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Removal of Game Super Sonic's Reality Warping

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So. Super Sonic is given reality warping via Sonic Generations. Why exactly?

After Sonic beats the Time Eater they immediately go to the present.

There's nothing indicating Sonic is directly responsible.

Now there's 2 more things that supposedly supports RW.

The mission objective: "Defeat the Dark Mysterious Enemy and restore this world."

And This

EDIT:https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/556577874245845002/602057568684343306/image1.jpg https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/556577874245845002/602057569430798337/image0.jpg

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Neither of these support Sonic doing this. Both are taken completely out of context for the sake of giving Sonic RW. Both are taking fixing the time periods as a consequence of beating the Time Eater, the one responsible in the 1st place.

Not only this, Time Eater's abilities have nothing to do with Reality Warping. It's time and space manipulation, He takes periods of time and places them in the white space. The place where they confront Time Eater? It's own personal dimension, not the present which is fine btw considering Sonic and co. were simply taken from it by the time eater, not destrpyed or anything. The Sonics, even if they were directly responsible, wouldn't have been responsible for anything but returning the time periods to their proper times.

And finally the Sonics restoring color to the periods via running, that's not RW either, but Spatial Manipulation.

TL;DR. Sonic is neither shown nor implied to be the one responsible and it's not even Reality Warping. Either another example must be given or it has to be removed from his Super Sonic Key.

EDIT: Even more so, the destruction of the universe is said to be a by product if the Time Eater isn't beaten. As in it's abilities will eventually cause this, but it hasn't happened just yet.
 
Zamasu Chan said:
Can't the emeralds like turn thoughts into power?
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Yes and it's always used as a specific ability, the most famous being resurrecting Sonic. Tails makes it clear they're using the emeralds to fight the Time Eater.

EDIT: As a matter of fact it ultimately translates into Chaos Energy.
 
@Zamasu Exactly. It's been told to us time and time again that the Emeralds are "Thoughts into power. Power enriched by the heart." Now does this immediately mean "oh yeah, all super forms have RW"? No, but it certainly does show tha something like RW isn't anything new or odd.
 
Okay so here's how every current Sonic CRT thread goes: the same people come, occam's razors being thrown around, abandonment of the thread making it last for at least a month, ÔÖ¥ circles, and time wasted. As harsh as it sounds this seems like it's gonna be an outbreak. So I'll sit back and let everyone settle this among themselves.
 
Did somebody say "Call the hostility prevention hotline"?

Jokes aside, I'll call some people over when I'm done working on a CRT for Archie Sonic.
 
Isn't it stated that Classic and Modern can restore time and space with their speed alone? Why is it so farfetched to assume that they couldn't do it in their Super Forms?
 
ChocomilkAlex said:
Isn't it stated that Classic and Modern can restore time and space with their speed alone? Why is it so farfetched to assume that they couldn't do it in their Super Forms?
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restoring Time and Space isn't RW. It's Time and Space Manipulation, limited at that. And I already addressed this in the OP.
 
Zamasu Chan said:
Okay so here's how every current Sonic CRT thread goes: the same people come, occam's razors being thrown around, abandonment of the thread making it last for at least a month, ÔÖ¥ circles, and time wasted. As harsh as it sounds this seems like it's gonna be an outbreak. So I'll sit back and let everyone settle this among themselves.
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I'm starting to see what you mean...
 
I see what you mean, though some things that count as Reality Warping by the standards of the wiki are:Altering time (Super Sonic has the chaos emeralds, he most certainly could alter time since 1 emerald alone can stop and start time, 2 chaos emeralds can be used for time travel); Giving themselves or others new powers (I'm not sure if it necessarily counts, but Super Sonic is technically capable of giving others "new" power (he gives Shadow and Silver their super forms in 06 and does the same in Heroes with Tails and Knuckles [I use quotations because the idea of a super form isn't exactly new, but the powers and amp that come with it are new anilities obtained from going Super]);Another is to wish hard enough to change target decisions (Super Sonic does this to Perfect Chaos by taking away the Negative Energy it absorbed from the chaos emeralds and is shown in the words of Knuckles and Tails, Knuckles says that Chaos "changed again; this time for the better" with Tails following up with "Super Sonic must have neutralized it" so Super Sonic was capable of retrieving the Negative Energy from Chaos [which in no way effected Chaos's decisions] AND changed their decisions [this makes sense because as consistently stated the chaos emeralds turn thoughts into power so it's self explanatory); And a type of Reality Warping according to the wiki is Energy Manipulation [examples being Energy Barriers, Energy Beams, Manip of different types of energy, aura creation and absorption] Sonic is capable of such things in his Super form as he scales to Shadow and both of them have deep understanding of chaos energy [Sonic is potentially more capable seeing as how he could use a fake emerald to induce Chaos Control and the fake emerald is stated by its creator, Tails, to have the same wavelength and properties of a normal Chaos Emerald but is less powerful than one (by how much isn't known, but it was clearly made for deceptive purposes rather than replacement purposes)]. Shadow is capable of shooting energy beams (Chaos Spears), creates energy barriers/auras (Chaos Blast is shown as being an explosive shockwave in most version and is shown as a Barrier in Sonic and the Black Knight [it counts because Lancelot is essentially a story parallel to Shadow just like Percival is to Blaze and Gawain is to Knuckles]), Super Sonic can manipulate different energies (Super Sonic manipulates the negative and positive energies of the chaos emeralds, while both are chaos energy, they are different types of chaos energy, and proof of this is when he neutralizes Perfect Chaos), and Super Sonic can absorb energy (he absorbs the negative energy from Perfect Chaos after defeating them and returns it back to the chaos emeralds after turning back into his base form); Not sure if any of this counts, but it seems like some of these things support why Game Super Sonic would keep his Reality Warping.
 
That's really hard to read...

-Altering Time would be Time Manipulation

-Giving Themselves or Others New Powers is Power Bestowal (And the examples you gave is simply just him sharing the Super Form with them)

-Wishing Hard enough isn't applicable, since the reason Sonic beat PC isn't because he wished hard enough, but hecause The Positive Energy the Emeralds produce is more than Negative Energy.

-As you yourself pointed out, those are examples of Energy Manipulation. We don't give people RW via Energy Manipulation because then a lot of characters would have RW soley because they use a form of energy.

Reality Warping gives you access to these abilities, not vice versa. All the abilities you mentioned can be done without Reality Warping.
 
They already have Space and Time Manipulation. This would only remove their RW, as the Time Eater being destroyed is what fixes everything not them actively doing the fixing, similar to how blowing out Solaris as a flame erased the events in Sonic 06. Sonic and Elise weren't directly responsible, they simply killed for a lack of a better term what was.
 
If I elaborated with my views as a see it so; people will report me to darkdragon or antvasima, it happens every single time.

The only way I'm elaborating is if I know I won't "ruin" the thread even though the points brought up by OP is flawed. I'd elaborate if the op and others insist I do. Until then. I'm just commenting this post is flawed.
 
Again no one is gonna report you for disagreeing, heck I've never interacted with you or saw your posts besides the 06 Unused Script thing.
 
I know, but everytime I argue about sonic I'm always seen as the problem.

Oh the script? Whether fake or real it's an unused script, a WoG would have to confirm it.

If I comment any further showing why your argument is flawed it will be in a few minutes
 
Okay I'll go ahead and address these and debate the scene here.

First let's read what reality warping is: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Reality_Warping

"Any decision made in the past, any item ever created, any movement, choice, color, atom, or molecule that exists can be changed. "

"Examples include erasing things out of existence, creating universes, creating/altering matter, time manipulation, spatial manipulation, etc"

Possible Uses: "Users change where the universe around them sits putting them anywhere instantly, similar to teleportation" and "Completely or partially erase things from existence"

Time Manipulation and Spatial Manipulation are forms and states of Reality Warping to note.

"There's nothing indicating Sonic is directly responsible."

1. The rest nothing proving he ain't, considering the world is restored and plot of it implied sonic doing so it's not a stretch.

2. One Chaos Emerald Challenges Time Eaters Power Which it didn't like And the other scans show that after collecting all the Emeralds and defeating this powerful nyugga they can "restore the world" https://ibb.co/tBDvm27 https://ibb.co/SXbSy9g https://ibb.co/sP9PS63 https://ibb.co/3mZmx8k https://ibb.co/y61Q9Q0

"Not only this, Time Eater's abilities have nothing to do with Reality Warping. It's time and space manipulation, He takes periods of time and places them in the white space. The place where they confront Time Eater? It's own personal dimension, not the present which is fine btw considering Sonic and co. were simply taken from it by the time eater, not destrpyed or anything. The Sonics, even if they were directly responsible, wouldn't have been responsible for anything but returning the time periods to their proper times."

1. Time Eaters Abilities maybe or maybe not have nothing to do with Reality Warping (i don't necessarily disagree) however it's time manipulation/erasure is relevant as it is confirmed he controls time-space, can create time anomalies and erased time-space in the beginning of the game. He can create personal dimensions (white space) but that is besides the point.

2. The Sauce (Scans) https://sonicretro.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/scn0005.jpg (bottom left) and https://www.sonicstadium.org/2011/06/e3-sonic-generations-qa-with-takashi-iizuka/ And https://www.gamereactor.eu/sonic-generations-interview/.

Look at them, seriously they confirm what i am saying about time eater, he might be capable of Reality warping hence "Controls time and space" and the fact Eggman said himself that "it had abilities not even I could master"

If time eater erased space-time and the chaos emeralds could "restore it" and sonic can use it, to rewrite the actions and damage the time eater did, it's defo reality warping.

"TL;DR. Sonic is neither shown nor implied to be the one responsible and it's not even Reality Warping. Either another example must be given or it has to be removed from his Super Sonic Key.

EDIT: Even more so, the destruction of the universe is said to be a by product if the Time Eater isn't beaten. As in it's abilities will eventually cause this, but it hasn't happened just yet."

I agree the example should be given but Sonic is responsible for the past, present and future being returned warped back from erasure back to it's regular state physically for the eggmen boogaloo.

No it isn't, it's the actions of the time eater is what caused it (confirmed by WoG that he erased time and space and has dominion over it chief) and is permanent until sonic stops him and uses the Emeralds to restore the world.

Confirmation Sonic Had Done it.

https://ibb.co/YdkWvQP https://ibb.co/0q2r1TF
 
Sorry this took so long. My post got erased when the page reloaded, so I'm not gonna quote everything....

As I've mentioned before in the thread, these abilities can be gained without RW. RW can give a multitude of abilities but said abilities do not equal Reality Warping.


A. The Plot didn't imply he did it tho. The plot made clear that the Chaos Emeralds were Time Eaters weakness. In both the 3DS and Console versions there's nothing after the final hit on the time eater, just "poof" back to the present.

B. Your interviews don't really provide any new info. All of them just reaffirm that Time Eater has Time-Space Manipulation, not RW. The Chaos Emeralds are soley said to be his weakness.


No it isn't, it's the actions of the time eater is what caused it (confirmed by WoG that he erased time and space and has dominion over it chief) and is permanent until sonic stops him and uses the Emeralds to restore the world.

European instruction manual, pg. 5. "Sonic's universe is thrown into chaos when a mysterious new power comes into force, creating Time Holes which takes Sonic and his friends."

It's a byproduct of his abilities. His Erasing Time and Space is taking time periods (say Green Hill) and placing them in the White Space.

Confirmation Sonic Had Done it.

https://ibb.co/YdkWvQP https://ibb.co/0q2r1TF

This isn't confirmation. This is just them going back to the period in time they were taken after the Time Eater is beaten and time is fixing itself. Heck we even see Classic leave through one of the the Time Eater's Time Holes back to his Period, opened completely independent of the Sonics or Chaos Emeralds.
 
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