Oh No! Not Another Sans Match! (Sans vs Diavolo Rematch) [0-0-0]

[Undylan]

Decided to do another Sans match. This time, it is a rematch between Sans and Diavolo. Let's see who wins now?

Diavolo key is used and speed equalized.
Fight takes place in Snowdin Forest.
Sans is only aware of Diavolo's epitaph and that stands are a thing,
Both start 10 meters away from each other.

Sans:

Diavolo:

Incon:

 

[Demifiend]

Epitaph + time erasure gg

 

[Undylan]

Epitaph + time erasure gg

Sans should know about Epitaph and might wanna try to distance himself first.

And doesn't Diavolo need to attack once time erasure is done right? If so, Sans's Instinctive Action would allow him to dodge the attack from behind and allowing him to go all ham if needed.

 

[ShionAH]

Don't diavolos stupid speed stay the same and make this a blitz-?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Don't diavolos stupid speed stay the same and make this a blitz-?

Stands having different speed is one of the biggest reasons why JOJO is a pain in the ass to speed equalize

 

[Chariot190]

Diavolo literally just precogs, see what's coming, uses his thought based hax to delete time, skips over the initial wave of sans bullshit, and then Sans wonders where the **** he went because diavolo is standing right behind him and has his punch ghost rip a hole through him.

And even if he doesn't precog (which is out of character, he spams that thing), he's at minimum deleting time right away, which shows him future actions so he'd know anyway.

And yes, before anyone asks, when time is gone nothing can interact with diavolo, he's immune to enemy attacks, but the enemy is too by proxy, which is why he positions himself and throws and attack so when time restores his attack lands immediately before they can react or realize what's going on. Gaster Blasters might be fast, but the moment they spawn he just deletes time and goes though them or around them, not they can effect him anyway. Assuming he doesn't time skip even before they spawn as it's his lead.

Sans should know about Epitaph and might wanna try to distance himself first.

And doesn't Diavolo need to attack once time erasure is done right? If so, Sans's Instinctive Action would allow him to dodge the attack from behind and allowing him to go all ham if needed.

What's that gonna do. All he knows is that his foe knows everything he's gonna do before he does it, and Diavolo will know he knows precisely because of Epitaph. His instinctive Action hasn't shown to register something like a Stand that his body can't even perceive, that's blitzing him anyway.
also you changed the op

Don't diavolos stupid speed stay the same and make this a blitz-?

King Crimson only has an effective range of 2-3m, Sans is only getting blitzed if he's within 3m of Diavolo which he will be because Diavolo just skips time and gets behind him

 

[ShionAH]

Diavolo literally just precogs, see what's coming, uses his thought based hax to delete time, skips over the initial wave of sans bullshit, and then Sans wonders where the **** he went because diavolo is standing right behind him and has his punch ghost rip a hole through him.

And even if he doesn't precog (which is out of character, he spams that thing), he's at minimum deleting time right away, which shows him future actions so he'd know anyway.

And yes, before anyone asks, when time is gone nothing can interact with diavolo, he's immune to enemy attacks, but the enemy is too by proxy, which is why he positions himself and throws and attack so when time restores his attack lands immediately before they can react or realize what's going on. Gaster Blasters might be fast, but the moment they spawn he just deletes time and goes though them or around them, not they can effect him anyway. Assuming he doesn't time skip even before they spawn as it's his lead.

What's that gonna do. All he knows is that his foe knows everything he's gonna do before he does it, and Diavolo will know he knows precisely because of Epitaph. His instinctive Action hasn't shown to register something like a Stand that his body can't even perceive, that's blitzing him anyway.
also you changed the op

King Crimson only has an effective range of 2-3m, Sans is only getting blitzed if he's within 3m of Diavolo which he will be because Diavolo just skips time and gets behind him

Jojo trying to get an actual match that works (Impossible challenge)

 

[Undylan]

Diavolo literally just precogs, see what's coming, uses his thought based hax to delete time, skips over the initial wave of sans bullshit, and then Sans wonders where the **** he went because diavolo is standing right behind him and has his punch ghost rip a hole through him.

And even if he doesn't precog (which is out of character, he spams that thing), he's at minimum deleting time right away, which shows him future actions so he'd know anyway.

And yes, before anyone asks, when time is gone nothing can interact with diavolo, he's immune to enemy attacks, but the enemy is too by proxy, which is why he positions himself and throws and attack so when time restores his attack lands immediately before they can react or realize what's going on. Gaster Blasters might be fast, but the moment they spawn he just deletes time and goes though them or around them, not they can effect him anyway. Assuming he doesn't time skip even before they spawn as it's his lead.

What's that gonna do. All he knows is that his foe knows everything he's gonna do before he does it, and Diavolo will know he knows precisely because of Epitaph. His instinctive Action hasn't shown to register something like a Stand that his body can't even perceive, that's blitzing him anyway.
also you changed the op

King Crimson only has an effective range of 2-3m, Sans is only getting blitzed if he's within 3m of Diavolo which he will be because Diavolo just skips time and gets behind him

Yeah, I've changed it so it won't be more of a stomp. So I have Sans has some prior knowledge if it helps.

Not sure if that changes anything.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Diavolo literally just precogs, see what's coming, uses his thought based hax to delete time, skips over the initial wave of sans bullshit, and then Sans wonders where the **** he went because diavolo is standing right behind him and has his punch ghost rip a hole through him.

And even if he doesn't precog (which is out of character, he spams that thing), he's at minimum deleting time right away, which shows him future actions so he'd know anyway.

And yes, before anyone asks, when time is gone nothing can interact with diavolo, he's immune to enemy attacks, but the enemy is too by proxy, which is why he positions himself and throws and attack so when time restores his attack lands immediately before they can react or realize what's going on. Gaster Blasters might be fast, but the moment they spawn he just deletes time and goes though them or around them, not they can effect him anyway. Assuming he doesn't time skip even before they spawn as it's his lead.

What's that gonna do. All he knows is that his foe knows everything he's gonna do before he does it, and Diavolo will know he knows precisely because of Epitaph. His instinctive Action hasn't shown to register something like a Stand that his body can't even perceive, that's blitzing him anyway.
also you changed the op

King Crimson only has an effective range of 2-3m, Sans is only getting blitzed if he's within 3m of Diavolo which he will be because Diavolo just skips time and gets behind him

so chariot what kind of characters are the best choice against diavolo?

 

[Chariot190]

So I have Sans has some prior knowledge if it helps.

Not sure if that changes anything.

It doesn't really help because Diavolo can work around by having his own built in PK, and even if Sans knows, he can't exactly stop it.
Also, let's not forget that Diavolo's soul itself stat checks all of Sans' stuff. Diavolo's soul manifested is a High 8-C, Class K, with layers of NPI with insane stamina.

so chariot what kind of characters are the best choice against diavolo?

None. He either stomps, or just gets walled by a dude being to durable or haxed back. There's not many characters that are in his stat range, that can work around precog+time deletion.

 

[ShionAH]

Yeah, I've changed it so it won't be more of a stomp. So I have Sans has some prior knowledge if it helps.

Not sure if that changes anything.

Sans stops time puts a dozen attacks then starts time and slams Diavolo down atomizing him is my guess unless diavolo has some other bullshit he can pull faster than a hand movement

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

It doesn't really help because Diavolo can work around by having his own built in PK, and even if Sans knows, he can't exactly stop it.
Also, let's not forget that Diavolo's soul itself stat checks all of Sans' stuff. Diavolo's soul manifested is a High 8-C, Class K, with layers of NPI with insane stamina.

None. He either stomps, or just gets walled by a dude being to durable or haxed back. There's not many characters that are in his stat range, that can work around precog+time deletion.

Does this mean a lot of the matches with him should be removed?

is Doppio a better choice then?

 

[ShionAH]

It doesn't really help because Diavolo can work around by having his own built in PK, and even if Sans knows, he can't exactly stop it.
Also, let's not forget that Diavolo's soul itself stat checks all of Sans' stuff. Diavolo's soul manifested is a High 8-C, Class K, with layers of NPI with insane stamina.

Thats a wrap. Close this LMAO

 

[Chariot190]

Sans stops time puts a dozen attacks then starts time and slams Diavolo down atomizing him is my guess unless diavolo has some other bullshit he can pull faster than a hand movement

Diavolo's hax is thought based. And he leads with it, and he has precog so he knows that'll happen and just skips past it.

Sans can't even hit Diavolo here, it all just gets skipped over or deleted.

 

[Undylan]

so chariot what kind of characters are the best choice against diavolo?

I'm curious how he'll fare against Tooru.

 

[Undylan]

Oh yeah, Doppio has a key. Maybe this be a better match if I used him.

 

[Chariot190]

Oh yeah, Doppio has a key. Maybe this be a better match if I used him.

Doppio lacks any of his hax. He's just a 9-C with very, very, strong arms (He can't even summon the full Stand). He has Epitaph, but it doesn't exactly work for him, he can't actually change what's in the vision so if it shows him getting ******, he's fated to now.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Doppio lacks any of his hax. He's just a 9-C with very, very, strong arms (He can't even summon the full Stand). He has Epitaph, but it doesn't exactly work for him, he can't actually change what's in the vision so if it shows him getting ******, he's fated to now.

So chariot are a lot of the diavolo matches outdated based on what you said?

 

[Chariot190]

I'm curious how he'll fare against Tooru.

He'd lose, eventually, he just gets outlasted by WoU who he can't actually kill, and eventually dies to a Calamity after he's too exhausted to continue fighting.

So chariot are a lot of the diavolo matches outdated based on what you said?

idk I havent looked at any of them, some of them probably inherently sus because I can't imagine many matches that would actually be fair.

 

[JohnConquest1]

Diavolo is just one of those characters that says "no" to debates when given the correct circumstances.

 

[Chariot190]

Tbh, Diavolo is in a pretty bad spot, he knows what will happen before it does and he abuses this extensively to avoid anything detrimental his foe could do by just deleting it, has a method to completely avoid everything he doesn't want, a way to get point blank and even retreat if need be completely risk free, can attack with an invisible, invincible, imperceptible punch ghost with his foe being unable to do shit about it, that's also a gajillion times faster than him.

But you could also just be like 8-B and completely shut him down because his only offensive attack is big punch go brrrr.

 

[Demifiend]

And doesn't Diavolo need to attack once time erasure is done right? If so, Sans's Instinctive Action would allow him to dodge the attack from behind and allowing him to go all ham if needed.

Diavolo can spam epitaph and know exactly how sans will react post time erasure tbh

 

[SlendVeny]

so chariot what kind of characters are the best choice against diavolo?

Jojo god-tiers rarely work outside of "all stats equalized" things, because otherwise, they either stomp or get stomped.