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People were objecting to type 3, either we include type 3 or add the note, cause just embodying a concept won't meet the current criteria for either type 1 or 2.
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Rewriting the Abstract Existence page pt.2
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That's just people giving the ability to characters that shouldn't have it.Antvasima said:
"This term means that a certain character is an immaterial embodiment of a fundamental abstract concept, and is able to regenerate as long as the concept itself continues to exist.
It should be noted that simply being representative of a concept does not qualify a character for this ability, as it only applies to the ones that fulfill the above requirements."
^That's in the current abstract existence page
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Alright first of all I would like to say that I appreciate the enormous amount of work Kal has put into this. I also think everyone helping will make this page be more straightforward but the brunt lied on Kals shoulders - Kudos to that.
That being said I have some minor things to add which may be added or implemented in the page. I am going to post them later down the day, just wanted to make sure I dont forget it - so see this as a placeholder.
That being said I have some minor things to add which may be added or implemented in the page. I am going to post them later down the day, just wanted to make sure I dont forget it - so see this as a placeholder.
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@Raven
Thank you. I look forward to your post.
@Ant
Type 3: These characters embody an abstraction, but can still be killed using normal means, because they are not reliant on it. However, they can control the abstraction itself and/or its manifestations.
^I was thinking about something like this
Thank you. I look forward to your post.
@Ant
Type 3: These characters embody an abstraction, but can still be killed using normal means, because they are not reliant on it. However, they can control the abstraction itself and/or its manifestations.
^I was thinking about something like this
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Like Creation Trio??
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Type 3 sounds cool too. It was also in the original blog draft, no?
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I am also fine with type 3
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Already said i am fine with type 3,
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Hop will prepare the funeral.Kaltias said:
Anyway.
Hop thinks this kind of category should be inplemented and recognized as immortality. As proxy or directly, given the Type 3 definition. Hop agree, yes.
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Are their existences in some way abstract, though?Kaltias said:
Isn't this more being a represention of an abstraction, than it is having an abstract existence?
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I mean, I would say that Type 2 isn't a truly abstract existence either; as I see it, the only difference is that a Type 2 abstract can regenerate from even total nonexistence as long as their respective abstraction exists.DontTalkDT said:
Furthermore, the description for Type 2 outright states that someone of this kind of abstract existence can still be affected without altering the abstraction they embody. It's possible that such an entity could have a physical form.
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So are we adding type 3 or not?
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If we are fine with type 2 who can also be physical beings just like type 3 is, i don't see why type 3 is an issue.
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Bump
We need to come to a conclusion here.
We need to come to a conclusion here.
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In that case, maybe we can apply the changes?
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I mean, as I see it a Type 2 would basically have an abstract core / an abstract true self and just use/need physical vessels to interact with the physical world.Kaltias said:
But it is not that important to make the destinction, I guess. If the popular option is to have it, we can add it. (Though we should be very strict with the types also being added then)
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I guess that is one way valid way to do the distinction.
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So are we good with the types now?
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@CeleP Hop would argue so.
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Let's be fair to other staff and give 12 hours before closing this thread. The sun doesn't light all hemispheres at once, so to speak. If no one replies further, Hop thinks it's safe to close it and continue.
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That's fine
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I'll write a final draft tomorrow.
Just to be sure that we are all on the same boat:
1 -> Character is purely a concept. Can have avatars but those are just projections and affecting them does not affect the abstract self
2 -> Character is immortal thanks to a concept, but can be affected without affecting the abstraction, they simply won't die
3 -> Character can be killed with normal means, but has concept manip.
Just to be sure that we are all on the same boat:
1 -> Character is purely a concept. Can have avatars but those are just projections and affecting them does not affect the abstract self
2 -> Character is immortal thanks to a concept, but can be affected without affecting the abstraction, they simply won't die
3 -> Character can be killed with normal means, but has concept manip.
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Idk if 3 is even concept manip, but rather "conceptual affinity".
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No, it is conceptual manip. Just means you're not bound to your concept.
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Then what of characters that are called "embodiment" but just display extreme affinity for their concepts? Just gain the powers surrounding with without having any abstraction listed?
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