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I know, it's just that Raiden at that age was already a killer. Can we drop this now?
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Yeah like, that was when Zoro was a literal child(He still skillstomped like literally everyone else he ever fought tho)
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I mean, are you not arguing for Raiden's spot on the list? Why would we drop it?
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I already said it's fine, and explained exactly my reasoning for raising it, literally that if Zoro was solid in that position raising it wouldn't hurt. When I said drop it, I said it's fine. If Zoro deserves that position, I'm not going to argue it. It's just that some else said he didn't deserve it but didn't raise an alternative. If he's solid, then that's fine. I stopped suggesting it the moment a staff member said Zoro was the same as Raiden.
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Okay, that's good. I don't know why I got defensive so quickly there, sorry. That usually only happens when I'm stressed by IRL stuff. Apologies for the defensiveness.
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Done is better than perfect :^)
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The daughter of a master swordsman who beat other master swordsmen??? Prior to when he became "Pirate Hunter Zoro"? Before he even created Santoryu?
They're a goofball
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Ong. Imagine being double digits smh.
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Hmm...does Wukong fit anywhere in the list?
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Who's wukong? A skilless guy?
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He might be a Sun wukong, but he is The Sun Wukong, the original, you might say.
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Does JttW Wuking even have notable skill feats? And no, "fought X whose been alive for Y years" and "fought a war deity" aren't really quantifiable skill feats on their own just in case this is brought up.
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Just realised there is no RoR Kojiro on the list which seems like a crime. Definitely better than Zoro. Might have to make a post for him after work if no one else does it first.
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He Can hear up to Heaven and into the Underworld. With his eyes he can see if something is true or false, good or evil, wealthy or poor. He also states he is capable of seeing the entire World, can see things like a dragonfly's wings precisely even if they are a thousand miles away. Capable of seeing through transformations and illusions along with shapeshifters. It is hinted that his martial prowess is comparable to his magic ability in importance. He's fought thousands of trained Gods and Divine/Heavenly Warriors that are millions of years old. He even fought on par with a clone of himself, which was a Six-Eared Macaque. Its stated they have precognition, and without even moving knew every event within thousands of miles of themselves instantly.
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Oh fax. Hol up lemme make a post for Kojiro fr fr.
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Precognition of both past and future for clarification.
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Sounds like stuff that wouldn't even get him past Archaon. At all.
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I know it won't but just for good measure. His cudgel could turn into tens of thousands to counter millions of projectiles and could create billions of duplicates of himself.
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We don't give a **** about who beats who outside of pure, unadulterated skill and strategy.
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Prisoner Metaphysics automatically makes the person use the most effective skill and strategy to win.
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Not sure how that has to do with anything. Prisoners physiology iirc is just them using the best option they have, not somehow doing the most ridiculous skill feat ever. We are talking about skill feats here.
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Alright. This is going to be in chronological order.
TL;DR... Sasaki ******* obliterates Zoro.
When Sasaki was alive, he had never won a single match in his entire life. At his dojo, he was one of the weakest students and was outclassed to the point that even if he fought one of his fellow students 100 times over he would not prevail.
Sasaki trained for half a month, and utterly surpassed the man who outclassed him to the point Sasaki gave the man visions of Sasaki cutting him in half. Sasaki achieved this both through muscle training, but also through using his incredible analytical abilities to fight the man 146 times over that half year.
After this, Kojiro would leave his dojo for many years to come and would train against all of the people in his dojo in in his mind for 4 years and 9 months, eventually even eclipsing his old master in strength, who before Kojiro left the dojo, previously appeared so strong to Kojiro that he was akin to a tiger.
After this, Kojiro went on a long journey of fighting and losing against opponents. He would face people that utterly eclipsed him in power and skill, and would proceed to train against all of these opponents in his mind until he had become strong enough to win against them. In Record of Ragnarok lore, Kojiro continued to lose until he had reached the absolute pinnacle of human swordsmanship until he died in his fight against Musashi
It is stated that after he died, Kojiro continued to train his skills in heaven for over 400 years. Along with this, the contestants of Ragnarok on the human side are all summoned in their peak/their youth where they were at their most strongest, but, due to his everlasting training even after death, Kojiro's old, decrepit body was considered to be his "golden age".
Now we will get to the actual fight between him and Poseidon.
As soon as his fight with Poseidon began, the man was able to immediately predict 18 exact ways Poseidon could end his life even though neither of them had even made a single move in the battle, a feat for his analytical abilities.
In the exact same fight, Kojiro's secret technique, the Tsubame Gaeshi, allowed him to counter Poseidon, someone he had already imagined stomping him over 18 times before the God of the Sea had even made a single move, and he was even able to make Poseidon look him in the eye, a God notorious for his ruthlessness, but also his under-evaluation of the human race.
Once the fight finally took off, Kojiro was capable of dodging attacks that were much faster than him, due to the fact he had already experienced said attacks in his mind, as as soon as the fight had started, Sasaki formed a perfect image of Poseidon in his head, and faced off against the image countless times, allowing him to know all of Poseidon's possible attack patterns, and thus allowing him to avoid them even though they were much faster than he was. This technique is referred to as the "thousand-image defense".
But, regardless of this, this was only an inkling of Poseidon's true power, and the god eventually began to speed blitz Kojiro after getting partially serious, even though he was already much faster than Kojiro. But even with this, Kojiro's sword, which was stated to have stepped into the surpassed humanity and stepped into the realm of the gods, held up against Poseidon's onslaught via Kojiro predicting Poseidon's moves constantly throughout the exchange, allowing him to evolve in response to Poseidon's attack.
But even with this, Poseidon was still able to out-skill Kojiro and saw through the man's constant predictions, and even with this, Kojiro continued to persevere through the onslaught, continuously evolving to suit the situation and the attacks coming towards him in order to avoid death.
Obviously, Poseidon stomped him and broke his Volund. It comes back through a Re-Volund so don't worry.
So, as usual, Poseidon attacked and Kojiro countered it. But, what is unique about this, is that he was able to perfectly copy the movements of his old opponents, every last one, after countless upon countless repetitions of his fights with them in his mind during his 400-year training after his death.
And eventually...
He even began to wound Poseidon, multiple times even despite the God of the Sea previously absolutely decimating him! Sasaki's technique was so strong even, that by the time the exchange ended, Poseidon was utterly littered with wounds.
BUT OBVIOUSLY, Poseidon started stomping him again, moving so fast that even with his thousand-image defense, Kojiro literally could not react in time to counter. Poseidon proceeded to make it EVEN WORSE by covering the man in a dome of attacks that were also exceptionally faster than his reaction speed, coming from all directions.
Kojiro was able to just barely react, but, obviously, because Poseidon's dick is bigger than the Pacific Ocean, he was still rocking Kojiro's shit to the point Kojiro felt as though Poseidon's strength was akin to an endless abyss. That is how utterly outclassed Kojiro was in this fight.
But...
Sasaki was only getting started. As shown in the scan, he continued to counter Poseidon's attacks despite their speed and power, and it was even stated that all of these stomp-worthy attacks only served to make the man even stronger. That is how busted Sasaki Kojiro's analytics are.
He'd finally reached the Sea God in strength.
And with that, Sasaki's awareness rapidly evolved.. He began to scan even deeper, to the vibrations in the air, to the trembles of the Earth, to the point that he was stated to have begun to scan all of creation at once, and finally stole the techniques of Poseidon.
After so long of getting stomped, Kojiro began to seamlessly pass through Poseidon's attacks with newfound skill, putting on display the insane evolution of this ******. Kojiro's skill had evolved so god damn much, that he invented an entire new technique that ******* cut Poseidon's arm off, and he even did it AGAIN.
And finally, he killed Poseidon with his final Swallow-Tiger combo.
Sasaki trained for half a month, and utterly surpassed the man who outclassed him to the point Sasaki gave the man visions of Sasaki cutting him in half. Sasaki achieved this both through muscle training, but also through using his incredible analytical abilities to fight the man 146 times over that half year.
After this, Kojiro would leave his dojo for many years to come and would train against all of the people in his dojo in in his mind for 4 years and 9 months, eventually even eclipsing his old master in strength, who before Kojiro left the dojo, previously appeared so strong to Kojiro that he was akin to a tiger.
After this, Kojiro went on a long journey of fighting and losing against opponents. He would face people that utterly eclipsed him in power and skill, and would proceed to train against all of these opponents in his mind until he had become strong enough to win against them. In Record of Ragnarok lore, Kojiro continued to lose until he had reached the absolute pinnacle of human swordsmanship until he died in his fight against Musashi
It is stated that after he died, Kojiro continued to train his skills in heaven for over 400 years. Along with this, the contestants of Ragnarok on the human side are all summoned in their peak/their youth where they were at their most strongest, but, due to his everlasting training even after death, Kojiro's old, decrepit body was considered to be his "golden age".
Now we will get to the actual fight between him and Poseidon.
As soon as his fight with Poseidon began, the man was able to immediately predict 18 exact ways Poseidon could end his life even though neither of them had even made a single move in the battle, a feat for his analytical abilities.
In the exact same fight, Kojiro's secret technique, the Tsubame Gaeshi, allowed him to counter Poseidon, someone he had already imagined stomping him over 18 times before the God of the Sea had even made a single move, and he was even able to make Poseidon look him in the eye, a God notorious for his ruthlessness, but also his under-evaluation of the human race.
Once the fight finally took off, Kojiro was capable of dodging attacks that were much faster than him, due to the fact he had already experienced said attacks in his mind, as as soon as the fight had started, Sasaki formed a perfect image of Poseidon in his head, and faced off against the image countless times, allowing him to know all of Poseidon's possible attack patterns, and thus allowing him to avoid them even though they were much faster than he was. This technique is referred to as the "thousand-image defense".
But, regardless of this, this was only an inkling of Poseidon's true power, and the god eventually began to speed blitz Kojiro after getting partially serious, even though he was already much faster than Kojiro. But even with this, Kojiro's sword, which was stated to have stepped into the surpassed humanity and stepped into the realm of the gods, held up against Poseidon's onslaught via Kojiro predicting Poseidon's moves constantly throughout the exchange, allowing him to evolve in response to Poseidon's attack.
But even with this, Poseidon was still able to out-skill Kojiro and saw through the man's constant predictions, and even with this, Kojiro continued to persevere through the onslaught, continuously evolving to suit the situation and the attacks coming towards him in order to avoid death.
Obviously, Poseidon stomped him and broke his Volund. It comes back through a Re-Volund so don't worry.
So, as usual, Poseidon attacked and Kojiro countered it. But, what is unique about this, is that he was able to perfectly copy the movements of his old opponents, every last one, after countless upon countless repetitions of his fights with them in his mind during his 400-year training after his death.
And eventually...
He even began to wound Poseidon, multiple times even despite the God of the Sea previously absolutely decimating him! Sasaki's technique was so strong even, that by the time the exchange ended, Poseidon was utterly littered with wounds.
BUT OBVIOUSLY, Poseidon started stomping him again, moving so fast that even with his thousand-image defense, Kojiro literally could not react in time to counter. Poseidon proceeded to make it EVEN WORSE by covering the man in a dome of attacks that were also exceptionally faster than his reaction speed, coming from all directions.
Kojiro was able to just barely react, but, obviously, because Poseidon's dick is bigger than the Pacific Ocean, he was still rocking Kojiro's shit to the point Kojiro felt as though Poseidon's strength was akin to an endless abyss. That is how utterly outclassed Kojiro was in this fight.
But...
Sasaki was only getting started. As shown in the scan, he continued to counter Poseidon's attacks despite their speed and power, and it was even stated that all of these stomp-worthy attacks only served to make the man even stronger. That is how busted Sasaki Kojiro's analytics are.
He'd finally reached the Sea God in strength.
And with that, Sasaki's awareness rapidly evolved.. He began to scan even deeper, to the vibrations in the air, to the trembles of the Earth, to the point that he was stated to have begun to scan all of creation at once, and finally stole the techniques of Poseidon.
After so long of getting stomped, Kojiro began to seamlessly pass through Poseidon's attacks with newfound skill, putting on display the insane evolution of this ******. Kojiro's skill had evolved so god damn much, that he invented an entire new technique that ******* cut Poseidon's arm off, and he even did it AGAIN.
And finally, he killed Poseidon with his final Swallow-Tiger combo.
TL;DR... Sasaki ******* obliterates Zoro.
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If the best option is to do something in the most skillful way possible, then what?
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COPE. SEETH. MALD.
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To expand on when Kojiro’s old master came to his house while blind, simply being in the same room as where Kojiro had replicated the best techniques of numerous masters he had fought caused the man to get visions of the techniques from a bunch of slash marks on the wall.
Then we have every master swordsman he encountered being better than him at that point in time, which would include all the previous masters who Kojiro had learnt to beat in his mind as well as all of their techniques that got copied, with just their own form of combat. Just seeing the best move of the current master he was challenging was enough to put Kojiro on his ass meaning it’s a whole chain of skill stomps too before we get to Poseidon being able to one shot that level of skill, slap on Thousand Image Defense and all of the scaling azontr listed above too.
Then we have every master swordsman he encountered being better than him at that point in time, which would include all the previous masters who Kojiro had learnt to beat in his mind as well as all of their techniques that got copied, with just their own form of combat. Just seeing the best move of the current master he was challenging was enough to put Kojiro on his ass meaning it’s a whole chain of skill stomps too before we get to Poseidon being able to one shot that level of skill, slap on Thousand Image Defense and all of the scaling azontr listed above too.
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I think there’s a lot of impractical flowery language when writers are trying to explain the level of skill their character has.
A prime example being taskmaster. What was it again? Low 1-C analytical prediction or power mimicry? That’s meaningless, it’s like saying someone’s precog is better because it’s the color blue.
Also there isn’t any real practical difference between of having an infinite/countless number of analytical predictions verses just knowing everything your opponent will throw at you.
It’s like a character saying someone has an infinite number of combos but all we see him throw is a jab-cross-kick combo. In that context the statement doesn’t mean anything.
A prime example being taskmaster. What was it again? Low 1-C analytical prediction or power mimicry? That’s meaningless, it’s like saying someone’s precog is better because it’s the color blue.
Also there isn’t any real practical difference between of having an infinite/countless number of analytical predictions verses just knowing everything your opponent will throw at you.
It’s like a character saying someone has an infinite number of combos but all we see him throw is a jab-cross-kick combo. In that context the statement doesn’t mean anything.
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The Low 1-C stuff was for Archaon, not task master.
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I might be misunderstanding but from what I’m getting from this, Imma have to disagree. You can know everything your opp is capable of but being able to actually predict what he is going to do next is vastly more impressive as it actually let’s you counter their following move. Predicting their next thousand moves perfectly obviously being even more impressive. This is also dependent on how they predict said move, example being A predicts B’s next move because of B’s stance vs X predicting Y’s next move just by seeing how Y breathes.
