado could touch her, Saber could create multiple of these.

Also, Saber’s fire is divine in nature, so resisting Saber’s fire is different from resisting normal fire.

Stat amps will be reversed so saber will instead become weaker when she uses the isolation barrier which will also remove Rubia's presence and Rubia has other haxes. Please read Rubia's profile.

 

[BERRIES555]

Again, it depends on how strong the barrier’s nullifying effect is. Saber doesn’t use things like spells to amp himself, his stat amps comes from Rekka’s divine ability to boost itself. And Saber’s already stronger than Rubia, so the barriers still wouldn’t be an ability which stops Saber from attacking.

 

[speedster352]

Again, it depends on how strong the barrier’s nullifying effect is. Saber doesn’t use things like spells to amp himself, his stat amps comes from Rekka’s divine ability to boost itself. And Saber’s already stronger than Rubia, so the barriers still wouldn’t be an ability which stops Saber from attacking.

It's potent if you try an amp yourself it will be reversed just read her profile

 

[BERRIES555]

Tell me how potent it is and Saber’s already stronger than Rubia. Read his profile

 

[speedster352]

Stop with the selective reading it can be broken but it's hard to do. She can make herself invisible and un sensable even by magic users. This barrier reverses stat amps so saber will get weaker instead. Rubia has instinctive reactions and limited precognition and illusions. She can spam attacks to make an opening for her hax.

Tell me how potent it is and Saber’s already stronger than Rubia. Read his profile

Read this Rubia stats reduction works on those who use spirits to amp themselves. saber will get weaker if saber uses stat amps saber will become weaker than Rubia also Rubia has power of words. What for golden scorpion to make better arguments that's all I have for now.

 

[BERRIES555]

That tells me nothing. Tell me how much she can reverse and again, Saber’s stronger so he wouldn’t even need to amp his stats. Power of Words needs an opening first and it’s occurs over time and Saber have his will to resist for even longer. PoW also needs to take in full affect before Saber already kills her with his superior AP and decon

 

[speedster352]

That tells me nothing. Tell me how much she can reverse and again, Saber’s stronger so he wouldn’t even need to amp his stats. Power of Words needs an opening first and it’s occurs over time and Saber have his will to resist for even longer. PoW also needs to take in full affect before Saber already kills her with his superior AP and decon

Precog and instinctive reaction, information analysis counters that she will fight at a range with her homing attacks and hid her presence with her barrier and she will make an opening for her hax. Rubia has more versatility in offence and defence also SBA has changed so saber won't decon off the bat.

 

[BERRIES555]

What I’m SBA prevents Saber from using his tornados and you need to give an example of her stealth other than “She's harder to detect”

 

[speedster352]

What I’m SBA prevents Saber from using his tornados

They want to win and are in character not bloodlusted or willing to kill

 

[BERRIES555]

He does he decon tornados in character. The decon comes from any of his fire attacks. And SBA has the characters assume that the other is fighting because of their free will and that if they lose, fire consequences will happen. In this point of the series, Saber will assume that if he loses, Calibur will fight the rest of and beat his team. Beating Calibur is something that Saber prepared for the entire arc so he’s not going to stop at anything to win this fight so he could go on and beat Calibur.

 

[speedster352]

He does he decon tornados in character. The decon comes from any of his fire attacks. And SBA has the characters assume that the other is fighting because of their free will and that if they lose, fire consequences will happen. In this point of the series, Saber will assume that if he loses, Calibur will fight the rest of and beat his team. Beating Calibur is something that Saber prepared for the entire arc so he’s not going to stop at anything to win this fight so he could go on and beat Calibur.

Rubia resists fire. Just ask golden scorpion to get here he is way more knowledgeable about Rubia.

 

[BERRIES555]

Rekka’s fire is different from normal fire as it’s divine in nature.

 

[speedster352]

Rekka’s fire is different from normal fire as it’s divine in nature.

Rubia resist them that's the point of the series resisting divine abilities like divine fire

 

[BERRIES555]

Could you send me a scan, could I can’t find anything that indicates that her flames are holy or divine

 

[speedster352]

Could you send me a scan, could I can’t find anything that indicates that her flames are holy or divine

Read her profile the fires that they use are otherworldly or divine-like I said ask golden scorpion.

Rubia has 2 different ways to deal with barriers, one is by shattering them with a spell, the other by casting Isolation Barrier, which overwrites existing barriers and applies stat reduction to enemies. Rubia also has her own forcefield that act as an extra layer of defense.
Beyond that, two of Rubia's attacks bypass durability and resistance, and Frost Blaze can even freeze things like fire and wind, then shatter them in pieces.

In terms of AP, the scale is: Rubia > Muir > Post-Awakening Claire >> Base Claire = the 4.64 feat. So while it's unknown how strong Rubia is exactly, she's quite higher than 4.64 tons. And that's before Rubia's stat amps of which she has 3 + a 4th for fire attacks.

However, Rubia's senses, intelligence and instincts are such that it will be hard to land a hit on her. While Rubia's attacks and spells can be combo'ed and mixed-up to reach devastating effects or surprise attacks or overwhelming force.

Against the likes of Fire Ball and Fire Wall, Spring Thunder could possibly work. However, against EoV, Muspelheim or Frost Blaze, it would be far harder to successfully repel them.

Would run the risk of being caught in the massive AoE of Muspelheim or the Durability-negating antics of EoV and FB. Hell Hounds and Flame Howl being homing attacks makes it harder to read the trajectory of the attack. Also, while weaker, Fire Burst is a danmaku attack which, combined with other spells going on, would be hard to dodge.

In terms of additional things, Rubia has access to illusions in the form of heat manipulation that, from an outsider's perspective, looks like Teleportation. Another option is Word of Power, which, if used over the course of a few seconds, can affect a person's mind and weaken it, and allow Rubia to slightly control their thoughts and body movements; not even characters with high willpower or minor mind resistance could resist that. Finally, she has her Information Analysis and borderline Precog, both of which can help understand her opponent and last-second dodge or react to attacks. They have been described as logic-bending flames that freeze anything they touch, including things that should be unable to be frozen or resist being frozen; they defy the laws of nature. EoV are also treated as otherwordly flames that exist neither in the human realm nor the spirit realm. Fianna's Save the Queen, which is the strongest barrier a single person can create, was destroyed by Rubia, something the aforementioned Leonora couldn't do even when stat-amped. Save the Queen is also a type of barrier that anyone less talented than Fianna cannot dispell, but Rubia is quite literally more talented than Fianna in every way, and can break it with her spells. Even if I don't doubt Ming's Bell is a really potent barrier, Rubia overcame the strongest barrier of her verse low-diff. Regardless of how much we want to say that Bell > Save the Queen because X or Y reasons, the fact remains that Rubia has means to do it. As a bonus, Isolation Barrier considerably decreases Rubia's presence, making it very difficult for anyone to track her or find her. Considering the environment of the fight, this is ideal for her.
Rubia surpasses and can casually spar and overwhelm: Kamito, the protagonist who was trained for years as the strongest assassin on the continent and who owned the title of Strongest Blade Dancer (basically, strongest fighter), and who also possesses the skills to perform the most advanced sword techniques to exist, Fianna, who is another highly talented, skilled and intelligent Elemental Queen candidate, whose extrasensory perception is excellent and can sense the most minute of supernatural energy and activity, whose mental fortitude is at a level of enduring days-long mental torture, and who was able to coordinate the magic of tens of elementalists to stop the advance of a living city, Leonora, the strongest elementalist of a rival country who has superior power to Kamito and has a bloodlust state that considerably amps her, Muir, the 2nd best assassin on the continent whose presence alone causes emotionless assassins to tremble in fear, and her own sister Claire, who's a genius and an excellent tactical fighter in her own right, and who owns one of the strongest spirits in the series. Rubia is also the reincarnation of Areishia Idriss, the strongest warrior to have ever existed and who was the one who defeated the Demon King.

Minus Areishia, Rubia at her peak casually surpasses every other character in the series. Even if we use the criteria that both Rubia and Ming have extensively trained since birth, Rubia possesses 4 extra years ot experience than Ming, which includes being a military commander, the leader of a country rebellion, and successfully learning and mastering the forbidden art of necromancy which she used to create the materialization of the Demon King's will, among other things. Not even the Hierarch, a being that is over 1000 years old and possessed the master spellcaster Sjora, was able to stop or defeat Rubia.

 

[speedster352]

Undispellsable barrier sound like NLF unless it's specifically have a sort of Invul attach to it. With Saber obscene AP advantage combined with RPL from Rekka her barrier will be shattered from sheer force.

Brand of Darkness required physical contact and Saber can make wall for fire of his own or sprout his fire upward or covered himself in his own fire and now she'll have to deal with her own AoE. And the distance is 10 meters so not sure how she'll range spam especially since Saber also have flight combined with the fact that he outrange her. He can also spawn his fire under her feet as well if she doesn't want to engage in swordplay.

I will list some things Rubia can do in this fight.

Most of Rubia's arsenal outranges Joseph, with large AoE. Hell Hounds and Flame Howl are homing attacks, End of Vermillion and Frost Blaze bypass durability, and Muspelheim is her strongest spell AP-wise. She can control her flames in such a way to make an area devoid of oxygen while boosting her fire's power and range, which is troublesome for Joseph. Her illusions are an option for feints and tricks.
Rubia has her own Information Analysis and Instinctive Reactions, while her senses and perception have been trained to the level of reaching borderline precognition, which works during combat too. Joseph seems to be smarter, though Rubia is a genius of her own right, reaching a level of skill and mastery of her craft that had never been seen before in history, combined with a strategic and methodical mind.
Rubia also has several methods of stat-amping herself, and healing and stamina-recovery if needed. In terms of defense, Rubia can activate a fire forcefield or create an Isolation Barrier (which can be cast quickly) which would depower Joseph. And with enough time, Word of Power can affect Joseph's mind, which he has no resistance against; while Rubia resists effects that mess with the mind as a result of her Elemental Queen training.

Considering the skill levels of both fighters, their instinctive reactions/analysis/experience, their proficiency in blocking or dodging, and how each has a potential one-shotting move, this looks to be a "whoever lands a hit first gains a considerable advantage".
In the context of this fight, I think Rubia's single most dangerous move is Frost Blaze, as they freeze anything they touch, including elements and energy, and it of course works just as well on people. With the range of the spell versus Joseph's (for the most part) melee or extended melee range, Rubia's best wincon outranges Joseph's best wincon.

You can say "Joseph can dodge", but Rubia isn't the type of fighter who's going to easily allow her opponent to freely move around, or to let opportunities slip by. Her own attributes, experience, senses and skill will allow her to keep harassing Joseph while keeping her distance. She's quickly realize Joseph is a melee fighter, so she won't carelessly rush in close to attack him.

Rubia seems to have quite a few notable advantages. Her near precog senses and AoE fire attacks means getting her to fall for a trap is pretty unlikely in this scenario (not entirely impossible, considering Joseph's Intellect, the favorable battlefield and the fact she has no intel on hamon and what it can do).

She can also use her fire to reduce oxygen in an area (wich is likely mitigated by the fact that a good part of Joseph's hamon training was keeping a stable breathing and constantly using hamon while wearing a mask made to inhibit his breathing.), has word of power wich i assume has hundreds of meters of range wich Joseph can't really counter or block, as well as OHKO ice manipulation that can also be used from range.

Word of Power works with her applying magic to her words, so as long as Joseph can hear her voice, he's in range. The effect isn't immediate and cannot reach 100% control, but the effect does get strong rather quickly and, at the very least, it considerably reduces someone's movement and actions. Rubia's sister was targeted by this spell, who displayed some minor resistance to it, and her body was close to paralyzed and her mind was far less capable

They can be dodged as the flames have to travel from Rubia's hand (or close surroundings in the case of making a magic circle) to the target destination, but they however have a large AoE; with equalized speed, fully escaping attacks with large AoE is hard, especially since Joseph doesn't seem to have a way to block them. I believe out of Rubia's spells that Fire Wall and Fire Burst can be summoned anywhere within range, while the other fire attacks are shot from where she is. With that said, even if Hell Hounds and Flame Howl aren't as crazy as FB or EoV, they are homing and Flame Howl can explode, which adds another option to get and damage Joseph.

Rubia's precog is in this realm. It's an extension of her analytical prediction, senses and extrasensory perception. For example, she avoided death from a 1-hit kill move she'd never seen before by readjusting her body's position mid-thrust, thanks her precog activating concerning that move.

Restricting to just what's combat-applicable, she didn't know about that 1-hit kill attack, its nature, or what it did, but she still managed to prevent death by last-moment understanding the attack through her senses/analysis/perception. So, it can proc on things she doesn't know, but the prediction has to be tied to something that isn't too far-removed from what is happening in the fight.

Like, I doubt she'd be able to predict Amaterasu from Naruto, or Avada Kedavra from Harry Potter, or Shadow the Hedgehog stopping time, but predicting the opponent's movements or possible attacks based on how they move their body, or predicting an attack that's an extension of something already present or of another attack should be possible.

It depends what those "hits" Joseph takes are. If the damage he receives are from her non-durability negating fire spells, then maybe. However, if she uses Frost Blaze or End of Vermillion and it lands, it's kind of game over, especially with Frost Blaze; anything the blue flames hit freezes solid and then shatters. Even if not those, Muspelheim is so strong it would severely damage Joseph.
Both due to the nature of Rubia's personality and spells, and backed up with her intelligence and experience, she's likely to go for complete destruction and not risk Joseph potentially surviving. It's not ooc for her to hit big.
I highly doubt Joseph would play dead from the start. I see him only doing that if he takes damage and/or can't land a hit, and he needs to come up with a better plan. That means that, if he plays dead, it would be after some time has passed during the fight and he's assessed the situation. It seems a bit unlikely for Joseph to reach a point in the fight where he hasn't been hit by FB or EoV.
Also, even if the fight reaches a point where Joseph is still alive and mimics death perfectly, and while I agree Rubia is unlikely to realize that death-faking, she still possesses instinctive reactions, stat reduction and illusions.

I agree Joseph has some ways of winning, but I don't think it reached >50%. Rubia has a little too much in her arsenal, and a little too much effective arsenal, for Joseph to win a majority of times. His Hamon is strong, but it requiring physical contact against someone who can casually fight from range and with means to disrupt Joseph's attempts to land a hit, Rubia has the upper hand.

If it's paired with heightened senses trained for years, absolutely it can. Her reactions are better than a guy's who reacted to an attack coming from below him and who couldn't sense said attack.

And like I mentioned early in the thread. Conversely, Joseph has no intel on Rubia's spells. He doesn't preemptively know Frost Blaze isn't just fancy-looking flames but actually a death sentence, nor does he know about EoV, Word of Power, her illusions, or her stat amps.


Your arguments about Joseph tricking Rubia with feinting death assume Rubia would actually fall for the trick. Rubia has to reason to ever get close to Joseph, even if she thinks he's dead, she'll just incinerate or freeze him from afar.

Scarlet Overdrive doesn't really work here. Frost Blaze is a spell that can destroy elements and energy, so trying to melt the ice with fire won't work. Moreover, EoV is an anti-fire spell anyway, so he actually goes for Scarlet Overdrive, he's screwed.

My argument about the forcefield is that, if the Hamon shrouds can really block Frost Blaze and prevent the flames from reaching Joseph's body which I'm not convinced of, Rubia will immediately know there's some barrier protecting him. In that scenario, it's easy for her to combo her attacks between her barrier-breaking spell and offensive spells. Joseph's shrouds don't "counter" Frost Blaze; at best, it's a momentary defense that will get shattered anyway by Rubia's other spell or the ice itself. Then, the blue flames have access to his skin, and Joseph is screwed.
Concerning the breathing, Rubia can manipulate the flames into decreasing the oxygen around, which will, bare minimum, complicate things for Joseph. Frost Blaze was even capable of freezing a spiritual weapon that is known for being an anti-magic sword.

Rubia solo'ed a squad of elite elementalists which included this chick and equally-strong and skilled fighters, and she casually broke through and strolled through the most heavily guarded prison of the empire. That's not accounting, for the umpteenth time now, for Rubia's really high senses, perception and the best instinctive reactions in the series.
As for the illusions, the answer to your question is in the entry on her profile. It's not a type of illusion that affects the mind. When Joseph hits the illusions, from his perspective, Rubia would have suddenly disappeared.
But speaking of mind, Rubia still has the option of Word of Power, which Joseph doesn't resist. It's in-character for her to use it.

Depowering Joseph isn't useless, because even if he does have a stat amp, he'd just be undoing the stat reduction Rubia inflicted on him. In fact, Joseph likely won't even know what's depowering him as the Isolation Barrier is extremely hard to notice at all. There's also the possibility that the Isolation Barrier can cancel Joseph's shrouds due to IB's ability to overwrite barriers; this last one is a maybe, but it is something to take into consideration.

On her end, Rubia has 3 stat amps and 1 fire-spell amp. Speaking of AP, I guess it wasn't brought up in this thread, but Rubia triple upscales from the 4.68 ton value. Rubia > Base Kamito > Muir > Post-Awakening Claire >> Base Claire = 4.68, and that's Rubia with no stat amps and excluding the effect of stat reduction on the opponent.

Rubia isn't limited to using 1 spell or 1 attack at a time. Even less so when 2 of her spells can be cast anywhere within range, 1 of which is a danmaku, and 2 other spells are homing, one of which can explode in a large conflagration, further boosted by Flames of Elstein. Rubia has herself access to environmental destruction, with much larger AoE than Joseph, which results in it not unlikely for Joseph to be damaged, at the very least, by the spell's edges. Dodge all you want, all the AoE spells coming Joseph's way forms a lot of attacks, which Rubia can cast and control in such a way to pincer or surprise attack Joseph from multiple directions.

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[BERRIES555]

Simply saying something is “Otherworldly” doesn’t mean it’s divine. Muspelheim being an AoE honestly may not even matter, it’s an AoE attack which the the strongest fire attack but Saber’s already superior statistically and has resistance to superior fire abilities.

When taking account skill, Saber’s skill is insane. He went from being a novelist with absolutely no experience with combat to the greatest swordsman in the show, overshadowing Calibur who’s the previous greatest swordsman in the entire world, putting him above the likes of the original Espada and Saikou. This also extends to the current age as Saber has fought and defeated both Espada and Saikou and opponents more skilled than them, Espada being a swordsman who’s relived and experienced “countless” different timelines and fought a wide array of enemies and Saikou being a 2,000 year old swordsman.

Rubia spamming fire attacks won’t work as Saber’s AR works just by him spinning his sword.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah, until @GoldenScorpions come and giving his argument, i'm not gonna buy into Speedster arguments 1000% here

 

[speedster352]

Yeah, until @GoldenScorpions come and giving his argument, i'm not gonna buy into Speedster arguments 1000% here

Actually I quoted scorpions arguments

Simply saying something is “Otherworldly” doesn’t mean it’s divine. Muspelheim being an AoE honestly may not even matter, it’s an AoE attack which the the strongest fire attack but Saber’s already superior statistically and has resistance to superior fire abilities.

When taking account skill, Saber’s skill is insane. He went from being a novelist with absolutely no experience with combat to the greatest swordsman in the show, overshadowing Calibur who’s the previous greatest swordsman in the entire world, putting him above the likes of the original Espada and Saikou. This also extends to the current age as Saber has fought and defeated both Espada and Saikou and opponents more skilled than them, Espada being a swordsman who’s relived and experienced “countless” different timelines and fought a wide array of enemies and Saikou being a 2,000 year old swordsman.

Rubia spamming fire attacks won’t work as Saber’s AR works just by him spinning his sword.

Rubia fights divine beings who use divine attacks including fire so she is fine.

 

[speedster352]

Simply saying something is “Otherworldly” doesn’t mean it’s divine. Muspelheim being an AoE honestly may not even matter, it’s an AoE attack which the the strongest fire attack but Saber’s already superior statistically and has resistance to superior fire abilities.

When taking account skill, Saber’s skill is insane. He went from being a novelist with absolutely no experience with combat to the greatest swordsman in the show, overshadowing Calibur who’s the previous greatest swordsman in the entire world, putting him above the likes of the original Espada and Saikou. This also extends to the current age as Saber has fought and defeated both Espada and Saikou and opponents more skilled than them, Espada being a swordsman who’s relived and experienced “countless” different timelines and fought a wide array of enemies and Saikou being a 2,000 year old swordsman.

Rubia spamming fire attacks won’t work as Saber’s AR works just by him spinning his sword.

Rubia also uses divine power herself so she should be fine

 

[BERRIES555]

Otherworldly doesn’t mean divine

 

[speedster352]

Otherworldly doesn’t mean divine

Statistics Amplification by infusing her body parts with Divine Power, Can infuse her whole body with Divine Power, Freezing with Frost Blaze. She fights other people who use divine powers and she has barriers, precog, instinctive reaction, information analysis to protect herself

 

[BERRIES555]

Other than that, the profile doesn’t indicate that her fire is divine. Even with the way it’s worded talks about how she needs to infuse her body with Divine Power, which leads me to believing that it’s some sort of outside source which doesn’t come from Rubia herself. Correct me if you want but a scan or something would be better as other than that, the profile doesn’t indicate that her magic is divine that I can find.

Those are very good defensive options that she has, but her offensive options can’t really keep up. Other than her AoE Muspelheim, she doesn’t an ability that Saber can’t respond to. And Rubia also doesn’t have a way to get pass the decon tornados

 

[speedster352]

Other than that, the profile doesn’t indicate that her fire is divine. Even with the way it’s worded talks about how she needs to infuse her body with Divine Power, which leads me to believing that it’s some sort of outside source which doesn’t come from Rubia herself. Correct me if you want but a scan or something would be better as other than that, the profile doesn’t indicate that her magic is divine that I can find.

Those are very good defensive options that she has, but her offensive options can’t really keep up. Other than her AoE Muspelheim, she doesn’t an ability that Saber can’t respond to. And Rubia also doesn’t have a way to get pass the decon tornados

She can just spam muspelheim and spam barriers then go out of his range and spam her attacks. Most of her spells bypass resistances like EOV and frost blaze freezes logic so there is no deflecting it. Rubia will range spam after retreating and use her hax.

 

[BERRIES555]

Saber outranges….HEAVILY. His ranged attacks has several Kilometers range, hell they even have infinite range with some attacks, which I didn’t even know he had. He can fly which gives him more maneuverability, homing attacks like the fireball could be reflected. And again, nothing prevents the decon tornados

 

[speedster352]

Saber outranges….HEAVILY. His ranged attacks has several Kilometers range, hell they even have infinite range with some attacks, which I didn’t even know he had. He can fly which gives him more maneuverability, homing attacks like the fireball could be reflected. And again, nothing prevents the decon tornados

Rubia has stealth mastery, mirages and barriers and can remove the air from an area. Rubia will avoid those tornados. Rubia can spam musplehiem and make an opening for her hax like word of power if you can hear it's game over and then she can use her durability negation moves.

 

[BERRIES555]

The decon tornados are AoE so just try and dodge that. Saber can fly out of Muspelheim’s range. WoP is a good ability, but Saber could simply be out of range of it.

 

[speedster352]

The decon tornados are AoE so just try and dodge that. Saber can fly out of Muspelheim’s range. WoP is a good ability, but Saber could simply be out of range of it.

A few words is all it takes. And barriers and she can use frost blaze on it since it bends logic.

 

[BERRIES555]

She’ll need an opening before she uses WoP and SBA has the characters be at 4km away from one another. Rubia’s voice won’t be loud enough to control Saber, I don’t even think she’ll try to use it at first due to the fact that they’re so far away from one another

 

[speedster352]

She’ll need an opening before she uses WoP and SBA has the characters be at 4km away from one another. Rubia’s voice won’t be loud enough to control Saber, I don’t even think she’ll try to use it at first due to the fact that they’re so far away from one another

The fighter are 10 meters away from one another. read the op

 

[Nicetoderp]

Then that make it piss easy for Saber to burn her to crisp.

Since she doesn't start off with it