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Roronoa Zoro vs Sasaki Kojiro

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LordGinSama said:
Also flat out gonna call bull shit on Kama being type 2 NEP, pretty sure she's described as the embodiment of the universe / the universe itself, but she's also nonexistent? But somehow the universe that she claims to be isn't nonexistent? Am I the only one seeing some blatant contradiction.
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I have a picture for this exact thing and what you should do. And you should already know what that is.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
better in what?
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its either better Precence sensing in more types of things (tho Zoro can sense every non living things and living things), has nothing to do with sensing but is just an ability they have or something else...
 
fair enough can you list how Haki senses work and why it would change the outcome of the match
pretty sure there are but oh well that goes back to my 1st question and why it would matter
it's not really a contradiction and nasuverse's universes are quite odd to say the least
 
John985 said:
The profile of Kama have scans why she's NEP2.
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I don't see how why of that qualifies as NEP type 2, but I digress and will save it for a CRT. Main point being that Kenbun users have better overall Senses, Servant's take the cake in terms of Presence Detection, Kenbun compensates via being more versatile as seen in this blog. Taking the cake in one singular category doesn't automatically equteequate into one ability being overall superior to another.
 
Assassin is not particularly interested in finishing his opponents due to his transient existence and is more than likely to attempt to prolong a proper sword fight in order to enjoy it.

this weakness will make him lose the fight since Zoro doesn't care and will take out the opponent swiftly...
Zoro uses Shi ShiShi SonSon and their is nothing for Sasaki to do... Speed amp, Armament haki and Goken. this one shots and he can't avoid because of precog and speed equal... Zoro also has wide range Aoe he can spam that sasaki can't dodge either
 
why kama has both NEP 2 and AE 2 (connected to the universe) because she has HGR, kama was a conceptless after being burned by shiva's third eye, after that she regenerated and merged with the universe
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Assassin is not particularly interested in finishing his opponents due to his transient existence and is more than likely to attempt to prolong a proper sword fight in order to enjoy it.

this weakness will make him lose the fight since Zoro doesn't care and will take out the opponent swiftly...
Zoro uses Shi ShiShi SonSon and their is nothing for Sasaki to do... Speed amp, Armament haki and Goken. this one shots and he can't avoid because of precog and speed equal... Zoro also has wide range Aoe he can spam that sasaki can't dodge either
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.....................when he first fought Saber, he was actively trying to cut her head. And it was mostly because he was ordered to stop anyone from entering the Temple. Then the fight stop because Saber needed to help her Master from dying.

And when the 2nd fight, he was disappearing because of lack of Master. And wanted to have a fight proper with Saber and prolong it until he disappear.
 
Zencha9 said:
SBA
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forgot what this means
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John985 said:
.....................when he first fought Saber, he was actively trying to cut her head. And it was mostly because he was ordered to stop anyone from entering the Temple. Then the fight stop because Saber needed to help her Master from dying.

And when the 2nd fight, he was disappearing because of lack of Master. And wanted to have a fight proper with Saber and prolong it until he disappear.
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someone also said he starts with normal swords slashes.... while Zoro usually starts with techniques
 
use a useless ability in a Direct fight against a Type Like Zoro and say it's the thing that can beat zoro sounds so ridiculous, yes it's true being able to feel a god who has NEP2 is amazing but to fight Zoro where is the use of this ability?
 
Yeah he started with normal sword slash, but when he's in a flat gound, its Tsubame Gaeshi.
 
Zencha9 said:
fair enough can you list how Haki senses work and why it would change the outcome of the match
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Yeah I can do my best.


*emotion sensing on a passive massive scale
*Soul sensing with a massive range (Rayleigh was able to detect the souls and power levels of 500 Creatures on a big island that are stronger than Luffy.)
*Enhanced hearing good to enough to pick up on sounds from all over a country and 360 degree vision that works on stuff the user can't even see
*Night vision and blind sensing
* X-ray vision
*Neutral vision allowing to see several types of invisibility
*aura sensing
*telescopic vision
*unconsciousness mass mind reading
* Enhanced Senses good enough to move around with his body being spatially cut up, and can also fight despite being spatially deattached.
There's a bunch more that I'm missing but you get the gest, they also have layers of Precog and predictive abilities.


Zoro's Breath of All Thing's also allows him to feel the "Breath" of literal intimate objects whilst an inch away from dying and more than enough blood loss to interfere with his normal sensing. Also works on the dead such as Ryuma, who's just a corpse with no functioning organs. Zoro's senses are also good enough to tell something as abstract as a curse was lingering in a sword when he was literal fodder.
 
yeah i can see how Zoro's senseing would be overall better i guess all of that is to dodge tsubame gaeshi yea? and overall outskill sasaki then yea i can see zoro winning
 
uhhhh servants have night vision Fate/Zero 9. Where Both Rider and Assassin where fighting, Waver cant see anything thats inside sewage pipe.

Aura sensing, we mostly see that on Sword Saints. But when Heracles was summon, all the Mages and Mafia(normal human) was able to sense his Aura.

They already have sensing Ghost who are invisible and Emotion.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
SEE show me scan where she can see
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i dont have scan, but its in servant physiology page
vsbattles.fandom.com

Servant Physiology

Servants are spirits summoned by the Holy Grail to compete under Masters in the Holy Grail War. Typically, they are Heroic Spirits, beings of a higher existence given to them by the people's ideals of them, but can also be Divine Spirits, Phantoms, Wraiths, and even normal humans, in extreme...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

Servants are spirits summoned by the Holy Grail to compete under Masters in the Holy Grail War. Typically, they are Heroic Spirits, beings of a higher existence given to them by the people's ideals of them, but can also be Divine Spirits, Phantoms, Wraiths, and even normal humans, in extreme circumstances.


however, they dont have incorporeality in their profiles iirc, so, they are physical souls or something? lol
 
the only thing Zoro needs to worry about is tsubame gaeshi (which might be able to resist with haki) which he can counter with range, finish the match before he does it and or precog out of it
 
Bernkastelll said:
i dont have scan, but its in servant physiology page
vsbattles.fandom.com

Servant Physiology

Servants are spirits summoned by the Holy Grail to compete under Masters in the Holy Grail War. Typically, they are Heroic Spirits, beings of a higher existence given to them by the people's ideals of them, but can also be Divine Spirits, Phantoms, Wraiths, and even normal humans, in extreme...
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Servants are spirits summoned by the Holy Grail to compete under Masters in the Holy Grail War. Typically, they are Heroic Spirits, beings of a higher existence given to them by the people's ideals of them, but can also be Divine Spirits, Phantoms, Wraiths, and even normal humans, in extreme circumstances.


however, they dont have incorporeality in their profiles iirc, so, they are physical souls or something? lol
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Ghosts are a literal basic ass enemy in FGO.
 
Kenbun Haki still grants more forms of sensory abilities than Basic Servant traits, they excell in Presence Detection, that's it.

Hell even a East Blue Zoro was capable of sensing something abstract like a lingering curse.


He has multiple layers of precog, Prediction, danger altering and so on and so forth to tell how dangerous the ability is, if Zoro gets the slightest inclination that he's in serious danger he'll switch up his plan, such as staying back and using his range. And Sasaki has no way to counter several Tatsumaki attacks dogging him left and right.



I also see Sasaki having trouble with Zoro in CQC, Zoro would be able to effortlessly rag doll Sasaki when clashing blades due to his Class T Lifting strength.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Ghosts are a literal basic ass enemy in FGO.
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Don't believes Ghosts are intangible or invisible unless it's treated as such in verse.


Also that's still pretty dooky in comparison to seeing the inside the vessel and seeing the soul itself as well lol.
 
FSN Day 3 Decision / The Strongest Enemy
"Berserker."
Tohsaka mumbles a word I'm not accustomed to hearing.
I don't even need to ask.
That thing is definitely a Servant.
And at the same timean overwhelming sense of death, exceeding even the one in the fire ten years ago.

"Good evening, Onii-chan. It's the second time we've met like this."
The girl smiles as she says so.
That innocence sends a chill down my spine.

No, spine is an understatement.
Not just my body, but my mind is frozen as well.
That thing is a monster.
I'm not staring at it, but just its presence makes me unable to move.

I understand naturally that I will die in the instant I move even a muscle.
It feels like a knife is pushed right against my naked chest.
…Still, I feel nothing.
Probably because there's too little hope of me getting out of this alive.
All fears and impatience are drowned by hopelessness, so I don't feel a thing.
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