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Nah your last post just meant nothing. We're on the subject of senses, that had nothing to do with senses.
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Roronoa Zoro vs Sasaki Kojiro
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then they're kinda equal in a way or somewhat relative
they're the same thing
so all in all they're relative when it comes to senses each will know what the other will do
and it comes to cqc and zoro seems to have a big advantage there so i'm leaning towards him
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Intentions and emotions are two different things, Intentions are just what you intend to do, I can throw a punch without any emotions involved.
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are Zoro's enhanced senses able to sense attacks that ignore space and time?
also possible dimensional travel by attacking from a different space-time
also possible dimensional travel by attacking from a different space-time
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He can react and see Law's spatially invisible slashes that ignore distance. I'm sure we don't wanna compare Sasaki's spatial manipulation to Law's.
No but people much less skilled such as Luffy can react to Blueno's Door Door attacks Which are Doors connected to separate dimensions that he can attack from.
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he uses that on only 1 of his technique which Zoro won't give him time to do or uses range to his advantage... Which is also probably a one shot move if it hits... since speed is equal Sasaki aint dodging Wide range aoe spam...
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Sasaki literally can't counter Zoro spamming ranged based attacks, and he's especially ****** if Dragon Blaze (Durability Negation that Zoro can use at a long range during Wano and has decent AoE.) hits him. Pre time skip Zoro utilized it up close and couldn't use it at a range, now he can. Even the slightest mark will cause Sasaki's wound to catch fire and spawn fire in his innards.
Tatsumaki has huge AoE and can technically follow the opponent no matter where they run, and due to Zoro's lifting strength it should be able to disarm Sasaki or at the very least disorient him.
Tatsumaki has huge AoE and can technically follow the opponent no matter where they run, and due to Zoro's lifting strength it should be able to disarm Sasaki or at the very least disorient him.
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what is the actual reason why people voted Sasaki?
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I'm not in computer so I can't write much but why is assumed that even in the case Zoro begin attacking from distance Kojiro is gonna let that pass whitout doing anything? Why he wouldn't become intangible, close the distance and then begin the sword fight?
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Because that's not something Servant's in general utilizing in combat? They don't use their intang in the same way that Obito does to avoid damage.
Zoro stands there and spams Tatsumaki.
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He don't have any reason to not use it if they are far away and it's attacked from distance, many have used it to retreat or close distance before, so why he would let be attacked one sided?
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Scans, I don't recall ANY servant using their Ethereal form to avoid incoming attacks whilst in combat. You need to provide sufficient proof as to why Sasaki would go intangible to avoid attacks whenever him and the vast majority of Servant's haven't even been shown doing that?
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Hmmm, these are better arguments. There's something that could help Sasaki. Just putting this out there.
Firstly there's his A rank luck, a parameter that can allow characters to avoid attacks that screw with fate and casuality. It can also mess with fate when at high level.
There is also his Eye of the Mind False at A rank which gives him senses bordering on Precognition.
Now onto his most interesting stealth skill, not Prescence Concealment but Knowledge of Respect and Harmony, it makes it so his techniques cannot be perceived by his opponents. This is a tricky skill. It took Musashi forcing possibilities through mystic eye hax to properly counter this. (Assassin Kojiro does have this)
I don't really mind how this vs battle goes, just be aware of these factors as you continue. Thank you.
Firstly there's his A rank luck, a parameter that can allow characters to avoid attacks that screw with fate and casuality. It can also mess with fate when at high level.
There is also his Eye of the Mind False at A rank which gives him senses bordering on Precognition.
Now onto his most interesting stealth skill, not Prescence Concealment but Knowledge of Respect and Harmony, it makes it so his techniques cannot be perceived by his opponents. This is a tricky skill. It took Musashi forcing possibilities through mystic eye hax to properly counter this. (Assassin Kojiro does have this)
I don't really mind how this vs battle goes, just be aware of these factors as you continue. Thank you.
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Dope reply good job.
Zoro also has Supernatural Luck, and after a CRT I have in mind Kenbun users will have an ability to counter this.
Kenbun Haki and Zoro already has two forms of Precog.
Definitely tricky but Zoro has no issue in dealing with new attacks at a moments notice.
Ty for the input!
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Again, why he wouldn't use it if they are at distance? Like, I would like a solid argument of why he would let be attacked one sided from distance without go to spirit form.
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Again it doesn't work like that, burden of proof falls on you to prove that Sasaki would do something that he's never done (or any Servant from my memory.). No Servant's use their Ethereal form to avoid damage while in combat.
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Actually the burden of proof falls to you as to why he wouldn't use a ability he have listed and instead let be attacked one sided.
Honestly, between that write in a phone is a pain and that this have go to far I'm to tired to continue with this fight.
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That's not how the Burden of Proof works, like at all. You're the one who made the claim, now you're the one who needs to prove said claim. Not all abilities listed are combat applicable, we both know this so lets not be intentionally ignorant.
Fair.
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What type of intangibility does he have?
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Doesn't matter since they don't use it in combat. But their Ethereal form is basically Soul intang.
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Really you guys are still on this?
Common go out and get a drink
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Speed equal and the starting range is 200m or more, wouldn't assassin be able to dodge even without spirit form? Regardless of who has the best senses, Kojiro's should be good enough to notice the attack (or just see it with his eyes, i think the distance would allow it).
If the attack has a chance to kill/one-shot him (idk what is Zoro's AP here as OP is being heavily revised) his sixth sense could warn him that his best option if evasion is impossible would be to enter spirit form? Just because something never happened in canon doesn't mean it can't happen in battle (and iirc, servants don't use spirit form in combat because other servants would be able to hit them, not because they can't or don't know how).
And like, isn't this the Zoro who will be close af to 6B via scaling to Kaido even after the revisios?
If the attack has a chance to kill/one-shot him (idk what is Zoro's AP here as OP is being heavily revised) his sixth sense could warn him that his best option if evasion is impossible would be to enter spirit form? Just because something never happened in canon doesn't mean it can't happen in battle (and iirc, servants don't use spirit form in combat because other servants would be able to hit them, not because they can't or don't know how).
And like, isn't this the Zoro who will be close af to 6B via scaling to Kaido even after the revisios?
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Drink scotch, find a scotch old enough to order it's own scotch, good for monkeys too
He scales to kaido via enma. But yeah unless he is using enma he cannot one shot
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Not how it works, yes, the character has the ability because he can use it, however, if its NOT IN CHARACTER to him use it, why would u assume that he would use it constantly against Zoro? this is the same case as Rick Sanchez, while he used literally ONCE a instant death hax touch based, and he never used it before or after that time, so, despite that he has Death Hax, its not in character to him use it, so, we can't assume that he will use it
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yee... its not but it can cut people that has dura like that.
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How much skill do you need to just parry/dodge a large ass air slash coming at you in one direction
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One direction? set You Cleary don't know how Tatsumaki works.How much skill do you need to just parry/dodge a large ass air slash coming at you in one direction
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skill won't matter... Speed, Hax or precog doesHow much skill do you need to just parry/dodge a large ass air slash coming at you in one direction
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Goken didn't one shot Kuma, please stop...
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Also how's he parrying Zoro's attack's with Class K lifting strength?
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Pound Ho is an air slash, Tatsumaki is a tornado.How much skill do you need to just parry/dodge a large ass air slash coming at you in one direction
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Where did the post ever mention Zoro using Tatsumaki? I just said that using normal air slashes doesn't sound like a good argument as to why Zoro beats Sasaki
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Like?
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Yeah I got confused since I just clicked onto Moneky's notification and didn't get context for "wide aoe ranged slash"
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