Rimuru vs Arceus: Redux

[DMB_1]

Conceptual manipulation is bound by the scale shown no matter the type.
Type 2/3/4 concept manip that works on 30 universes wouldn't work on something encompassing a million universes.

I don't get how you can have a type 2 concept only bound to a section of reality.

So basically, a type 2 concept can be bound to a planet? That wouldn't really make it "transcendent".

 

[Elizhaa]

Does Rimuru have a resistance to sealing ?

I mean... Can't Arceus just seal Rimuru way outside of his range?

He can escape it.

 

[Elizhaa]

Conceptual manipulation is bound by the scale shown no matter the type.
Type 2/3/4 concept manip that works on 30 universes wouldn't work on something encompassing a million universes.

If it's type 1 same story but the scale is outerversal

Isn't the scale-up to a Dimensional Tiering?

 

[Dragopentling]

Does Rimuru have a resistance to sealing ?

I mean... Can't Arceus just seal Rimuru way outside of his range?

He can escape it.

How difficult OR easy was it for Rimuru to escape Yuuki's sealing, then?

 

[TriforcePower1]

Rimuru can't kill Arceus due to Arceus simply being too big to be killed by Rimuru. Even if Rimuru destroyed a good chunk of the multi-verse, Arceus would still exist in the universes that were not destroyed.

 

[Zeifyl]

Does Rimuru have a resistance to sealing ?

I mean... Can't Arceus just seal Rimuru way outside of his range?

He can escape it.

If it's outside of his range then, by definition, he cannot escape it.

 

[Kaltias]

I don't get how you can have a type 2 concept only bound to a section of reality.

So basically, a type 2 concept can be bound to a planet? That wouldn't really make it "transcendent".

No, but it is bound to the size of your verse (and the dimensional level)

If your verse is smaller, said type 2 concept encompasses less stuff.

If it encompassed everything regardless of its size, it'd be type 1

 

[Elizhaa]

Dragopentling, Rimuru escape it really easily. In fact, none Yuukis haxes works on High 4-C Rimuru so sealing was his final solution which Rimuru easily escape after being sealed.

 

[DMB_1]

You cannot be bound and transcendant over something at the same time.

 

[Dragopentling]

Does Rimuru have a resistance to sealing ?

I mean... Can't Arceus just seal Rimuru way outside of his range?

He can escape it.

If it's outside of his range then, by definition, he cannot escape it.

wait, what?

 

[DMB_1]

Guys, please don't quote large walls of text.

 

[Elizhaa]

If it encompassed everything regardless of its size, it'd be type 1

This is only for Tier 1-A and higher though.

 

[The_Causality]

Dragopentling, Rimuru escape it really easily. In fact, none Yuukis haxes works on High 4-C Rimuru so sealing was his final solution which Rimuru easily escape after being sealed.

The problem is that Rimuru escaped from the end of space time from a Single Universe, not even the Multiverse, Arceus can seal you outside of the pokemon multiverse which is Billion Time larger than Rimuru's multiverse

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

You can have type 2 concept manipulation but effect a concept without effecting the whole verse

 

[DMB_1]

What I'm saying is that a type 2 concept should encompass anything in the dimensional plane, by the virtue of being "beyond reality itself".

 

[Dragopentling]

Dragopentling, Rimuru escape it really easily. In fact, none Yuukis haxes works on High 4-C Rimuru so sealing was his final solution which Rimuru easily escape after being sealed.

Okay, but does that automatically mean he can easily escape a Multiversal Level sealing?

 

[Kaltias]

The concept is not bound to the verse.

But the size of the verse defines the best showings.

What i'm saying is that a 4-D type 2 concept doesn't define everything 4-D outside of its own verse.

If the 4-D component of your verse is 30 universes and mine's is 10^700, you can concept hax 30 universes

 

[Elizhaa]

Yeah, he has resistance scaled to his AP and back then when resisted it Yuuki was High 3-A compared to Rimuru a High 4-C.

Also, from fighting, Rimuru's true being in imaginary space, sending clones to fight, which can give him resistance via Reactive Evolution for abilities like Sealing anyway.

 

[Zeifyl]

Yeah, he has resistance scaled to his AP and back then when resisted it Yuuki was High 3-A compared to Rimuru a High 4-C.
Also, from fighting, Rimuru's true being in imaginary space, sending clones to fight, which can give him resistance via Reactive Evolution for abilities like Sealing anyway.

Arceus can easily reach the imaginary space from the edge of Rimuru's multiverse that is furthest away from it. Hiding there does nothing.

 

[The_Causality]

Yeah, he has resistance scaled to his AP and back then when resisted it Yuuki was High 3-A compared to Rimuru a High 4-C.
Also, from fighting, Rimuru's true being in imaginary space, sending clones to fight, which can give him resistance via Reactive Evolution for abilities like Sealing anyway.

It isn't sealing but BFR

And Pokemon's multiverse is far beyond Rimuru's multiverse

He can't escape from this.

 

[Elizhaa]

Zeifyl, so Arceus would go in range to get Hax stomps?

 

[Dragopentling]

Zeifyl, so Arceus would go in range to get Hax stomps?

Huh?

 

[Zeifyl]

Zeifyl, so Arceus would go in range to get Hax stomps?

No, we've been over this. Rimuru lacks the range to hit anything but a miniscule fraction of true Arceus. Not enough to deal damage.

 

[The_Causality]

@Nedge in summary, Rimuru can't kill arceus because of the size of him, Arceus can Incap Rimuru and reache the immaginary clones

 

[Elizhaa]

@Nedge in summary, Rimuru can't kill arceus because of the size of him, Arceus can Incap Rimuru and reache the immaginary clones

@The Causality, not quite the case.

Arceus's sealing is Dimensional BFR (Functions as Sealing as well) same as Yuuki Kagurazaka which Rimuru can escape. Arceus is not going to Incap with sealing.

 

[Dragopentling]

@Nedge in summary, Rimuru can't kill arceus because of the size of him, Arceus can Incap Rimuru and reache the immaginary clones

I also want to point out that Arceus, in turn, can likely also send his physical avatars at Rimuru to fight the clones, if it comes down to that. There is no clear cut recordings or evidence for that, but if Arceus can create avatars of himself throughout the Pokemon multiverse, I don't see why he can't do that.

 

[Elizhaa]

@Nedge in summary, Rimuru can't kill arceus because of the size of him, Arceus can Incap Rimuru and reache the immaginary clones

I also want to point out that Arceus, in turn, can likely also send his physical avatars at Rimuru to fight the clones, if it comes down to that

Arceus's true form is corporeal regardless of size.

 

[Dragopentling]

@Nedge in summary, Rimuru can't kill arceus because of the size of him, Arceus can Incap Rimuru and reache the immaginary clones

I also want to point out that Arceus, in turn, can likely also send his physical avatars at Rimuru to fight the clones, if it comes down to that

Arceus's true form is corporeal regardless of size.

that doesn't counter-argue against what I just stated -_-

 

[The_Causality]

@Nedge Rimuru can escape from a Dimensional BFR in a single Timeline (the end of space time of his timeline), Arceus's BFR is outside of the Pokemon's multiverse which far bigger than Rimueru's multiverse and even if he can escape a imensional BFR from the entitre Tensei's multiverse, it's still near infinitly smaller than pokemon's multiverse

 

[Zeifyl]

that doesn't counter-argue against what I just stated -_-

Also, the statement is untrue. The true form of Arceus is incorporeal, invisible, and omnipresent.

Not that it matters. Just putting it out there.

 

[Elizhaa]

He does not have avatar on his profile. His consciousness is just omnipresent. he still corporeal

Speed: Omnipresent (Exists beyond traditional space, time and matter. Its consciousness exists all across space and time)

Wait, I think the definition means only Arceus's mind is omnipresent. He might get downgrade to Immeasurable speed scaling from Dialga

 

[Overlord775]

Arceus could just send Rimuru in the distortion world, which even being that can create portals and have multiversal range couldn't escape from, and then place him in a time loop, which worked even on being that were born before time did

 

[Zeifyl]

He does not have avatar on his profile. His consciousness is just omnipresent. he still corporeal
Speed: Omnipresent (Exists beyond traditional space, time and matter. Its consciousness exists all across space and time)

Wait, I think the definition means only Arceus's mind is omnipresent. He might get downgrade to Immeasurable speed scaling from Dialga

There won't be a downgrade. The mind is Arceus.


This is a puppet the mind is controlling. In other words, an avatar.

 

[Dragopentling]

He does not have avatar on his profile. His consciousness is just omnipresent. he still corporeal
Speed: Omnipresent (Exists beyond traditional space, time and matter. Its consciousness exists all across space and time)

Wait, I think the definition means only Arceus's mind is omnipresent. He might get downgrade to Immeasurable speed scaling from Dialga

There won't be a downgrade. The mind is Arceus.

This is a puppet the mind is controlling. In other words, an avatar.

that sorta reinforces my previous comment

 

[Zeifyl]

that sorta reinforces my previous comment

That was the point.

 

[Overlord775]

Wait, I think the definition means only Arceus's mind is omnipresent. He might get downgrade to Immeasurable speed scaling from Dialga

Dialga was downgraded to infinite speed

 

[Dragopentling]

that sorta reinforces my previous comment

That was the point.

yea, my bad....thanks, dude

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Just curious why doesn't Arceus (avatar) have a tier?, while Darkseid does indeed have scaling for his avatars (5-B to 2-C).

 

[Zeifyl]

Just curious why doesn't Arceus (avatar) have a tier?, while Darkseid does indeed have scaling for his avatars (5-B to 2-C).

Because Arceus' avatars are also 2-B (Just slightly lower on the 2-B scale), and have most of, if not all of true Arceus' abilities. A key for them is redundant.

 

[Elizhaa]

The OG Omnipresent thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/392757

I will be honest, the evidences are really speculative compared to our standard now. It is even described that only Arceus's mind is Omnipresent not his body.

This looks like at best Nigh-Omnipresence at best.