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OP stand users in their verse clash. 200 meters between both kombatants.
Rohan Kishibe: 1
Diavolo: 5
Inconclusive:
Rohan.
Rohan Kishibe: 1
Diavolo: 5
Inconclusive:
Rohan.
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Rohan vs Diavolo
- Thread starter Ecstasy_Amphetamine
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If Diavolo looks into Epitaph and sees Heaven's Door, will he get opened up?
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Diavolo is very likely to be hit by a snap Heaven's Door before he can do jack. He can't cover the distance fast enough to one-shot Rohan, either. Even if it Just Works and he skips some time, Rohan's too far away to be dead and Rohan will just Heaven's Door again.
I don't see Diavolo escaping this. Rohan just has to use Heaven's Door, while Diavolo has to look into the future and the use King Crimson, which won't even secure a victory.
I vote Rohan.
I don't see Diavolo escaping this. Rohan just has to use Heaven's Door, while Diavolo has to look into the future and the use King Crimson, which won't even secure a victory.
I vote Rohan.
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Seems fair
Although I will say that I don't see Diavolo getting beat on the quick draw while he has epitaph, since he is nigh unblitzable
Although I will say that I don't see Diavolo getting beat on the quick draw while he has epitaph, since he is nigh unblitzable
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Diavolo re-acts before it, just like this.
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Just a reminder that Epitaph let Diavolo react to GER's movements by acting pre-emptively. Diavolo's precog is no small matterThePixelKirby said:
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The difference is that in that case he already was in a fight
In this fight he has to first activate epitaph then activate king crimson before being heaven's doored
In this fight he has to first activate epitaph then activate king crimson before being heaven's doored
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Epitaph takes no more activation than having his stand summoned (which he starts with)
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He actually has to look at his bangs to see with epitaph btw
i vote rohan for PixelKirby's reason
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He doesn't need to write, or reach, or anything. He needs to point, which with MFTL+ reactions, is fast enough. Heck, it's debatable if he even needs to point.
Meanwhile, King Crimson needs to first look into the future and see what's going to happen, realize what's happening, and skip it, while also hitting Rohan instantly since if he doesn't reach Rohan and kills him instantly, he loses.
Rohan needs to, at most, point. King Crimson, at least, needs to look through Epitaph, think of a plan of action based on it, use King Crimson, and one-shot Rohan, who is 200 meters away.
Meanwhile, King Crimson needs to first look into the future and see what's going to happen, realize what's happening, and skip it, while also hitting Rohan instantly since if he doesn't reach Rohan and kills him instantly, he loses.
Rohan needs to, at most, point. King Crimson, at least, needs to look through Epitaph, think of a plan of action based on it, use King Crimson, and one-shot Rohan, who is 200 meters away.
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At the very least, the panels Efficiente showed do give the advantage to Diavolo. Now, maybe those panels were outliers/cherrypicked, i don't know. But looking at the panels, it seems that Diavolo looked at the future and in the middle of this forecasting is deciding what to erase. So we may not be in a situation where: he needs to look at the full 10 seconds forecast then after that erases stuff.
Now maybe Efficiente (or someone else) can tell me how the panel is supposed to be interpreted.
The second point is that Diavolo's actions seem to be thought based for both Diavolo and his Stand while Heaven Door's abilities does require movement from the Stand (pointing a finger being the movement). That being said, speed is unequalized here, so if there are indications HD is a faster Stand than Crimson I'll probably vote Rohan. Otherwise I'm strongly leaning toward Diavolo here.
Now maybe Efficiente (or someone else) can tell me how the panel is supposed to be interpreted.
The second point is that Diavolo's actions seem to be thought based for both Diavolo and his Stand while Heaven Door's abilities does require movement from the Stand (pointing a finger being the movement). That being said, speed is unequalized here, so if there are indications HD is a faster Stand than Crimson I'll probably vote Rohan. Otherwise I'm strongly leaning toward Diavolo here.
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King Crimson erase Time boi
I think Diavolo win mainly because KIng Crimson would erase the effects of Heavens door and then proceed to punch a hole in Rohan without him noticing it
Eficiente said it the best (Diavolo re-acts before it, just like this.)
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Epitaph is OP sure, but can Diavolo run 200 m in 10 seconds? What speed are they equalised to? If its Diavolo's supersonic, he wins. If its Rohan's speed, he wins due to Diavolo not crossing the distance in time.
Note: The subsonic on Rohan's profile is not his movement speed, but his hand speed while drawing. Going by the race he ran against Avatar of Hermes, he should be Peak Human in movement speed. I'll bring it up in revisions.
Note: The subsonic on Rohan's profile is not his movement speed, but his hand speed while drawing. Going by the race he ran against Avatar of Hermes, he should be Peak Human in movement speed. I'll bring it up in revisions.
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The deciding factor is whether Diavolo can close the distance in 10 seconds. And for that, I need my question answered.
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@TacticalNuke002 Well if you consider this: King Crimson allows Diavolo to move in a time where King Crimson completely erases, or "skips" a portion of that time for up to ten seconds. During this time, the actions that would've played during those ten seconds play out as they normally would, but everyone except for Diavolo would be aware that these actions had already occured when time resumes normally. And sinds Diavolo speed is Subsonic (Faster than the Eye) (Mach 0.1-0.5) (34.3-171.5 m/s or 76.7-383.6 mph)
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Oh that's just great. Is this maybe a stomp cuz Rohan can't do anything?
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Please don't call stomp, Rohan already has the range to win, it's just that Diavolo has one specific ability to win.
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Rohan can win but the chance is almost 0%. Only way I see him winning is if Diavolo messes up big time or acts like a dumbass and doesn't heed Epitaph's warning.
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Also his win against Kratos should be added, I have to admit it was the weirdest match I have ever made.
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Nah. Diavolo isn't Kira.TacticalNuke002 said:
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Diavolo's precog lets him see what's coming and he immediately goes timeskip. Its a smooth transition from Epitaph to King Crimson with almost no delay. Due to supersonic movement speed, he crosses the 200m distance within 10 seconds and donuts Rohan.
