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Rimuru Tempest vs Riven of a Thousand Voices

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There's the abstract existence on his file

Riven actually sorta won, because you killing it was part of her goal. She did manage to string along the Player Character into doing what she wanted, even if the PC would resist her mindhax if she tried to be aggressive with it.

What I was talking about is how her powerset will kill rimuru if he copies it.
 
Abstract Existence is not specified there. What type? If the type is type 3 then it won't work on Rimuru who is type 2.
 
Wokistan said:
How will they be able to analyze Riven when THe Vex aren't able to comprehend Taken? How good's the mindhax resistance in the first place? How can he bypass the causality loop on death?
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Vex has nothing to Rimuru. Loop of death??? There time based event where Rimuru was supposed to die every time stated by a time traveler no matter what was done but has soon as Rimuru gained a Ultimate skills, he become one who was outside of law of world (gaining resistance to law Manipulation) and the time loop was broken. I don't think the other loop will works.
 
@Wokistan But isn't that only if he tries to replicate the Taking ability, correct? Although, Rimuru has been shown to be able to resist abilities just from being able to watch them, and without even knowing how they work, which could bypass the Ontological portion of the ability.
 
And by the way, mindhax sounds good and all but it's useless if it doesn't affect both Rimuru on the battlefied AND then one in the seperate imaginary space at the same time. If there is even the slightest delay, then Rimuru's reactive evolution triggers and becomes completely resistant against the attack.
 
He had AE before it was separated into parts. Give me a sec to grab some stuff, though that doesn't even really affect mindhax stuff anyways since there's still a vessel there that bears some connection to whatever provides the thought and Riven has really far range.

Vex are nigh omniscient, individual drones can near perfectly simulate entire universes, as a collective they have 2 spaces with infinite such simulations, I think they're gonna be better than his rating.

Riven's death loop is a thing that she uses to resurrect herself, actually. The Player Character has no idea how to break it and has some insanely potent law manip themselves, since they have the law manip of every Hive God besides Oryx and with their personal law could temporarily channel Oryx's own power and fight him.
 
@Wokistan Does Riven also resist time stop? I would assume that she does, but her profile doesn't seem to mention it.
 
Wokistan said:
Though that doesn't even really affect mindhax stuff anyways since there's still a vessel there that bears some connection to whatever provides the thought and Riven has really far range.
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I think it should also be reiterated that Rimuru doesn't share a connection with his clone. Its just another version of him that is disconnected and independent to the him in imaginary space.
 
NPI was made after Riven. It's also one of those powers that's so basic that people just sorta forget it exists. Feel free to add it.

I can't really comment here for a while. Gonna shoot for like half an hour, but I really gotta do some studying.
 
Power Mimicry against Rimuru would fail, now that I look at it. Skills in Slimeverse are inscribed into the soul itself so you'd need soulhax that's above the target's resistance to it, to access that. Rather, even Rimuru's Information Manipulation ability (in CRT, but should be added soon) can't change anyone else's Skills because that sort of stuff is all within the soul and you need to "access the soul" first to get it. There is no power to mimic through Rimuru's desires here.

And Ciel also exists as part of Rimuru's soul, so Ciel would be unaffected by mindhax and desirehax too.

Furthermore Ultimate Skills are manifestations of their users desires themselves. And yes, they are within the soul as well.
 
NeoSuperior said:
Power Mimicry against Rimuru would fail, now that I look at it. Skills in Slimeverse are inscribed into the soul itself so you'd need soulhax that's above the target's resistance to it, to access that. Rather, even Rimuru's Information Manipulation ability (in CRT, but should be added soon) can't change anyone else's Skills because that sort of stuff is all within the soul and you need to "access the soul" first to get it. There is no power to mimic through Rimuru's desires here.

And Ciel also exists as part of Rimuru's soul, so Ciel would be unaffected by mindhax and desirehax too.
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I don't believe the power mimicry Riven has is a result of desirehax. She can literally just mimic anything she chooses and gain all of their powers.

"As an Ahamkara, Riven is capable of changing her physical form to anything she desires along with copying the physical attributes and powers of the entity she copies."

For example, some Ahamkara have even been able to transform into the Vex which exist at every point in time. (also causing them to exist at every point in time)

[I'm trying to remain as impartial as possible here, so the below claim is just my understanding of Riven's mind/desirehax.]

And I'm pretty sure Ciel would be affected, because she has been said to have desires, which falls under Riven's ability to affect any sentient being that has desires.
 
Correct and well stated Neoƒæì! Nigh-Omniscience is only for Vex verse not Rimuru's verse. Furthermore, Nigh-Omniscience isn't combat applicable like Omniscience or Precognition. Well, I will be busy IRL for a few days so I hope to come soon and likewise take guysƒæì!
 
Then it definitly fails. It say "physical attributes and powers". Rimuru is a Spiritual Being, so "physical" is entirely useless. There are no physical attributes to copy.

And again, can't access what you can't reach. If you can't soulhax your way into the soul then it's out of reach.

In regards to voting I'll withhold from that for now.
 
NeoSuperior said:
Then it definitly fails. It say "physical attributes and powers". Rimuru is a Spiritual Being, so "physical" is entirely useless. There are no physical attributes to copy.

And again, can't access what you can't reach. If you can't soulhax your way into the soul then it's out of reach.

In regards to voting I'll withhold from that for now.
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Okay, that makes sense to me. (both the reasoning for Ciel, and the reason for Riven being unable to replicate Rimuru) So, if Ciel isn't affected, can Ciel prevent Rimuru from doing anything detrimental to himself if he does get desire hax'd? Like I guess the point here is, if Rimuru ends up ignoring Ciel, what recourse is there for Ciel to stop him?
 
She can self-destruct this Rimuru or put Rimuru to sleep and even take over the body if neccessary. But that probably wouldn't be neccessary here.

What's likely to happen is this:

  • Ciel puts Rimuru to sleep immdietly upon him being mindhaxed.
  • Analyses the effects of the mindhax via Reactive Evolution and creates a counter-measure to it
  • Undoes the mindhax and re-awakens Rimuru again
  • At that point Rimuru would be resistant to any further mindhaxes. And the other Rimuru within imaginary space would gain the same resistance via Soul Corridors
  • All this would basically happen in an instant
By the way, how strong is Riven's Soulhax and Soulhax-Resistance?
 
Coming back from a minor study break, Rimuru can't really feel emotions or is more or less emotionaless a slime so I don't think it desired will count.
 
Elizhaa said:
Coming back from a minor study break, Rimuru can't really feel emotions or is more or less emotionaless a slime so I don't think it desired will count.
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I'm pretty sure Rimuru has desires. Most sentient beings do, its not traditional emotional or mind manipulation.
 
I'm pretty sure Rimuru has desires. Most sentient beings do, its not traditional emotional or mind manipulation.

can't rimuru just conceal or even erase his emotions via info manipulation for riven to perceive ? Im fairly certain riven doesn't have any technique to bypass rimuru's info manipulation
 
So from what I see a lot Wokistan's arguments haven't been properly countered and I'm familiar with both charcters and I have I agree with Wok's reasons. Riven FRA.
 
Still no answer to my soulhax question... again, a lot of Slimeverse stuff is related to the soul and most of the "Imporant" things, including Ultimate Skills, which are manifestations of the users' desires, are located in the soul, which can only be reached with the appropiate soulhax.

Aside from that, I explained earlier why this whole mindhax stuff at least won't work. It'll immdietly get "dispelled" and a resistance to it gets created. I have yet to hear any counter-argument to that. As well as to the fact that copying the "physical characteristics" of a Spiritual Being is useless.
 
I'm about 100% certain that Rimuru has no counter to the mind hax, which riven constantly uses

If that somehow fails she could just Take
 
And what would his counter to mind hax well above his resistances and with more than enough range to actually win be?
 
As I mentioned previously, the mind hax makes no difference even if it works. It gets immdietly countered by Ciel, who is out of reach, through Reactive Evolution.

Take gets resisted.
 
Ciel is located within Rimuru's soul, i.e. out of range for anything. Likewise with Rimuru's powers. Reactive evolution will counter the mindhax immidietly.

Then Rimuru BFRs her with Infinite Prison.


Since it seems only the same arguments are used, which I already debunked,

I'll vote for Rimuru now.
 
What? "Mind had doesn't work even if it works." Also Ciel is almost definitely not out of reach

No, no it does not. Take is far above anything in TSSDK in terms of hax
 
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