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Return of the most Skilled Thread

There’s a good reason taskmaster wasn’t on the list last time. His power mimicry has quantity not quality.
 
We should probably wait for some DC supporters to argue for him. If not, Kojiro will just take his spot.
 
Zaratthustra said:
Since my past posts were kinda overlooked I'll post them again. Chinamen on the go.

Zhong Yue - for additional info look at his profile but below is the skillz/creativity and his legendary analytical prediction.

Only after starting his journey as a cultivator, he manage to only learn the essence of a skill (just by it being presented before it once) but also combine it with another art he known.

The main way to use powers in verse is through Visualization which is basically using your mind to visualize the "runes" which form all the things be it a simple cloth, an element, a sword skill, an animal, etc. This thing has 3 stages of mastery: Thinking of what one wants to visualize; Subconscious visualization which is just like how it's a natural thing for humans to eat, drink and sleep; Unconscious visualization which it's done without any thoughts like how humans breathe. He has reached the third stage in just ten-days and can do it for 24 of hours even while being asleep. This is something that even genius cultivators take decades if at all. He can fight against someone who also has reached the state of instinctive reaction and who is on the same status of mastery as him. Later he fought with multiple people like this who were higher in realm than him and he not only was beating them but also training/cultivating at the same time.

Can unleash all the strength of his psyche, soul and body in perfect coordination, and because of that while people will only use 100% of their prowess he can use 140%.

Can using strings of a zither to cast sword skills which would confuse most sword users as it makes them think of unlimited variations of the zither string which can be controlled as if they are his arms.

He's a master of a multitude of weapons like swords, hooks, whips, hammers, sabers and shields using them at the same time but he favors two sabers for which he created multiple techniques. Even the hair on his body can be used a weapon to attack or defend.

Learned the Sixty Four Sword Styles - sword silks which follow an arithmetic progression; the 1st sword style required the manipulation of one sword silk, two sword silks for the 2nd style, and so on. Art that focuses on finesse and subtlety, emphasizing its various permutations and transformations. It requires an extraordinary ability for calculation and control; without such endowments, it would be useless despite how much one practices. Basically one would need to coordinate, calculate and control for each style from 1 to 64 of sword silks and if all were to be executed together it would be 2080 sword silks.

He can control autonomic his muscles to seal their wound/bleeding and has absolute control over his movements having no waste of energy/stamina.

Managed to deduce from just one or two sentences of someone nearly every information about herself, her father and her master.

Can fight with multiple martial art masters at the same time who uses everything about them - muscles, bones, hair and even sweet as a weapon. Always being circled by 4 to 5 masters and every time one or more fell others will take their place. In this fight, he uses multiple ways to deal with them showing his versatility and creativeness (normal attacks, soul attacks, sound bases one, elemental ones, flute/bell/sword/zither skills, hair, etc) plus getting better at the fight as it continued as his mastery increased. Then he fought with 23 of them at the same time.

Reached a level of seeing and using simple moves as the most complex things for simplicity is the ultimate manifestation of complexity. The first time he realized this Zhong decided that all his skills are too flawed and childish so he remade them while watching a fight between two combatants.

Zhong Yue can break skills through sheer technique by striking the center of balance and core of them.

Had fought with 2 Martial Heavenly Masters at the same time who each were 3 realms above him with just his technique. Must be noted that just an increase in realm is a big thing and if we use the tier/speed of the wiki then he was High 7-A with SoL reactions vs 4-B with MFTL+ reaction.

Learned an art just by watching snowflakes (a storm) where a large part of these snowflakes were each an individual and unique skill while someone who was known as the next heir of the Bai clan took half a month while under the guidance of an elder.

While most people will learn skills/arts from others be their teachers, parents, elders, sects, etc...all he knows is thanks to his own deduction of creating or copying them. He once created his own melee fighting style that changes between Yin and Yang, Demon and God, etc so that the energy released by his attacks will confuse the enemy and to break their own attacks.

Zhong Yue reached such a level that no mistake can be made before him otherwise his opponent will die and just him standing thanks to his stance will make others fear to attack for there is no flaw no matter which direction they will try to attack from. Not even when he unlocked the bloodline of 8000 Fuxi Warriors and with their new prowess, the best of them still couldn't defeat him as Zhong stood and showed no flaw in his stance. The bloodline of the Fuxi, for example, will make that everything about you, your techniques, secrets arts, bloodline, and concepts of the world will be reflected in their Fuxi scales and still it did nothing to help him combat Zhong Yue.

He also created techniques while in a fight and mastered/perfected them at the same time.

Zhong Yue knows so many skills/techniques and can use them separately with his second body to not show any duplication while fighting against himself in a tournament where an entire continent has come to watch and no one could say if they were the same person.

Created his Yin Yang Style which evolves as he does along the way and uses it to redirect attacks of others.

Zhong Yue's has so much knowledge on various skills/techniques that he imparted to multiple students and it will take all of them 10 - 20 years to learn it. He was around 26 years old here and could still create all these arts for them. Most of the techniques he has on the profile are created by him - and he has 50 of them (the profile still lacks his final key so there will be several more in the future) - one of these on the his current last key has him creating the Innate Eight Triagrams that explain the wonders of the Universe through its changes making him able to control its aspects which helped him comprehend later Daoless Heaven which existed before Dao themselves.

Later he created a technique which separates everything in Yin and Yang, positive and negative to calculate and compute the form, mass, orbital course, environmental situations of stars and planets of an entire solar system which not only computes/simulate the three dimensions but the fourth also (time). Then he uses it to calculate an art that took would normally take ten of thousands of years to learn in just three days as he simulates countless transformation of the art every second and compute billions of symbols/runes of it - each rune can be an art or more will form one. He also created a technique that will make even others who can predict things not be able in his free time as a side thing.

To defeat him, you need to have better deductive ability than him even if he thought someone else his skills. Even someone who can calculate and compute even the Karma itself can't defeat him for he will not only counter it but also find them through his computation.

He can predict what an opponent will do next by calculating the flow of their blood essences, the shortcomings of their skills, the positions of their Yuan Shen, the weaknesses of their mortal body, their movements, habits and their next points of attack as if he had gone through the same predicament thousands of times that he knew exactly what to do and where to move in order to evade the skills. Furthermore, he can predict through their personalities, thoughts, and even their instincts from dozens of foes at the same time and calculate the changes and results of hundreds of millions of skills at once.

In a 1 vs 1 - another genius who was taught by Gods with millions of years of combat experience he still defeated him by predicting everything he will ever do (its a long scene this one so better read it than me explaining it fully here). Later, even the most powerful body in the Cosmos who can passively grasp anything (including Dao - concepts) and evolve could still not keep with his computations.

Can create millions of incarnations within his mind to simulate all kind of battles, techniques, skills. He needs to be able to control all of them, each with different thoughts. Shortly, he can have millions of separates thoughts at the same time to simulate so much.

Not yet on the profile but for his next key to show how creative he is:

He created a way to become an Innate God (basically becoming a Dao/Concept itself) which lets him use all the Spirit Body (all bloodline/spirits) in the Cosmos and at the same time learned all the techniques that have yet to be created for a few millions of years.

He then decided to comprehend the Reincarnation Dao and created a technique to jump outside of it which encompasses all the Dao of the verse. He also created multiple use of it: The Reincarnation Dao is not only the reincarnation of the Soul but its also the reincarnation of the Time-Space and Dao. While it can't repair the damage done to the Dao it can reincarnate the Dao into it's previous or next state like reincarnating someone endlessly till to be a child, a man, a woman, young or old, dead or alive, a human, a beast, etc till to a point where he wishes and so it can chose what kind of being and innate powers he/she will have. It can also be used as a means to reincarnate endlessly making all Daos ineffective against the user even if the one used will return all things to Chaos. Also, it can be used to put attacks in an endless cycle of reincarnation so it won't affect him even if they are already reached him.

I think he can contend for the second or first place --Attack on The Chinaman: The Other Chinaman.


So, Xu Jingming is live - another IET's protagonist for my fellow IET chad enjoyers. Who is IET for not-knowers? He's also the author of Ji Ning's novel.
Enjoy the chinaman]
  • He is known as best genius of the new Earth Cosmic Civilization, being the first after the introduction of the Evolutionary Method to become a Perfected Planetary Lifeform and later a Cosmic Lifeform. Not only is he a master of multiple martial arts (be them hand-to-hand or weapon oriented) but he create his own styles and even a multi-dimensional spearmanship system. Xu Jingming combines traditional martial arts with modern physics which he studied in University and even after to help him reach higher peaks. Has the best knowledge about biology and physics from all professional gladiators on Earth. An evolutionary lifeform will have an increased computational ability as they evolve thanks to their brain developing further.
  • Studied the Eight Extremities Sect Martial Art; Xu Jingming bases his martial arts on the combination of the traditional fighting style with the principles of physics[9]
  • Skilled in use of spear and double shields. Is also very proficient in throwing his spear[10] with great precision; Created his own spearmanship - Life-Nourishing Spear Technique[11] which is extremely gentle but will accumulate might and erupt at any time; Can borrow the rebound force[12] of projectiles to lash out more effectively and not stop his momentum
  • He's able to move in his armor with a spear and two shields without making a sound[5]- just his armor/spear weights over 3 tons. The spear is 1.2 tons so the shields should weight even more.
  • Has reached a level in combat that he fight on an instinctual level[13] and fight without thinking.
  • Can analyze his opponents[13] in a fight to find their flaws and defeat them with ease.
  • Before the Evolution Method was even introduced, he was recognized as one of the top ten professional gladiators in history.
  • Xu Jingming studied physics in university and dissected traditional martial arts techniques to study them from a physical point of view as he believes all forms of force are in line with science.
  • Has fought with 100 bandits without a problem while doing it without thinking thanks to reaching the level of reacting on instinct.
  • Created from 18 major classes and 73 minor classes of spear techniques systems a multi-dimensional spearmanship system.
  • Can catch an arrow mid flight and throw it back with more speed and accuracy than the sharpshooter and can throw reinforced concrete blocks at a speed of 2000 m/s at a moving target.
  • XU Jingming can dodge bullets by sensing the air fluctuations and even stab them with his spear.
  • Even when surrounded by assassin in an area of 20 by 20 meters, he has no problem to fight them thanks to his mastery of dual shields which can not only be used for defense but also offense.
  • Can control the opponent movements and momentum in a fight by striking carefully with his spear in a way that it gives him no way to retreat or leave his spear range.
  • Had no problem to borrow the rebound force of projectiles that were targeting him at mach 10, and lash out to strike others without stopping his momentum.
  • Thanks to practicing the Evolutionary Method, his brain is more than 100 times stronger than that of an ordinary human which helps him to outline a three-dimensional map of an entire city in his mind.
  • Just by seeing the ultimate move of an opponent he deduced that his foe knows at least 10 staff techniques and 19 ultimate moves.
  • Grasped Tejano's first move of his ultimate technique by deflecting its attacks with the Spatial Domain Style and at the same time comprehending its following moves as by understanding one thing the rest will follow too.
  • Understand the true core of the Water-Style art making him able to be like water - with no fixed forms making him able to go with the flow of his foe and find their weak spots in a fight which also made him be able to counter and divert even a faster/stronger fighter than him.
  • Is recognized as a transcendent genius for his talent let him be known as a very rare being born only once in hundreds out of hundreds or thousands of planets.
  • Managed to defeat the someone whose speed, power, agility and experience were above him.

I would say he's around the 7th place or maybe 6th.
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As I already said Zhong Yue should be above Ji and Kouki so he should be first place, while again after the previous debate personally I see Kouki a bit above Ji or more or less equal so either they share place, change spots or retain the current positions. As a note after read Arifureta Zero (along with read the rest of the main story ln and special chapters) there were various skill feats that I didn't knew in the previous debate which add more to skill level of the verse and the skill scaling chain, so this is another reason aside of the previous debate of why I think they are either comparable or Kouki is a bit above.

And don't know about Xu, there are some good feats while others aren't that impressive (in my opinion at least) so I can see him taking a spot like 7th or 6th.
 
The doctor(DW) is skilled but not skilled enough to be on this list.

he's the kind of character who's more into self-defense than someone who tries to work things out complex sword-and-punch style in a Battle of pure skill.
 
He has 5D cosmic awareness via perceiving the multiverse (including the time vortex), Analytical prediction greater than a Dalek who could process 1000 billion calculations per second and enhanced senses that could smell paradoxes.
 
Greatsage13th said:
He has 5D cosmic awareness via perceiving the multiverse (including the time vortex), Analytical prediction greater than a Dalek who could process 1000 billion calculations per second and enhanced senses that could smell paradoxes.
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That sounds like a whole lot of hax.
 
Greatsage13th said:
He has 5D cosmic awareness via perceiving the multiverse (including the time vortex), Analytical prediction greater than a Dalek who could process 1000 billion calculations per second and enhanced senses that could smell paradoxes.
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that's hax, of course he can calculate things better than a Dalek but that's because his brain is quantumly enhanced to better adapt to the prediction
 
Like, just as Buddha has Soul Sensing that lets him precog, having 5D cosmic awareness is just hax as well.

And 1000 billion is not a number.
 
I'm kinda surprised Dragon Ball doesn't have any honourable mentions. Ignoring the main cast, we have the Grand Priest, whose skills at martial arts far exceeds characters like Whis, who has been practicing for hundreds of millions of years.

Whis in turn surpasses the likes of Goku, who can copy martial arts and ki techniques after one glance, come up with an effective strategem against the time-skip after hearing about it in passing, etc.

Might not get them in the top ten, but the Angels are pretty notable.
 
azontr said:
Just gonna say what everyone else has said.

Experience=/=skill.
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I know that, but characters like Whis are far in excess of people like Goku, who can master techniques after a glance, counteract techniques he's only just learned about, fight people astronomically superior to himself via skill, etc.
 
also taskmaster has a memory problem. Whenever he copies something he forgets memory so his copy has major drawbacks
 
Greatsage13th said:
Are you sure fighting someone who has precognition while he doesn't have precognition isn't considered skill
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I suppose that's pretty skillfull if he jas showings or statements of using it in combat. That said, one or two feats isn't enough to get on the list, especially when they're pretty nebulous in where they compare to others.
 
Can anyone link me their characters feats again? I will restructure the list with characters with feats in the upper echelon and those without in the lower echelon.

Afterwards we can talk about the precise ranking between those with feats posted
 
Also in case I forgot to add it for 100 y/o Ji Ning (forgot a lot in that post), he can suppress himself to the point of skill stomping people who oneshot people who oneshot him. A random fodder he did this against only got the absolute slightest glimpse at his sword arts and by studying that glimpse, got to the level Ning was in his first key. Though, I dunno if the last one is a testament to Ning's skill or just says something about how skilled people are in Desolate Era, so it can be ignored if it doesn't make sense.
 
Planck69 said:
I suppose that's pretty skillfull if he jas showings or statements of using it in combat. That said, one or two feats isn't enough to get on the list, especially when they're pretty nebulous in where they compare to others.
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Alrighty
 
Greatsage13th said:
He has 5D cosmic awareness via perceiving the multiverse (including the time vortex), Analytical prediction greater than a Dalek who could process 1000 billion calculations per second and enhanced senses that could smell paradoxes.
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Analytical prediction that goes way beyond the practical amount of moves someone can use during the timeframe of the fight is redundant.
 
I would like to rephrase my stance on this a little bit.

Analytical prediction that goes beyond just knowing a persons every move ends up just being the same as everything.

Everything = millions = billions = countless = infinite
 
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