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Riordanverse demigods revision (Burning Maze spoilers)

Percy "dropping the sky on Atlas" was:

-Percy is holding the sky

-Artemis tosses Atlas at him

-Percy doesn't try to resist being pushed back

-The sky falls on top of Atlas, who is now blocked beneath it
 
The weight of the sky dropped onto Atlas's back, almost smashing him flat until he managed to get to his knees, struggling to get out from under the crushing weight of the sky. But it was too late.
@Kaltias Yes. The Sky fell on Atlas, that's basically what I'm saying.

It is also literally said that the Sky fell on Annabeth, and please quote the line that says Luke was "plastered to the ground".

Then the darkness above Luke began to crumble, like a cavern roof in an earthquake. Huge chunks of black rock began falling. Annabeth rushed in just as a crack appeared, and the whole ceiling dropped. She held it somehow[...]
 
So annabeth is comparable to Atlas... Nice.

Also, what happened to Artemis saying that it was only due to her spirit that she survived, and it being stated several times that she shouldn't have?
 
Yeah but that only means that Atlas has a 6-C feat.

Atlas scales to no one but restricted Titans/Gods (and Percy with the curse)
 
@Kaltias Annabeth Chase had the Sky fall on her.

It does not necessarily mean Annabeth = Atlas, Atlas was nerfed btw. Annabeth survived due to her spirit and she should have died was referring to her lifting the Sky for an extremely long period of time.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
So annabeth is comparable to Atlas... Nice.

Also, what happened to Artemis saying that it was only due to her spirit that she survived, and it being stated several times that she shouldn't have?
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It's being ignored for some reason.
 
A feat higher above others does not necessarily mean it's an outlier, I believe it is said many times by different members of this site.

Percy was completely unharmed after destroying a glacier, was simply knocked out by triggering a volcano eruption (he was only knocked out when flying towards Ogygia btw). Jason Grace remained conscious after tanking a huge explosion. And then we have the Sky feat, which Annabeth nearly died doing so. It makes sense that 6-C is their maximum strength.

Annabeth's "spirit" btw was referring to her holding the Sky for an extremely long period of time. Artemis told Percy he wouldn't last long because he does not have the "Spirit of a Hunter" or whatever, but he could still hold it briefly. For Luke, we do not know how long he held it for. So, aside from Atlas and Artemis, Annabeth was the demigod who held the Sky for the longest period of time because of her spirit.
 
I doubt its referring to that when they go out of their way to make it clear that she should have died. Hell, the same vision says she should have died right away.
 
Annabeth had the sky fall on her, sure.

But not only it's vastly beyond her average showings, we don't know what exactly was happening because it was a vision.

Also the calc uses Luke's height while standing still, which is wrong, and assumes that Annabeth grabbed the sky when it was almost touching the ground, which is also wrong
 
Artemis said that Annabeth had a spirit of a Hunter, but Percy would not last long. Percy could still hold it briefly, but Annabeth can hold it longer because she has some sort of spirit or whatever.

I repeat 3 times: A feat above others does not mean an outlier. A feat above others does not mean an outlier. A feat above others does not mean an outlier.

Demigods being completely fine after 7-C feats, knocked out by 7-B feats and nearly dying by a 6-C feat makes sense.

Also we do not know whether the volcano eruption was 7-B or what. Volcano eruptions can be up to 7-A, btw.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
A feat higher above others does not necessarily mean it's an outlier, I believe it is said many times by different members of this site.

Percy was completely unharmed after destroying a glacier, was simply knocked out by triggering a volcano eruption (he was only knocked out when flying towards Ogygia btw). Jason Grace remained conscious after tanking a huge explosion. And then we have the Sky feat, which Annabeth nearly died doing so. It makes sense that 6-C is their maximum strength.
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He nearly died after triggering the eruption and he's a son of Poseidon so water and ice won't hurt him at all. Both him and Jason are above other demigods. And people above already pointed out how much of an outlier the sky feat is. Aka, Tier 6 is hardly supported anywhere and requires a lot of manipulation to be remotely possible.
 
Kaltias said:
Annabeth had the sky fall on her, sure.

But not only it's vastly beyond her average showings, we don't know what exactly was happening because it was a vision.

Also the calc uses Luke's height while standing still, which is wrong, and assumes that Annabeth grabbed the sky when it was almost touching the ground, which is also wrong
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Annabeth could fight Giants and briefly hold back Luke-Kronos, which Percy or Jason had trouble doing so.

Yes, that's why I will recalculate it. (if I find the time, quite busy)
 
The spirit not being the reason for her to not die would also mean that percy would be weaker then her, as he was directly told that he couldn't lift it, and had lifted it for far less then annabeth herself.
 
RegisNex1232 said:
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Percy was already screaming in pain when being burnt by lava. He wasn't immediately knocked out by the explosion as well. It was only when he was flying in the sky.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
The spirit not being the reason for her to not die would also mean that percy would be weaker then her, as he was directly told that he couldn't lift it, and had lifted it for far less then annabeth herself.
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Bc Percy doesn't have the spirit or whatever to lift for such a long time as Annabeth.

They lifted the same weight, Annabeth just lifted it longer.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Artemis said that Annabeth had a spirit of a Hunter, but Percy would not last long. Percy could still hold it briefly, but Annabeth can hold it longer because she has some sort of spirit or whatever.

I repeat 3 times: A feat above others does not mean an outlier. A feat above others does not mean an outlier. A feat above others does not mean an outlier.

Demigods being completely fine after 7-C feats, knocked out by 7-B feats and nearly dying by a 6-C feat makes sense.

Also we do not know whether the volcano eruption was 7-B or what. Volcano eruptions can be up to 7-A, btw.
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Except that demigods with 7C and above feats aren't regular demigods and so I don't know why you would somehow assume that those feats can be applied to everyone. Essentially ignoring scaling for ???.
 
Lava is 9-B.

And Percy still passed out shortly after. Heck pretty sure that Calypso said that you can reach her island only if you need to be saved or something
 
Kaltias said:
Lava is 9-B.

And Percy still passed out shortly after. Heck pretty sure that Calypso said that you can reach her island only if you need to be saved or something
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If you're lost/separated I believe. Leo also ends up there after getting kicked off the Argo 2.
 
Kaltias said:
Lava is 9-B.

And Percy still passed out shortly after. Heck pretty sure that Calypso said that you can reach her island only if you need to be saved or something
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Just like the Sun is 8-A. Either Writers don't know maths or low resistance to heat.

Percy passed out when flying in the Sky.
 
>Just like the Sun is 8-A. Either Writers don't know maths or low resistance to heat.

Yes? You are the one who brought up the lava. It's a low end, it definitely doesn't justify 6-C

>Percy passed out when flying in the Sky.

He did. That still means that the feat pushed him to his limit
 
Matthew, the lava is not the reason for the downgrade. It plain isn't at all.

It was to point out that saying he survived it does not back up 6-C being an outlier.
 
Heat resistance isn't the same as withstanding explosives or actual force in the first place. Withstanding lava has little to do with how hard of a punch you can take.

However ignoring the staggering number of lesser showings compared to the very few highest ones, especially when the highest ones tend to involve the use of powers and not just physical strength, is immensely dishonest debating; you don't insist the car that once got 200 miles to the gallon is going to keep doing that when it does that once or twice and otherwise has routinely been getting 50 miles to the gallon both before and after the 200 mile result?

Percy when fighting Jason was KO'd by a pegasus hoof- mountain-leveling Pegasus? No- they're just not as superhuman physically as some want them to be. Don't forget random Centaurs can fire arrows with enough force to knock Luke around- so it's not just demigods but literally everything that has to scale around these high-end feats to still be a threat. When you have to rescale the entire verse to match the less-seen feats, that's a sure sign you're headed in the wrong direction.
 
Kaltias is correct that the Saint Helens feat wouldn't be a good durability showing at all, but it would be a baseline-ish 7-B feat since Percy contributed to a large portion of the eruption itself.

Also, Book 3 Nico's full-power feat of opening a 2400 mile pit was calc'ed at low end Low 7-B, so "Small City level to City level" should be a thing for the strongest demigods.
 
Friendly also has a point when he talks about the usage of powers for the highest-end feats. The only tier 7 feat that was done through physical strength was Jason's clash with Enceladus, which was calc'ed at ~15 kilotons in the OBD.
 
Kepekley23 said:
Kaltias is correct that the Saint Helens feat wouldn't be a good durability showing at all, but it would be a baseline-ish 7-B feat since Percy contributed to a large portion of the eruption itself.

Also, Book 3 Nico's full-power feat of opening a 2400 mile pit was calc'ed at low end Low 7-B, so "Small City level to City level" should be a thing for the strongest demigods.
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The thing is that it was done with his Underworld powers, so it's difficult to say that it scales to anyone since not everyone has his power set.

I think that feats need to be separated into physical and with powers and only the physical stuff should really scale.
 
@Regis

Annabeth is stated to be able to kick Percy's rear in a spar and frequently outfights him in Capture the Flag if I'm remembering correctly.

Frank got the Blessing of Mars and helps kill Alcyoneus.

Thalia, Nico, and Jason are obviously comparable to Percy.
 
Get some evidence because 1 short story has Annabeth trick Percy into getting caught and a lot of Percy's best feats involve water and powers.

Frank gets the Blessing after the fight with Al, and Hazel ends up killing him with a stab in the face. Only Frank when transformed really keeps up with Al power wise.

Nico is weird since he has some decent hax but never really shows off like Percy or Jason.

Essentially my point is that demigod powers (which are involved in some of the feats) don't necessarily apply to their physical stats and so we should not scale everyone willy-nilly to stuff only some people can pull off.
 
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