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It's not specified regarding the timelines part, hence Low 2-C being the better rating, is what Kep believes I think.
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Revision of Nagakabouros's Tier
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No Naga exists in 1 universe with multiple times lines which she embodies, which is 2-C to 2-B when using the countless statement.
And then on top of that she exists in multiple universe which also gives her multiversal range.
And then on top of that she exists in multiple universe which also gives her multiversal range.
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Which is why she is Low 2-C for sure and the the possibly is for the 2-C or 2-B statement.RegisNex1232 said:
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Low 2-C by itself is already the high-end. Naga is one universe, that's Low 2-C. She exists on multiple universes, hence she has multiversal range.
There is no need to give a possibly to something baseless (so far)
There is no need to give a possibly to something baseless (so far)
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Naga is one universe that has multiple timelines in it btw I am not talking about all the skin lines I am talking about the main canon skinline that she embodies, 1 universe is Low 2-C, a universe with multiple timelines is 2-C , one with countless timelines is 2-B, 1 with an infinite number is 2-A. She is sitting withing 2-C and 2-B since the universe she is in has countless timelines.
What is so hard to get about what I am saying?
What is so hard to get about what I am saying?
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Please provide scans.
And we don't assume Naga to be one with all the timelines, just with the one we know her to be. Without evidence there is simply no "possibly" to be warranted.
And we don't assume Naga to be one with all the timelines, just with the one we know her to be. Without evidence there is simply no "possibly" to be warranted.
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There's nothing about timelines or whether Riot considers it regarding Naga.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htZxMoCFbNM&feature=youtu.be&t=45
Kindred comfirms that there are countless timelines due to Ekkos ability to shatter time into multiple pieces. These pieces become full fledged timelines of their own.
Ekko:https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_GB/champion/ekko/
" he explores the branching possibilities of reality to craft the perfect moment. "
https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_GB/story/champion/ekko/
" Ekko opened his eyes to see several splintered realities—and several "echo" versions of himself— staring back in sheer panic amid the fractured continua. "
multiple timelines so that is at least 2-C
Kindred comfirms that there are countless timelines due to Ekkos ability to shatter time into multiple pieces. These pieces become full fledged timelines of their own.
Ekko:https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_GB/champion/ekko/
" he explores the branching possibilities of reality to craft the perfect moment. "
https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_GB/story/champion/ekko/
" Ekko opened his eyes to see several splintered realities—and several "echo" versions of himself— staring back in sheer panic amid the fractured continua. "
multiple timelines so that is at least 2-C
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Naga doesn't need to be DS Thresh, this is the part that really matters.RegisNex1232 said:
A universe does not end as long as time flows in it, thus events continue to occur.
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And...what does that have to do with Naga?
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Thing is all those timeliines are in the same universe and Naga exists is said universe.Kepekley23 said:
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The thing is it's not stated anywhere that she's in all the timelines, which is what Kep is asking for.
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All the timelines are in the same universe Ekko splitting up said universes would not make Naga not exists in the others.RegisNex1232 said:
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The universe or reality is naga, Ekko explores all possibilities of Naga, Naga is a reality of multiple timelines since "All is Naga".Kepekley23 said:
Thus Naga is possibly 2-C.
Then we know from Kindred that there are actually countless timelines.
Thus Naga is possibly 2-B.
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That says nothing about Naga encompassing multiple timelines. That's literally something you made up on the spot.
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"Naga is all" only refers to one universe unless otherwise shown, since this is what Naga was stated to be.
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To destroy all of the universe in LoL destroying one timeline is not enough Thus Naga would still exist. To destroy her you would need to destroy all of the timelines. The timelines are all in 1 universe.Kepekley23 said:
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Even if Nagakabouros is one universe, it's still one universe with several realities (and dimensions) attached to it, thus 'larger than "just" 1'.
She's spent a millennia journeying to (and playing with) dimensions and realities beyond human comprehension. Now she's returned to Runeterra and has hardly aged a year.
"Emotionally, she's still a young girl," says narrative writer Odin "WAAAARGHbobo" Shafer.
That's 1 multi-reality sized universe. i.e.The Afterlife making dragon ball universes larger than normal is an apt comparison.
She's spent a millennia journeying to (and playing with) dimensions and realities beyond human comprehension. Now she's returned to Runeterra and has hardly aged a year.
"Emotionally, she's still a young girl," says narrative writer Odin "WAAAARGHbobo" Shafer.
That's 1 multi-reality sized universe. i.e.The Afterlife making dragon ball universes larger than normal is an apt comparison.
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And said universe has multiple timelines.Kepekley23 said:
Oh yeah good point by Heikel. Even ignoring said timelinese there are other realities in it.
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The Afterlife is not an alternate timeline in Dragon Ball universes. It's just another physical dimension/reality attached underneath them, thus making the universes larger than normal.
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You'll have to quantify it with the Tiering system, and all that you've said is still not indicating anything beyond Low 2-C.
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The universe is not >1 universe sized necessarily because of alternate timelines. It's because of multiple realities (not timelines); whether it's 1.5 or 1.8 at low end, it's greater than one.
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Kep I dont think you are understanding me in the slightest let me make an analogy using the sophisticated tool of paint.
All of the timelines are inside the same exact universe and yet are full fledged universes in themselves they are all Nagakabouros is what I am saying while you are saying is that they are splitting away from Nagakabouros which is im posssible saince they are all still the same universe.
All of the timelines are inside the same exact universe and yet are full fledged universes in themselves they are all Nagakabouros is what I am saying while you are saying is that they are splitting away from Nagakabouros which is im posssible saince they are all still the same universe.
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Completely wrong that stright up means that she is at least 2-C. Low 2-C is 1 universe and timeline. Multiple realities in the same universe is 2-C.RegisNex1232 said:
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The high(er) end is that one reality (not timelines) is universe-sized that Aurelion Sol can travel, so a universe encompassing multiple realities (not timelines) would be two or more. The low end would still make it 'beyond' Low 2-C under the Tiering system because it's larger than 1 universe.
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Targon is also another reality in the universe of LoL.
I am agreeing with you Heinkel I am just saying that the other timelines are further evidence of of 2-C to 2-B Nagakabouros.
I am agreeing with you Heinkel I am just saying that the other timelines are further evidence of of 2-C to 2-B Nagakabouros.
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"Naga is all" isn't meant to encapsulate literally all of reality. It's for the primary universe, which we can be pretty sure Naga is. We need to just go with the safe option, which is Low 2-C.
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Again, the primary universe is composed of multiple realities, completely excluding the AUs.
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Pretty much, vaguely defined statements and extrapolation is generally less accurate than the relevant hard statements. And I'm still not seeing how multiple realities somehow equates to multiple universes.Assaltwaffle said:
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Yeah I am talking about the primary reality which also has multiple realities in it, going by Bandle city existing in a spiritual world ad going by statements form Ekko's lore meanign that the main reality has countless timelines. Again I am not talking about the skins.
Which is why I propose either Low 2-C, possibly 2-C or Low 2-C, possibly 2-B.
Which is why I propose either Low 2-C, possibly 2-C or Low 2-C, possibly 2-B.
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which is why it is possibly. Also nothing that we said is vaguely defined, I dare you to point out a vaguely defined statement please, this seems to be your only argument. You might say extrapolation but at least that is kind of correct.RegisNex1232 said:
Multiple realities have always meant multiple universes in this wiki. The definition of reality is a universe:https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=reality+meaning
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While I'm not opposed to Low 2-C possibly 2-C today, my idea is that I will just ask Goulding some questions and see if we can instead make Naga 'At least 2-C, possibly X' in a few weeks.
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Given that the wiki also prioritizes accuracy over speculation, we can leave out the possiblies until more evidence is shown.
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I'm pretty sure it's prohibited to ask writers to upgrade character ratings. Weekly did this once before and was told not to do this again.Heinkel Astrea said:
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Given that the wiki also already says "Possibly Should be used to list a hypothetical statistic for a character, but inconclusive due to lack of feats or viable power-scaling. Probability of said hypothetical statistic should also be indeterminate", the rating is fine as long as we use that prefix.
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Naga currently has a viable power-scaling for Low 2-C, that people below low multiversal power can't defeat him. 2-C does not have one, but it doesn't need one today as long as the prefix is used.
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Oh you mean like all the other verses that have "possibly" in their own tiers, please dont pretend this is the only verse that has it. And this is using accurate. You always throw out accuracy, extrapolation, assumptions as if you are somehow always factually correct.
What we know is true:
Nagakabouros is literally the main canon universe.
The main canon universe has countless timelines(Ekko, Taric and Kindred Lore and realities e.g Targon and Spirit world).
These 2 things are 100 percent true and are not speculation.
Making 2-C or 2-B Nagakabouros a high possiblity.
The only possible assumption is if you say that for some reason the other realities in the main canon are not Nagakabouros.
What we know is true:
Nagakabouros is literally the main canon universe.
The main canon universe has countless timelines(Ekko, Taric and Kindred Lore and realities e.g Targon and Spirit world).
These 2 things are 100 percent true and are not speculation.
Making 2-C or 2-B Nagakabouros a high possiblity.
The only possible assumption is if you say that for some reason the other realities in the main canon are not Nagakabouros.
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So you are not allowed to ask, "does Nagakabouros embody the other realities of League of legends?". All they have to say is yes or no?RegisNex1232 said:
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Ask the admins, not me. I'm not the one who made that rule.
As for the rest, let's see, Naga hasn't been linked to the timelines, and conflating the two as an assumption is why it's not being accepted. Especially when apart from that Naga has zero feats of any sorts. Hardly solid evidence for 2-C, let alone 2-B.
As for the rest, let's see, Naga hasn't been linked to the timelines, and conflating the two as an assumption is why it's not being accepted. Especially when apart from that Naga has zero feats of any sorts. Hardly solid evidence for 2-C, let alone 2-B.
