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Rimuru Tempest vs Riven of a Thousand Voices

As I said, almost everything critical to Rimuru, including Ciel, is located WITHIN THE SOUL, in other words no matter how good possession/mindhax you got, it won't be able to affect anything in the soul. I don't think that should be too hard to understand.


Also Rimuru's other self in the imaginary space... reactive evolution triggers immdietly unless Riven can mindhax AND soulhax both versions of Rimuru at the same time, providing Riven even knows that the other Rimuru exists. Anything less than that and mindhax won't work anymore.
 
Something being "within the soul" does not mean that it is a literal soul, Ciel is just as mind haxable as anyone else
 
Hl3 or bust said:
Something being "within the soul" does not mean that it is a literal soul, Ciel is just as mind haxable as anyone else
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No? Ciel is literally a component of Rimuru's soul.

And again, NO ONE explained how the other Rimuru gets dealt with.
 
His memories transcend time-space, and exist within Rimuru's Nucleic Heart, which is within his soul, which is multiverses away. Unless it's mindhax that effects the soul, it isn't working. Once Rimuru catches a glimpse of it, it's analyzed, copied, and negated.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
His memories transcend time-space, and exist within Rimuru's Nucleic Heart, which is within his soul, which is multiverses away. Unless it's mindhax that effects the soul, it isn't working. Once Rimuru catches a glimpse of it, it's analyzed, copied, and negated.
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Uh what. I'm fairly certain that the "multiverses away" part is outright nonexistent. Also NLF at him instantly noping hax trillions og times better than anything in his verse
 
No? Ciel is literally a component of Rimuru's soul.

And again, NO ONE explained how the other Rimuru gets dealt with.

Ok so? It still has a mind, aka it can get mind haxed eaisly

Also we did, you just think that Imaginary Space is further away than it actually is
 
Not really. Rimuru's main body is within the Imaginary Space, disconnected from reality.

Furthermore you'd also need to take out Rimuru's subordinates, which are also connected via Soul Corridor.
 
No? Ciel is literally a component of Rimuru's soul.

And again, NO ONE explained how the other Rimuru gets dealt with.

Ok so? It still has a mind, aka it can get mind haxed eaisly

Also we did, you just think that Imaginary Space is further away than it actually is

Too late. It might have a fragment of chance of working if she

  1. Knew about the other Rimuru's existence, which there is no indication that she does
  2. Use the mindhax SIMULANTOUSLY on both Rimuru's
If there is even a slight delay, between the mindhaxes then Rimuru gains resistance, the Rimuru in front of Riven regains his mind and Riven gets BFRed.
 
Hl3 or bust said:
Riven has absolutely no reason not to mind hax someone on sight, literally none at all
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Yes, but without info analysis there is no reason to believe that she'd even be aware of the other Rimuru.
 
NeoSuperior said:
Hl3 or bust said:
Riven has absolutely no reason not to mind hax someone on sight, literally none at all
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Yes, but without info analysis there is no reason to believe that she'd even be aware of the other Rimuru.
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She can read his mind.

Even if Ciel could do anything to Riven it would take her a long time to make Rimuru's resistance to mind hax a million times better, giving Riven enough time to do whatever she wants with Rimuru.

Taking most definitely overpowers most of Rimuru's defenses.
 
Furthermore, I see no reistance to info analysis on Riven's profile. So what stops Rimuru from knowing everything she can do and creating resistances from first glance?
 
She does, it's listed under general Vex resistances iirc, since someone with 2-A processing power couldn't understand the Taken iirc
 
It's not on her profile, because some Destiny profiles are missing stuff like that. It is however a fact that the Vex can't analyze the Taken and the Vex>>>>>>>>>Ciel.
 
Ciel has the analysis skill to know and recreate the entire multiverse tens of thousands of times over. This actually should go to his 4-C key, because she knew how to recreate Turn Null, but only asked if Rimuru should once he was BFR'd, in a situation where she saw fit.
 
The Vex can simulate 2-A multiverses with 2.2222....% of their overall capacity and can't understand the Taken at all
 
Okay, but can it tell where Rimuru's true mind is, the Nucleic Heart within his soul, which is disconnected from reality?

Whilst his Soul Corridor is connected to all of his subordinates.
 
Yes, but without info analysis there is no reason to believe that she'd even be aware of the other Rimuru.
Even if Ciel could do anything to Riven it would take her a long time to make Rimuru's resistance to mind hax a million times better, giving Riven enough time to do whatever she wants with Rimuru.

Definitely not. Rimuru was able to immdietly copy a 3-A's magic within stopped time like it was nothing (and said 3-A with every ability in the Multiverse other than some things that Rimuru possessed, could do nothing to Rimuru aside from relying on a low-chance-at-succeeding PIS situation to BFR Rimuru, which backfired spectarularily and ended up with Rimuru coming back as a 2-B existence). Something like higher potency won't stop Rimuru from copying it, that's how his reactive evolution works. Ask Celestial Pegasus for more details if you want to know.

Also you just admitted that she'd need to "read his mind first", but Rimuru leaves all the "complicated stuff" to Ciel, so that not only won't help Riven much, but it also means that there is a guaranteed delay within which Rimuru's reactive evolution will do it's job. After that BFR happens and Rimuru wins.
 
You repeat that a lot like it just shuts down everything. But Riven can via telepathy

Ok so? Riven just mind ***** all of them too for kicks
 
Furthermore his Reactive Evolution works to the part where just willing enough gets him the skills to deal with his opponent. Hence, him learning to deal with Hinata's strikes mid-fight by getting precognition.

Or becoming stronger than Yuuki, after he took one month to learn everything but TWO skills to learn. Nothing states it took the month for him to take that long, and could even be considered even less because Ciel says he evolves every single day, and even more than that as stated above.
 
You keep insisting that somehow the mindhax translates into soulhax without giving any good reasons for why that would work.

Note that "ghosts" and the likes are no longer proof for that ever since non-physical interaction was introduced.
 
Copying =/= increasing already existing abilities. She'd have nothing to copy here and as such Rimuru's mind gets destroyed.

Reading his mind would lead to her knowing about Ciel, which leads to her simply Taking Rimuru.
 
As usual I feel that Destiny's ability potencies are being overrated but I dont know enough about the verse to refute it.
 
NeoSuperior said:
You keep insisting that somehow the mindhax translates into soulhax without giving any good reasons for why that would work.

Note that "ghosts" and the likes are no longer proof for that ever since non-physical interaction was introduced.
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You keep insitiing that you need soul hax to mind hax a soul. See the issue there?

No, the Ghost is a physical thing
 
Again, all critically important stuff is in the soul. I have not seen anything indicating that the mindhax and/or the possession have soulhax included.
 
Nope, as he has a resistance to telepathy from the VoTW when he first got Ciel, and got far stronger as evidenced EoS.

I never said copying =/= better utilizing, however Rimuru was able to copy Primitive Magic and use it to counter Yuuki with the same or even BETTER usage than him on his first try, as opposed to when he first fought the Orc Lord and couldn't properly use his skills unlike his other subordinates.
 
NeoSuperior said:
Again, all critically important stuff is in the soul. I have not seen anything indicating that the mindhax and/or the possession have soulhax included.
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You need mind hax to mind hax someone. You need soul hax to soul hax aomeone. Your mind being in your soul changes literally nothing
 
Yes and hacking the voice function of the voice of the world doesn't translate to resistance at all and it was never implied to. Elizaah said so too. And even then the VoTW is 2-C so it would be a lower resistance then needed anyway.

The argument is that Riven can destroy Rimuru's mind and that Ciel can't just instantly repair it or copy anything from Riven and as such Riven has enough time to do all kinds of other stuff like Taking, which most definitely also affects the soul.
 
It does in the context of Slimeverse. In Slimeverse there have been instances where someone's body was controlled via mindhax but the indiviual in question could keep the heart/nucleus of their existence safe from harm.
 
Hl3 or bust said:
The Vex can simulate 2-A multiverses with 2.2222....% of their overall capacity and can't understand the Taken at all
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Intelligence does not neccessarily correlate to potency of info analysis and reactive evolution (you can for example be able to defend against something even if you can't neccessarily recreate the attack itself). Also simulating is different from actually creating.
 
Intelligence does not neccessarily correlate to potency of info analysis. Also simulating is different from actually creating.

What

I genuinely do not understand your point
 
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