Riordanverse demigods revision (Burning Maze spoilers)

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Demigods > Humans, Monsters => most demigods, so Human > Monsters does not make any sense at all.

Courage and spirit is whether you are willing to take the Sky or not. You said it yourself - many monsters can lift the Sky, they just won't even if you force them to. I never said it relied on strength alone, but it requires strength as well. If it relied on will alone than everyone and Paul will scale to Artemis.

 

[Rocker1189]

The sky feat I feel is actually pretty ridiculous to scale to anyone. I thought it was obvious that physical strength was not what actually lifted the sky.

 

[RegisNex1232]

Most demigods aren't drastically > mortals, at best more fit and better trained. And none of the other demigods/monsters have any strength on that level.

Sure, strength is needed, but if Annabeth were actually that strong, she could have easily blown away any demigod and monster, let alone buildings with her 6-C strength. Any random demigod, like children of Hermes, would have similar strength and could be insane one-man armies like Percy or Jason. If you think that Annabeth could easily replicate Percy soloing the Roman demigods during a training exercise, then have I got a bridge for you. Hence the sky feat being an outlier.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I had some question, so I'll just copypast them here:

BTW, how come Annatbeth's is a Dura feat instead of a lifting strenght one? She took the burden before the sky could properly fall, and that should only be lifting strenght."

"Also, doesn't the calc assume that Luke was standing? He wasn't."

 

[Rocker1189]

I dont even know if it can be called an outlier rather than outright silly. The feat simply makes no sense from a strength perspective.

 

[RegisNex1232]

^ Best to not use it, since it has a lot of problems.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Not even kidding, the Riordan Verse cosmology is both flat and round at the same time. It is also Greek, Egyptian, Norse, Aztec, Abrahamic, etc. at the same time.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I mean, it can be atributed as lifting strenght, but nothing else.

It didn't fall on her (Luke was litirally plastered to the ground by it, it couldn't fall any lower), and Artemis says she could do it because Spirit or something.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

The book describes it as falling.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I don't see how holding the sky isn't a Strength Feat, and it is legit for Big Three Demigods. If it is an outlier for Annabeth or not is another thing entirely.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The book describes it as falling.

During a vision where it seemed like fog.

And again, it couldn't fall when Luke was forced to the ground by it.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Would a "possibly 6-C" rating be better?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Would a "possibly 6-C" rating be better?

It's a bit too non-sensical to be honest. And Artemis saying that it has to do with her spirit makes you wonder if its legit.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I don't see how holding the sky isn't a Strength Feat, and it is legit for Big Three Demigods. If it is an outlier for Annabeth or not is another thing entirely.

It is, but it's lifting strenght.

 

[RegisNex1232]

I can't see it as a usable feat given that Annabeth can do it, with help from her strong spirit and heroic qualities and that she is actually comparable to demigods not named Percy/Jason.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You can easily get AP from Lifting Strength.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You can easily get AP from Lifting Strength.

There was a whole thread about this...

It's the reason percy is scaled to annabeth instead of just saying his own feat.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You can though. KE and PE.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Again, there was a whole thread. And that was actually mentiponed there,

It was agreed on that it can't be scaled like that. Pretty sure cal or Kep can confirm it.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Still, should I make a thread specific for that? Pretty sure this needs to be put on hold until this is done anyways

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Sorry for multiposting, but there is also this

 

[RegisNex1232]

This strength is never shown or repeated anywhere else, making it extremely dubious as a feat.

 

[StrongClick]

The feat isn't inline and is far above others it must be an outlier then.

 

[Reppuzan]

I mean, Percy was able to trade blows with Ares just weeks after learning he was a demigod.

Gods can pick up mountains and toss them at people.

Percy has gotten significantly stronger since then.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Ares was restricted tough.

Percy can't even look at his true form.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Ricsi

Gods rarely fight in their true form anyways.

Artemis fought Atlas without using her true form, as did every single other god during the fight against Typhon. Hades rolled into Manhattan without his true form and scared the Titans and their forces into breaking ranks.

 

[Rocker1189]

Several times the Gods have been said to be restricted when fighting mortals.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Rocker

The Giants are also designed to slay the gods one-on-one yet Percy is able to slam Terminus into Polybote's head hard enough to instantly kill him. Frank and Hazel also kill Alcyoneus after dragging him out of Canada.

Percy also manages to trip Iapetus and throw him into the River Lethe.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Then how come he wasn't 5-B?

Pretty sure it was explained why that isn't aplicable

 

[RegisNex1232]

Percy isn't most demigods, and despite what people think, Annabeth is, so if the feat is taken at face value, you are essentially suggesting that random monsters in the verse have 6-C strength and there should be destroyed cities in the books.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I agree with Repuzann

 

[RRTheEndMan]

Just saying, the greeks were the first to prove the Earth round, why do we use that calc?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Saying that percy fought people on the level of god's does not make Annabeths feat any less of an outlier, especially as gods are not 6-C.

You either rate percy on the level of the gods, or you don't bring it up to prove another feat.

 

[RegisNex1232]

So Clarisse for some reason is 8-C, while a physically weaker Annabeth is 6-C...

Especially when Clarisse killed the drakon by herself and with Ares' Blessing was soloing Kronos' army when Annabeth couldn't do either.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Clarisse should be 6-C too I think.

 

[RegisNex1232]

By that logic everyone becomes 6-C, since any monster can kill her when given the chance. Apart from this one 'feat', nothing else supports all demigods being 6-C and in-story are never presented that way. It's consistently shown that the large majority of demigods aren't especially strong to the point of lifting cars with one finger or causing earthquakes with sword clashes.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I can name you a bunch of 2-As or even 1-As who aren't portrayed as their tier but are unequivocally (did I use that word right?) that tier.

 

[DMUA]

Alternatively

I can name an entire verse where anything from 8-A to 4-B is portrayed as damagable by bullets but despite that, 8-A and 4-B is indeed a thing.

 

[RegisNex1232]

And? Doesn't make the sky 'feat' any less of an outlier going by the books, which is all we have.

 

[Kepekley23]

This thread is ridiculous, seriously.