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we know only mods like u are the only voices that matter and the rest dont, still gonna disagree
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Removing Resistance to Absolute Zero [Bleach]
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Yeh, still disagree due the reasons being counter argumented here by the others dudes
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As Nodt has clearly used Blut Vene before without it being shown, so I don't think the fact that we don't see it is indicative of it not being used.
I'm sure I can find several other examples of Quincy's clearly using Blut Vene but it not being shown by Kubo if it's necessary.
Regardless, my point is that, just because we don't see Blut Vene, doesn't mean we should automatically assume it wasn't used, especially when there is contributing evidence such as Blut Vene already having been stated and shown to grant resistance to heat manipulation, it makes perfect sense for that to be how As Nodt resisted, far more sense than just saying he broke out via being terrified or something.
I'm sure I can find several other examples of Quincy's clearly using Blut Vene but it not being shown by Kubo if it's necessary.
Regardless, my point is that, just because we don't see Blut Vene, doesn't mean we should automatically assume it wasn't used, especially when there is contributing evidence such as Blut Vene already having been stated and shown to grant resistance to heat manipulation, it makes perfect sense for that to be how As Nodt resisted, far more sense than just saying he broke out via being terrified or something.
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it is different there is no double standard, otherwise, Aizen would have the resistance since the one with more reiatsu, but it does not have it.
They were given for Blut Vene which is actually an ability.
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This literally isn’t anything like DBZ whatsoever so this is already wrong. Ki isn’t a technique that gives you general resistances.
How is this like blut?
Blut Vene increases your durability yeah?
So like Damage according to you Blut Vene is only used when Kubo decides to draw a bunch of patterns? Even though they’re always using it?
What does Bleach wiki prove here like at all? Are the novels also non canon since they say so?
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Okay so you’re saying fear of Yhwach grants it? Okay well every Quincy is deathly afraid of Yhwach.
What point are you making here?
I’m sorry is this some sort of DBZ thread?
That’s not how this works and as an admin you should know this instead of arguing “what about my verse”.
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It's not proof, but at the same time it also isn't proof that he is using it in this feat.
It wouldn't matter much. For Haki users in One Piece, even though Haki is depicted as being invisible sometimes, we don't automatically assume a character is using it at all times.
I would say that by default we shouldn't be assuming he is using it. I'm not saying that the only reason he broke out of it was because he was terrified, but that it is the closest thing to an explanation we are given during the feat.
I don't think it matters too much exactly how it was accomplished; the point is that he can do it, and we should leave it as only him doing it instead of assuming it for characters like Uyru and Ichigo.
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For the record DarkDragonMedeus, even though I don't think the DB example and this one are as similar as you seem to think they are, based on what you said, I would agree with AZ scaling to other characters than Vegeta if that was truly the reason for his resistance.
But yeah, it's pointless to bring a supposed double standard up here, it's not relevant at all to the thread.
But yeah, it's pointless to bring a supposed double standard up here, it's not relevant at all to the thread.
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for Uryu i can agree cus i dont remember him being stated or shown to have it
for ichigo same since he cant really call blut at will or anything like that, he has it but cant control it
for ichigo same since he cant really call blut at will or anything like that, he has it but cant control it
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Except again you need to get through your skull it’s Blut Vene.
You’re literally arguing fear of Yhwach is really what allowed him to resist and then you’re somehow saying you aren’t.
You’re literally arguing fear of Yhwach is really what allowed him to resist and then you’re somehow saying you aren’t.
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Wow, brilliantly convincing argument.
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I have several arguments throughout the thread but okay...?
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Nice that you know it
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At this point it literally just comes down to how you want to perceive it, there's evidence (and lack of, I guess) both ways.
Personally, I think it's pretty clear he used Blut Vene given that we already know it grants resistance to heat manipulation, so it's not a reach to say it would give him resistance to Rukia's AZ.
Is it possible to give a possibly for abilities? Since I think there's at least enough evidence for that.
Personally, I think it's pretty clear he used Blut Vene given that we already know it grants resistance to heat manipulation, so it's not a reach to say it would give him resistance to Rukia's AZ.
Is it possible to give a possibly for abilities? Since I think there's at least enough evidence for that.
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It is, but in this case I don't think the evidence is strong enough for likes of Yhwach's guards or Uryu or Ichigo, etc.
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that’s honestly silly Purgy. There’s no need to entertain the idea that being really afraid of Yhwach’s wrath gives you resistance here.
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yes, some profiles have a "possible/likely" for some abilities
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i mean, if what grant as resistance was being afraid of YH dont all the quincys get it then? since they are afraid of YH
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You guys can argue, but cut the attitude. Just give points and move on.
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Yeah funny enough that’s one of the things that makes such an argument stupid. It’s completely illogical as opposed to Blut Vene which As Nodt himself uses frequently.
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Just so I understand, are you fine with heat resistance (Not things like AZ, but rather Yama's heat) being given as a general ability to Blut Vene?
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No. I'm fine with Resistance to High Temperatures being given to Jugram and Yhwach (and Royd technically) because they have the feats for it.
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...Yhwach doesn't have the feats for it though, it was Royd Lloyd and Jugram.
Are you saying Yhwach should have it even though he's never demonstrated the feats? Because that goes against your entire argument here.
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Sorry, forgot that Yhwach was actually being impersonated there, lol.
But wasn't Loyd mentally impersonating Yhwach as well? As in he was acting and thinking exactly like Yhwach would?
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No problem, I still forget sometimes as well.
Regardless, can you honestly say in good faith that the likes of Royd Lloyd can utilize Blut Vene better than Yhwach?
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Wasn't Loyd mentally impersonating Yhwach as well? As in he was acting and thinking exactly like Yhwach would?
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he can copy memories and looks
the brother that fought kenpachi is the one that can copy power
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Royd Lloyd copies appearance, memories and personality, not abilities or power,
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Right. If he was supposed to be thinking as Yhwach would, then I could see an argument being made that "Yhwach in this position would think he had Blut Vene capable of withstanding it." And also Yama himself didn't have any confusion over what appeared to be the Yhwach that he knew being able to survive near his insane heat.
But anyway, my main issue is with the scaling of resistances based on assumed abilities at work here. I could see a "possibly" being given to Yhwach for the above reason (and depending on whether you believe it or not, him absorbing his underlings abilities).
But I don't think the other characters listed in the OP should get it.
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That reasoning is literally terrible.
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For As Nodt, fair enough, but how is the heat resistance assumed when we're explicitly told they're able to withstand it with Blut Vene?
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Not assumed for Royd and Jugram, but it is assumed for other users of Blut Vene. This is where a "possibly" is more reasonably applicable than the As Nodt example.
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I think having the same type of ability to use to resist AZ is enough to scale
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Which part?
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In regards to the heat resistance aspect, I would be fine with; Royd Lloyd, Jugram and Yhwach have it flat out, with any other pure Quincy being a possibly.
As for the AZ, are you not willing to settle on a possibly for anyone? Not even just Yhwach and As Nodt?
I get that this is incredulous, but it's just inconceivable to me that anyone could utilize Blut Vene more effectively than Yhwach, especially when Yhwach himself has demonstrated the greatest proficiency with it.
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If we’re gonna go down this route let’s remove for example every application of The Almighty besides being able to see the future from the SK. Who’s to say he can do any of those things like Yhwach.
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I could understand Yhwach being given a "possibly", even if I disagreed with it being necessary to list on his profile.
And I'm obviously fine with As Nodt having it.
But I disagree on it being applied to everyone else listed in the OP.
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Not making an assumption that characters capable of utilizing a specific technique to automatically scale to another users feat of resisting something without further context.
Granted, I'm mostly going off of this thread.
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Not a horrible idea IMO.
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