Regenerationn Update Project

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Wait, how do you know that it's complete annihilation of every single aspect?

 

[Antvasima]

Because, as far as I understood, that is how we defined it when we discussed the issue in another thread, and what the Regenerationn page should say. If it was left unclear, I am open for suggestions regarding how to improve the text.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

"The ability to regenerate after erasure from all aspects of existence, such as from history, narrative/plot, and/or conceptual/information destruction."

I mean, yeah, all levels, the text makes it relatively clear. Conceptual erasure isn't enough in this system.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Wait, how do you know that it's complete annihilation of every single aspect?

The idea is that it would be relative to your verse. A verse that isn't a meta narrative couldn't very well be denied High Godly for not having its characters erased from its narrative. But on the other hand, if a purely conceptual being was destroyed on a conceptual level, as well as being destroyed as if they were never created, and they regenerated from that, it would have high godly regen

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

What do we define as "Information based" erasure?

It would probably depend on the context of the verse which the feat comes from

 

[Udlmaster]

Now, I have to get "High-godly+" for fulfilling all of the requirements. (Sarcasm)

WoD has erasure from all history, Narrative, Conceptual, Information and Time and Space.

 

[Eficiente]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Regenerationn?diff=5840490

If you have to have all of that in orden to gain High-Godly then ", such as" should be replaced with "; Including". That would make it clear.

Also what is "information destruction"?

 

[Udlmaster]

Destroying your information.

For example, you see all reality as information, so if you was a ZIP file full of your information, and I chose to delete your "ZIP" File, you would not exist on any level, informational level is similar to conceptual, as it makes up all you are and ever was (Back up).

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

that seems far too specific to be workable.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

It would probably only work for specific verses

 

[Andytrenom]

I feel even DDLC has that type of information erasure (don't think anyone regenerates though)

 

[Eficiente]

Destroying your information.
For example, you see all reality as information, so if you was a ZIP file full of your information, and I chose to delete your "ZIP" File, you would not exist on any level, informational level is similar to conceptual, as it makes up all you are and ever was (Back up).

I figure as much, but disagree that just saying "information destruction" would logically mean the same to any reasonable person reading the page. This is just going to make Sonic fans trying to give Mid-Godly regen to characters who recovered from having their driver's license stolen, or something like that, just because it sorta fits the words "information destruction" being said in True-Godly.

 

[Eganergo]

What about acausal that has no past, future, or whatsoever. Does that instantly grant them high godly if they are erased?

 

[Antvasima]

The idea is that it would be relative to your verse. A verse that isn't a meta narrative couldn't very well be denied High Godly for not having its characters erased from its narrative. But on the other hand, if a purely conceptual being was destroyed on a conceptual level, as well as being destroyed as if they were never created, and they regenerated from that, it would have high godly regen

Iapitus is mostly correct. The erasure should be relative to the way a character's setting works. For some it would be bodily, spiritually, conceptually, and temporally (from history), as that would be all the ways available, whereas others would require erasure from the narrative/plot itself as well.

 

[Udlmaster]

What about acausal that has no past, future, or whatsoever. Does that instantly grant them high godly if they are erased?

Sounds like an Aorigin being rather than Acausal.

And unless it states that any action they took would be erased by the erasure, then I imagine not.

 

[Eganergo]

Doesn't that mean we cannot equalize verse anymore in regards to regen and regen negation?

 

[Antvasima]

@Eganergo

I do not know, but it was the best option that we seemed to have available.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Doesn't that mean we cannot equalize verse anymore in regards to regen and regen negation?

Why wouldn't we be able to? If a character can return from having literally no facet or aspect of them remaining on any level, then that would apply to someone doing that in or to another verse.

 

[Eganergo]

High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after erasure from all aspects of existence, such as from history, narrative/plot, and/or conceptual/information destruction.

Before continuing, i need clarification regarding or.

Do you need to fulfil all the conditions above, one, or some of it.

@Udl

I'm refering to Acausal type 2 (and above?)

Tbh my problem is "destroying from history". Doesn't this mean everyone that has acausal type 2 are high godly as long as they can fulfil "mid godly" qualification? Because they don't have history in the first place (don't exist on past nor future).

 

[Udlmaster]

@Udl

I'm refering to Acausal type 2 (and above?)

Tbh my problem is "destroying from history". Doesn't this mean everyone that has acausal type 2 are high godly as long as they can fulfil "mid godly" qualification? Because they don't have history in the first place (don't exist on past nor future).

The Acausal being may not have history, but their actions would, they would affect the world around them.

So, the erasure would have to specify that their actions were undone, that would be a clear indicator of this.

 

[Eganergo]

I'm pretty sure having no past mean they leave no trace of past action as they only exist in the present.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

If a character didn't exist in the past and/or future, then temporal/retroactive erasure would play no part in whether they qualify for High Godly or not, in the same way that someone who didn't have a soul would not have soul destruction accounted for in their qualification for High Godly regen

 

[Udlmaster]

I'm pretty sure having no past mean they leave no trace of past action as they only exist in the present.

Is it not that they only truly exist in the present?

More, rather, they exist indepedent of past and present, their actions would require cause and effect.

For example, if they killed a Non-Acausal being, would that person be dead?

If yes, they their effects on the world would have history etc. independent of themselves.

If no, then all Type 2 Acausals lose any fight they part-take in, as they cannot successfully attack any thing.

 

[Eganergo]

Ok, i just want to say that regen that come from this type is synonymous to time manipulation. Acausal type 3 too, qualified for "high godly" because they can comeback (not regen) from the future or other place/universe.

Imo, high godly regen that come from this type is not comparable at all to high godly that come from conceptual destruction and other.

Bonus question: why history? Why not future too, or destruction of timeline?

 

[Antvasima]

@Eganergo

I removed the "or" previously to avoid further misunderstandings.

 

[Sera_EX]

It's the same thing. I'm trying not to be overly verbose for no reason and spam the word "temporal". History can mean past, present and future and not just the past, you know.

 

[Eganergo]

Though, it mostly associated with past.

So basically all timeline correct? I can agree with that.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Regenerating from its body and soul being destroyed is Mid-Godly, but if the mind/sanity do not "survive" the process I would say that is a weakness.

I think that they mean mental destruction is too much, but soul isn't.

 

[Nekron2]

@Eganergo,

It can mean anything basically. From what I understand if you are able to come back from being erased to the point that you never even existed to begin with, then that's high godly regen.

 

[Antvasima]

This thread was originally intended to organise a revision project for all of the currently inaccurately tiered profiles

It might help by using Google search. For example:

"True-Godly" site:vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

It also matters for Regenerationn negators.

 

[ShivaShakti]

I think The Elder Scrolls is pretty clearly High-Godly

The reason they have True-Godly is because certain characters can survive being erased by CHIM, which just completely voids you from the dream of the godhead, which would count as across all aspects.

 

[Udlmaster]

I think The Elder Scrolls is pretty clearly High-Godly
The reason they have True-Godly is because certain characters can survive being erased by CHIM, which just completely voids you from the dream of the godhead, which would count as across all aspects.

Definately, even though people consider me an opponent for TES, it definately has pretty god tier High-Godly regen.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Ye.

Currently trying to think of other verses too... Speaking of which I love how SMT already had the correct High-Godly even before revisions were done, so all the work is done for us on that verse.

I think we should give DnD a look next

 

[Antoniofer]

Isn't that Zero-Sum? CHIM is the opposite of that, but I only known that by general culture.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Okay yeah Vecna and the Other DND gods definitely sound like they need to jump from Mid to High-Godly lmao

Their Regenerationn description quite literally states they can come back from all aspects of themselves being erased.

 

[Nekron2]

@Antoniofer Basically, azura survived being erased by vivec who has achieved CHIM. When a CHIM user erases someone, they remove that being from the dream of the godhead which is basically being erased on all levels. That's why high godly-regen.

 

[Udlmaster]

Okay yeah Vecna and the Other DND gods definitely sound like they need to jump from Mid to High-Godly lmao
Their Regenerationn description quite literally states they can come back from all aspects of themselves being erased.

Yeah, and on top of that, they are able to erase beings from Non-Existence, such as erasing Sha, who is literally non-existence personified.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Isn't that Zero-Sum? CHIM is the opposite of that, but I only known that by general culture.

I wouldn't say CHIM is Zero-Sum.

Its more like you survived Zero-Sum and from it gain powers.

As for CHIM Erasure yes, it does sound similar to inducing Zero-Sum to people

 

[Antoniofer]

Those who survive Zero-Sum archives CHIM (or something like that), but CHIM is not the power that ultimately erase others (how one of you mentioned above).

And as for DnD, aspects generally refer to existential manifestations/avatars and not exactly what our description of our new High-Godly says, does it involve being no longer part of story, like, if never have existed to begin with?