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I'm fine with that if everyone else is.
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Removing Resistance to Absolute Zero [Bleach]
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if said techinic granted different abilities to the users sure
but thats not the case here blut is just putting reishi on your blood vessels to make ur body more durable
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This technique is a racial technique that they all use to amp their defenses. They also have an offensive version. It’s been shown to work against extreme temperatures before.
It’s currently accepted as this technique also granting Absolute Zero resistance. But since it’s a “cool” ability it’s been agreed that it scales to only the most powerful or comparable combatants because it’s likely similar.
I don’t see how it’s more reasonable in any way whatsoever to suggest this character is the only one with this resistance when he has no special trait for it. Right now we’re suggesting even their King doesn’t have this resistance and he’s the one that adjusts their Blut Vene to be that strong.
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Not fine with this whatsoever. Going against his own argument so it doesn’t sound that ridiculous. Yhwach gets it because he’s shown to be strong is what I’m getting here?
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Bear in mind this is all based on assumptions at its core.
Assuming that As Nodt had to be using Blut Vene for that feat.
Assuming that pure strength is what dictates somebody's Blut Vene being able to resist Absolute Zero.
Assuming that therefore these other characters who have no direct comparison to the likes of As Nodt such as Askin must have Blut Vene that is also capable of resisting Absolute Zero.
I fully get Resistance Scaling when it has a solid foundation, but this is not solid and is not given to us as an explanation from the series.
Assuming that As Nodt had to be using Blut Vene for that feat.
Assuming that pure strength is what dictates somebody's Blut Vene being able to resist Absolute Zero.
Assuming that therefore these other characters who have no direct comparison to the likes of As Nodt such as Askin must have Blut Vene that is also capable of resisting Absolute Zero.
I fully get Resistance Scaling when it has a solid foundation, but this is not solid and is not given to us as an explanation from the series.
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He has no other means of resisting AZ though, and as I've said lots of times, Blut Vene has already demonstrated resistance to extreme temperatures.
Blut Vene is kinda just as simple as putting Reishi into your blood vessels as far as we know, it's a pretty simple thing.
As Nodt isn't special in any way though, no emphasis has ever been put on his apparently insane Blut Vene capabilities.
Guess this CRT is far from done....
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Resistance to Extreme Heat doesn't mean we assume Resistance to Extreme Cold is automatically applicable.
Why doesn't every single Quincy have Resistance to Absolute Zero then? Why only As Nodt and a select few characters?
Ichigo isn't given any special reason for his Resistances to Sealing, Paralysis Inducement, Space-Time Manipulation and Gravity Manipulation but I still don't think we should assign those resistances to characters comparable to him.
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As Nodt is one of the only ones we know uses Blut frequently. So what the hell is that 1st point? The only other option is the one you suggested earlier which is fear. When he only mentioned fear because of what Rukia said to him.
seeing as Yhwach is the one that gives Blut its strength are you suggesting he’s given As Nodt the strongest Blut exclusively? It’s literally just moving Reishi through your veins.
What do you mean no direct comparison? Virtually everyone scaling is his superior.
Except again you clearly have your own version of scaling which isn’t how the wiki scales abilities. You don’t scale explicitly based off absolute feats. Do you not realize how unrealistic your method is? You wish to scale things that are only absolute and impossible to say otherwise.
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seeing as Yhwach is the one that gives Blut its strength are you suggesting he’s given As Nodt the strongest Blut exclusively? It’s literally just moving Reishi through your veins.
What do you mean no direct comparison? Virtually everyone scaling is his superior.
Except again you clearly have your own version of scaling which isn’t how the wiki scales abilities. You don’t scale explicitly based off absolute feats. Do you not realize how unrealistic your method is? You wish to scale things that are only absolute and impossible to say otherwise.
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What does Ichigo’s random resistances have to do with a racial defensive ability? Your argument is more akin to 99% of Shinigami shouldn’t have SC because we’ve never seen them exert pressure on another soul. Even though it’s a racial trait.
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I just wanna catch up.
What's the basis on him using Blut again?
What's the basis on him using Blut again?
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Basically
- He has no other means of resisting AZ, Blut is really the only logical explanation
- Blut has been stated and shown to resist extreme temperatures before, to say it could resist AZ as well isn't a stretch by any means.
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2 is valid to an extent.
1 seems extremely ehh. Some people in certain verses just have random resistances.
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1. He’s been shown to use it every other time.
2. all Quincy use it since it’s how they amp their attacks or defense.
3. Shown to work against extreme temperatures.
4. has no other characteristics that would allow him to tank this.
2. all Quincy use it since it’s how they amp their attacks or defense.
3. Shown to work against extreme temperatures.
4. has no other characteristics that would allow him to tank this.
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True, but when you combine 1 and 2, it leans more towards Blut Vene being the reason as oppose to a completely random unexplained specific resistance.
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The only way he’d resist is with Blut Vene.
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That's just not true.
Characters don't always have reasonable explanations behind why they can resist certain abilities. They just do sometimes.
It is not impossible that As Nodt simply broke free through pure strength/willpower/fear/whatever you want. The only fact that we have for certain is that he did resist it.
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Nobody is saying it's impossible, but what is more likely
- He used the ability we already know resists things like extreme temperatures
- He was so terrified of Yhwach that he somehow broke out of AZ with no explanation whatsoever as to how this is possible
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And I follow up with he’s shown using Offensive Blut and Defensive Blut every other time?
Did you forget he literally died to same absolute zero when Rukia used it again? Did all of sudden his willpower go down according to you? Or maybe he switched bluts and got wrecked?
Did you forget he literally died to same absolute zero when Rukia used it again? Did all of sudden his willpower go down according to you? Or maybe he switched bluts and got wrecked?
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Don't assume that I am treating this as a certainty. As I said earlier, this is the closest thing to an explanation we're given in the moment.
I don't like stacking assumptions on top of each other to spread this resistance around to unrelated characters. If you want to assume that As Nodt resisted it purely through an unconfirmed application of Blut Vene, then that's fair enough. But I still think it needs to be removed from the other characters.
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All Quincy are terrified of Yhwach because he dislikes failure this is stated. You literally see this his 1st introduction when he blew holes in a couple Quincy.
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At this point, I think there's enough evidence to say every Quincy should have it at least listed with a possibly on their profile.
There's more evidence supporting As Nodt using Blut Vene than there is for him having a random mysterious resistance that was never explained and disappeared the next chapter when As Nodt was actually killed by AZ.
There's more evidence supporting As Nodt using Blut Vene than there is for him having a random mysterious resistance that was never explained and disappeared the next chapter when As Nodt was actually killed by AZ.
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The fact he was killed by AZ literally negates everything but Blut.
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Yeah no
See I'm perfectly fine w/ him getting it.
Now every quincy's blut getting it? Idk
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It’s not every Quincy Blut...
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Can I ask why?
As explained earlier, As Nodt isn't unique, there's never been any emphasis on his ability to use Blut Vene proficiently.
Also, when I say every Quincy, I mean pure Quincy really, since they naturally have the ability without training.
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That's terrible reasoning. That's the same basis that can be used to argue every characters gets every resistance. "This character is a low-tier nobody, so all these high-tier characters should get the same resistance."
It doesn't matter whether As Nodt is a generic Sternritter or super special; unless it is confirmed that the Resistance is shared among all Quincy, then not all Quincy should get it.
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It's a resistance of Blut Vene, not a resistance of As Nodt, I think that's what you're confusing.
Blut is just pouring Reishi into your blood vessels, any Sternritter can do this, explain why As Nodt is a special case and gets a special resistance for doing the same thing every other Sternritter can do?
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Again As Nodt died to absolute zero. Stop saying it’s a resistance of As Nodt his death completely debunks this notion.
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That is unconfirmed.
Because there's no evidence that all Blut users can do this.
Resistance is not immunity.
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Yes, this fact alone shreds apart any argument Damage has made in this thread, the only possible explanation at this point is Blut Vene.
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This is starting to become annoying. He’s ignoring logic and deductive reasoning because it isn’t spelled out.
Who the heck said anything about immunity?
Who the heck said anything about immunity?
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It has far more evidence than any argument you've made thus far.
You didn't actually answer my question, so I'll repeat it
Blut is just pouring Reishi into your blood vessels, any Sternritter can do this, explain why As Nodt is a special case and gets a special resistance for doing the same thing every other Sternritter can do?
Absolute Zero is Absolute Zero, all that matters is the temperature in this instance, they're the same.
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If a single resistance for random characters is raising this much fuss how do you think your god tier crt would go?
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im aware its going have ups and downs.
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Let's not ignore that As Nodt wasn't only killed by the Absolute Zero. He was also killed by being decapitated.
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It sucks but it's true
Threads like these perfectly illustrate the state of Bleach debating here.
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