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Recently, we discussed the standards for Conceptual Manipulation and the various definitions of "concept" in this thread.
As we all know, fiction is filled not only with concept manipulators, but also with living conceptual beings, and the difference between two abstracts can be just as big as the one between two concepts.
Embodying a concept can do a ton of things. It could simply grant you very good control over it, give you immortality reliant on the concept, and more.
For example, Dialga is the conceptual embodiment of time, but what this entails is that Dialga's existence sustain the flow of time. Not that Dialga can't be punched to death because time would keep it alive, or that you would need conceptual manipulation to actually damage it.
Meanwhile, an abstract like Khorne is immortal as long as the concept that it embodies exists.
As it stands right now, our page for abstract existence only covers cases like Khorne. This isn't necessarily wrong, but it limits abstract existence as a power only to a specific kind of abstracts, which is kinda like ignoring that as every other power, the scale can vary.
It would be also a good idea to always explain not only the abstract existence in terms of "what's the relationship between the abstract and the concept", but also "what type of concept it is" because as we discussed during Assalt's thread, this changes things.
TL;DR: The purpose of this thread is to rewrite the Abstract Existence page in order to reflect the fact that there are multiple kinds of abstracts in fiction. Creating a way to classify them, and detail it on the page
Thoughts?
As we all know, fiction is filled not only with concept manipulators, but also with living conceptual beings, and the difference between two abstracts can be just as big as the one between two concepts.
Embodying a concept can do a ton of things. It could simply grant you very good control over it, give you immortality reliant on the concept, and more.
For example, Dialga is the conceptual embodiment of time, but what this entails is that Dialga's existence sustain the flow of time. Not that Dialga can't be punched to death because time would keep it alive, or that you would need conceptual manipulation to actually damage it.
Meanwhile, an abstract like Khorne is immortal as long as the concept that it embodies exists.
As it stands right now, our page for abstract existence only covers cases like Khorne. This isn't necessarily wrong, but it limits abstract existence as a power only to a specific kind of abstracts, which is kinda like ignoring that as every other power, the scale can vary.
It would be also a good idea to always explain not only the abstract existence in terms of "what's the relationship between the abstract and the concept", but also "what type of concept it is" because as we discussed during Assalt's thread, this changes things.
TL;DR: The purpose of this thread is to rewrite the Abstract Existence page in order to reflect the fact that there are multiple kinds of abstracts in fiction. Creating a way to classify them, and detail it on the page
Thoughts?