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Roronoa Zoro vs Sasaki Kojiro
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Good thing you choose The Assasin Kojiro instead his Saber Key, i was typed "Tsubame Gaeshi GG" until i realize this is his base version
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Sasaki has the AP advantage however knowing this Zoro would use his own amps as well as go for his dura neg techniques. They both have sensory abilities that enable each other to know the others next move.
Sasaki has knowledge of respect and harmony meaning that Zoro will not be able to adapt to his techniques as it states "Assassin's techniques cannot be properly perceived by his opponents no matter how many times they're demonstrated. As a result, it is impossible for an opponent to get used to them. Thus the tenth, hundredth, or even thousandth encounter against him will feel the same as the first, so his techniques will always retain their effectiveness against his opponents."
While I don't think this will screw over Zoro, it just means that fighting him will be more difficult, ultimately we will need to compare the skill of both characters as that's what I think imo will decide the fight.
As a plus for Sasaki, he has Vitrification which allows him to resist fear hax from Zoro however I don't think that it will allow him to conceal himself from kenbun haki, the statement says, "Due to Assassin's serene state of mind, he is immune to mental interference. In addition, his B+ Rank in this skill allows him to conceal his presence if he pleases, allowing him to simulate the True Assassin's Presence Concealment skill to a limited extent, making it difficult for even Servants to detect along with his lack of mana and a true Noble Phantasm." so One Piece supporters take that as you will.
This is not a vote for Sasaki however as I'd like to see how Zoro counters this or if I forgot something for Zoro, I am leaning on Sasaki however.
Sasaki has knowledge of respect and harmony meaning that Zoro will not be able to adapt to his techniques as it states "Assassin's techniques cannot be properly perceived by his opponents no matter how many times they're demonstrated. As a result, it is impossible for an opponent to get used to them. Thus the tenth, hundredth, or even thousandth encounter against him will feel the same as the first, so his techniques will always retain their effectiveness against his opponents."
While I don't think this will screw over Zoro, it just means that fighting him will be more difficult, ultimately we will need to compare the skill of both characters as that's what I think imo will decide the fight.
As a plus for Sasaki, he has Vitrification which allows him to resist fear hax from Zoro however I don't think that it will allow him to conceal himself from kenbun haki, the statement says, "Due to Assassin's serene state of mind, he is immune to mental interference. In addition, his B+ Rank in this skill allows him to conceal his presence if he pleases, allowing him to simulate the True Assassin's Presence Concealment skill to a limited extent, making it difficult for even Servants to detect along with his lack of mana and a true Noble Phantasm." so One Piece supporters take that as you will.
This is not a vote for Sasaki however as I'd like to see how Zoro counters this or if I forgot something for Zoro, I am leaning on Sasaki however.
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Another thing i should mention is that the Tsubame Gaeshi, once Kojiro landed it to Zoro it's pretty much game over, even Artoria instinct skill can't reacted that much on this technique (remember, instinct = kenbushoku haki)
Good thing this is the normal Tsubame Gaeshi, Saber Kojiro Tsubame Gaeshi is even more busted lel
Good thing this is the normal Tsubame Gaeshi, Saber Kojiro Tsubame Gaeshi is even more busted lel
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What is Sasaki's AP? If the gap is higher than 3x or 4x i legit don't see Zoro closing it.
Also, dura neg? Breath isn't dura neg anymore, can't remember any other.
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Sasaki's AP is 24 gigatons
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Zoro has a plethora of amps that he can stack on top of each other, and while I personally see a 5x gap as something he should be able to plausibly close, it's not something I can conclusively prove.
Since Kojiro also has pretty decent senses and Precog of his own, that's not even something that Zoro can exploit. And I'm pretty sure Servant Physiology takes care of Fear Hax and Paralysis (correct me if I'm wrong).
So idk, this is looking kinda stompish.
Since Kojiro also has pretty decent senses and Precog of his own, that's not even something that Zoro can exploit. And I'm pretty sure Servant Physiology takes care of Fear Hax and Paralysis (correct me if I'm wrong).
So idk, this is looking kinda stompish.
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Servant physiology would nullify conqueror's haki and fear stuff yeah
And they also have their own fear aura that works on weaker foes and there's a 5x gap at the start here, which is the same amp that the servants with working fearhax have compared to other servants so A
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Yeah, I'm not sure if Zoro can do anything here.
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Comparing Kenbun to Artoria's dogshit instinct is laughable tbh.
Tsubame shouldn't be an issue for Zoro to evade or dodged, Saber did it with a much less impressive form of Precog (Zoro has Kenbun which gives him mind reading and some levels of future sight, whilst also have 2 separate forms of prediction.) and Tsubame works by bending space yes? Zoro is already resistant via Haki.
Zoro has also kept up with various other users with prerogative abilities, such as other Goken users (Ryuma and Denjiro come into mind.) and Kaku who possessed Kenbun Haki (which Zoro lacked at the time. The two were consistently reading each others moves throughout the fight.) so he has plenty of experience in combating those with precog on his level.
What are Sasaki's win cons?
Tsubame shouldn't be an issue for Zoro to evade or dodged, Saber did it with a much less impressive form of Precog (Zoro has Kenbun which gives him mind reading and some levels of future sight, whilst also have 2 separate forms of prediction.) and Tsubame works by bending space yes? Zoro is already resistant via Haki.
Zoro has also kept up with various other users with prerogative abilities, such as other Goken users (Ryuma and Denjiro come into mind.) and Kaku who possessed Kenbun Haki (which Zoro lacked at the time. The two were consistently reading each others moves throughout the fight.) so he has plenty of experience in combating those with precog on his level.
What are Sasaki's win cons?
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Damage Boost (Through Goken he is capable of cutting people and objects he normally couldn't with his regular attacks) it's quite similar to Dura neg...
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An approximately 6x AP gap in his favor, though that's without Haki or Ashura taken into consideration. Whether that reasonably clears the gap, I have no idea
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The Monohoshi Zao, while a finely crafted weapon, is still mundane. This means that it will chip or bend if forced to clash directly against something not made by men, like Saber's Excalibur. Tsubame Gaeshi can only be performed properly if performed on level ground and will become imperfect if the Monohoshi Zao is bent or chipped in combat, leaving gaps through which a swift enough opponent can dodge.
Zoro will definitely find this weakness and utilize on this with armament haki
Zoro will definitely find this weakness and utilize on this with armament haki
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Ah I see. What does Sasaki scale to value wise and does he upscale or downscale from it? Zoro has a pretty big boost with Haki and his various other Stat amps, and has Goken and Dragon-Blaze to compensate.
Also is this the Sasaki with the "infinite skill hur"?
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Yeah then they should definitely be comparable in terms of skill, hell I'd probably even argue Zoro still holds that advantage in that regard.
Does Sasaki scale above or below 24 Gigatons?
Does Sasaki scale above or below 24 Gigatons?
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Base Sasaki is still able to reach into true magic for Tsubame Gaeshi without actually knowing magic for what that's worth
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I'm not entirely sure, probably lower since he's on of the weaker servants
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Saber is also resistant via multiple layers of resistance and it still worked, not to mention Sasaki has his own Precog.
Also
"much less impressive"
Saber's precog works on causality-altering attacks
Passive fearhax that bypasses servant resistances, skillstomping into oblivion, a 6x AP gap, Stealth that nullifies ESP and Senses on the level of servants, etc.
Uhhh Last i checked Zoro's weapons are made by men and not Tier 1 divine gods lmao
"Zoro is more skilled than sasaki"
Sasaki reached the level of tier 1 true magic via sheer sword skill, this is ******* laughable
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No they are not... They are made by supernatural willpower (Haki)
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They were made by men, then Zoro enhcances them Haki
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Saber's resistance comes from simple Magic iirc, and I don't recall her base resistance being "several layers."
Which doesn't mean much, any precog depending on it's mechanics would be able to replicate the same thing. Her precog is limited in terms of how consistent it is and how far it can detect, she isn't any Katakuri let alone Yhwach.
Gonna ask for citation on that one, I Heavily disagree with base Sasaki skill stomping and a 5x (at most.) isn't a valid reason to vote considering Zoro has countermeasures.
When did I say they were tier 1? Miss me with that shit.
Again, Base Sasaki is being used here not Infinity Sasaki, so again irrelevant. Really just reading what you want there aren't you bud?
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Black blades are not just crafted by men they are crafted with Haki
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Haki is not made by men.
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Yes and no, the swords themselves are still made by a human but after an advanced Buso user embues it the Blade becomes impeccable and peerless. Black Blade's are made from the will of the user, and that changes the composition of the blade itself.
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Your own scan debunks your statement. They're normal blades that are infused with haki. At best that gives them the base ability to even hurt Sasaki in the first place, and comparing them to a Low 6-B Divine Construct being wielded by someone who's stronger than Sasaki
She has A+ rank resistance which is not only resistance but active powernull
Lmao why are you bringing Yhwach into a one piece vs fate fight, bleach fans are hilarious
And Katakuri has better observation than Zoro anyway so you really don't wanna go down that road.
Man you're really hung up on this one statement
buddy, Sasaki is over 400 years old, the weapon possesses a shitton of mystery, that statement literally only applies to shit like servant weapons which haki ain't
It's on the servant physiology page
That is Base Sasaki.
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I don't understand what the point you're trying to make here is, Shusui having high durability doesn't equate to several tiers higher of AP. If you think Zoro should be 6-B with Shusui then make a CRT for it
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A+ is irrelevant unless that taps into 4-D resistances, and as far as I'm aware she doesn't. Power null is also irrelevant as I'm not arguing for or against that ability, I'm strictly talking spatial manipulation so lets not change directions.
To a share an analogy because you were making it seem like Saber has some sort of omni precog? Also not really sure what me being a Bleach fan (which I hardly get involved with nowadays.) has to do with anything, well aside from you attempting to be condescending. Hmm go on.
Doesn't matter, Zoro's level of Kenbun Haki already grants him more than one type of Precog, and Kenbun has excellent growth rates so evolving into FS isn't impossible. My example was mainly to show Zoro's experience in combating those with precog.
No, the scan of Sasaki's fear manipulation isn't there. And by the way, that's not even something he has access to going by his profile. Going by the profile only Infinity Sasaki has fear manipulation.
Base Sasaki hasn't reached Infinity nor has he any feats on a tier 1 level.
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You're the one that still thinks Tsubame Gaeshi is somehow spatial manipulation.
Please point out where I said that Saber had anything of the sorts. Hmm go on.
Ah of course, famous characters that Zoro has combatted with precog, Yhwach and Katakuri
Servant Physiology. All servants have it, Gin. That's why we have it on the physiology page.
That is literally what Tsubame Gaeshi is. Sword skill that reaches the level of True Magic. He doesn't need infinity for that.
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Now be so kind as to not quote my posts on here again, dealing with your notifications is a chore, and I haven't figured out how to ignore users on the horrid layout of this forum.
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No need to be toxic, my friend.
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You literally just did exactly what i just said not to do
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Nah it's good, he's one of those omniscient big brain Nasu fans.
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Nah, not really.
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Yes really... You cut at and angle with perfect presicion and speed that the dura you are cutting doesn't matter...
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