Revision of Acausality Page

[Promestein]

I added him (and added more lines to Type 2, as that specific type was not covered and I figured it'd be a good idea to add it). Though would he qualify for the "immune to time paradoxes / changes to past" part?

 

[Andytrenom]

@Prom It is stated to exist outside of time space and has demonstrated it by being completely unaffected by any alteration to the timeline done through time travel. Speedsters avoid being grandfather paradoxed when traveling through the speed force due to being outside of where the effect of such temporal alterations can reach.

A prison inside the speed force made in the future version existed when Barry traveled to it in the present. It also has a short of omnipresence across various timelines as time traveling abilities of speedsters are built around moving inside the speed force where their past present and future exist at once.

 

[Promestein]

Maybe? Type 4 is weird

 

[Antoniofer]

He didn't experienced any change after a paradox when Kain did.

 

[Promestein]

Alright, good.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Found a good image for it, better than my last suggestion:


Professor Paradox exists outside of time, and can interact with past versions of himself without issue.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Great pic for the type 1.

 

[Standuser081]

So does Novel Kars count as Type 3 Acausal?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

He has a past and future so no

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Seems we have the types hammered out, can we update the acausal page now?

 

[PsychoWarper]

He has a past and future so no

Thats not type 3 though: Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.

Nothing in type 3 mentions no past or future.

 

[Kaltias]

I think that we are looking for some examples of type 4 before we edit the page

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

My bad.

Still no though. Kars doesn't achieve that effect by Acausality, he achieves it through a universe hoppping memory adding Stand

 

[PsychoWarper]

My bad.
Still no though. Kars doesn't achieve that effect by Acausality, he achieves it through a universe hoppping memory adding Stand

So does the stand get it?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Anyone see any type 4 in the Acausal Characters Category?

I mean if there is none, nothing to be done about it, though might seem like a pointless form of acausality if it's so rare no one on the site even has it though that might change in the future.

 

[PsychoWarper]

I may be wrong but SCP-682 MIGHT have it.

Heres something from Dr. Gears stated that: "SCP-682 is not, in any way, a biological entity as we understand biology. It is a…thing, which has somehow formed a "shell" or "growth" that we have numbered SCP-682. What it is, I have no idea, but I doubt it normally has a form we would call "corporeal". Anything dealing with normal biological processes does not count with 682. Hurting it is like shaving the hair off a human: annoying, but not deadly. Time, space, and states of matter must function VERY differently where ever this thing is from, and it is functioning on those rules, not ours. It's like playing checkers against someone playing chess. it's the same board, but the rules and the pieces are totally different."

Again im not certain and just spit balling.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

@Psycho, There is only one D4C(U) in the multiverse or something, so no.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What about God (Crusader Kings)? He apparently exists outside the pattern of predestination mortals are bound by, not sure if that's type 4 though.

 

[Standuser081]

@Psycho, There is only one D4C(U) in the multiverse or something, so no.

When was that ever mentioned?

 

[PsychoWarper]

@Psycho, There is only one D4C(U) in the multiverse or something, so no.

Ok well I know little about JoJo so I was just going off what you said.

"Still no though. Kars doesn't achieve that effect by Acausality, he achieves it through a universe hopping memory adding Stand"

Though I may have misinterpreted it.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

@Celestial, potentially Lord Drakko could qualify for Type 4? Apparently his past is split into multiple timelines, which could be said to operate by a different system of causality to normal

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Was just looking at his profile, he might work.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

@Psycho, There is only one D4C(U) in the multiverse or something, so no.

When was that ever mentioned?

The original series iirc

In any case, D4CU still just works by multiversal teleportation and memory manip, it's not actual temporal permanence.

 

[PsychoWarper]

So im guessing 682 doesnt count for type 4, alright ill look some more.

 

[Antoniofer]

Would Paracausuality qualify as Type 4? If yes then Oryx, the Taken King could work as one, although to be honest, don't known what does it means Paracausal (sounds like something meta).

 

[Wokistan]

Oryx, the Taken King may weirdly enough.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/4zoph6/acausal_vs_paracausal/

Someone read that and see, I can't

 

[PsychoWarper]

Oh yeah, forgot about Oryx, he may count so that can be added with his other revisions if it turns out he is.

(And he could be an example if he is)

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What sort of acausality wold we consider ppl who can keep their memories after history is rewritten, time reset/reversed etc?

 

[SomebodyData]

type 1 i believe

 

[Wokistan]

Yeah ripple effect proof memory is probably type 1 more than anything else.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ok then.

 

[Wokistan]

Also mentions of "regular" acausality exist in Destiny and Oryx is specifically superior to "paracausal weaponry", so its not like its the Destiny specific term for the same thing.

 

[Antoniofer]

What sort of acausality wold we consider ppl who can keep their memories after history is rewritten, time reset/reversed etc?

Sound like a low level of Type 1, assuming that the only thing it keep with it are memories.

 

[Standuser081]

The original series iirc

In any case, D4CU still just works by multiversal teleportation and memory manip, it's not actual temporal permanence.

Actually, D4CU transfers Kars' consciousness to another Kars.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Consciousness, memories, whatever.

Not acausality.

 

[Lightbuster30]

So does type 5 still grant CM resistance? Or does it not since they can still be killed, but replace by a parallel version of themselves?

 

[Wokistan]

Character specific likely.

 

[Lightbuster30]

But CM can affect them? Just that not all versions? (Looking at you Lavos)

 

[Wokistan]

Lavos himself probably has one of the other acausalities as well, but by default you can probably affect them to a meaningless degree.