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Regarding the DB 4 Galaxies Thing

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Pretty sure in that context it means "quadrant" or "area", not literal galaxies. If North Kai only monitored one galaxy, then how would that explain the Milky Way being inside of the North Galaxy? Also since Super shows that this clearly isn't the case, as we're shown intergalactic/universe travels as opposed to simply hearing about the cosmology, shouldn't this info also be shared with DBZ?

Even in the non-canon where Kid Buu destroys a galaxy over time, it clearly wasn't our galaxy or else there'd be no story to tell.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11656

Thread made previously here -> https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/175532

Clearly this will affect the tiering of non-canon profiles.
 
The Everlasting said:
We only do the four galaxies thing with GT, not that it affects any feat anyway.
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How wouldn't it? And that wasn't the case, a while ago DBZ threads were discarded because of the 4 galaxy theory.
 
I think that there were a picture that showed the 4 galaxies, perhaps, it was just a representation. Also, as Ever said, that wouldn't change the tier of no one, in GT no one was going to destroy (one-shot) the universe.
 
Because no GT characters have feats that are affected by there being only four galaxies.

Also, the thread you linked is nearly two years old.
 
Yeah I know, was just stating I know the discussion was had. Also it would affect the movie characters.
 
Janemba warped the Heaven (don't remember the real name) is the only feat that could vary with the size, but the size of the Heaven has nothing to do with the Universe's. Other feats is destroying a galaxy over time (Broly and Buu), and are only limited by one galaxy.

EDIT: or is the heaven 1/10 of the Universe size?
 
Ah, and what universe were 1/10 the size of the other? Anyway, if the 4 Galaxies is debunked then the Janemba's range would change to Universe level, not sure for AP, these reality warping habilities are not used for combat, and to be honest are pretty poorly...
 
Old Stuff

I. Hell

Õ£░þìä/jigoku Translation: hell, the earthly prison Other Names: HFIL, the Home for Infinite Losers (Funi)

Hell is where the dead souls which Enma Daio judges to be evil are sent to. It consists of an extremely vast, rocky plain that takes up the entire lower portion of the afterlife(aka as wide as the universe), and is covered by the yellow clouds that surround Enma's palace and the Serpent Road.

Heaven

Õñ®Õø¢/tengoku Translation: heaven, the heavenly country Other Names: the Upper World (Viz)

In the anime, Videl, Bulma, and co. look for Gohan here after being killed by Boo. Heaven is said to be as wide as the entire universe itself, and seems to consist mostly of an immense field of flowers.

https://youtu.be/HI8lGXOouVo?t=37s

"The way things are, I cannot use the powers we have been given to rightfully preside over the Next World."

"Once that happens, the laws governing This World and Other World will break down!"

"The deceased will come back to life, and there will be great chaos!"

This would mean at least universal - universe+ range.

"There's non-canon Kid Buu destroying earth with a blast radius comparable to a galaxy (could be argued that there's an angle difference), and there's also the fact that he was going to destroy Grand Kai's planet, which is multi-galaxy in size."

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There's also the fact that an interview with Ryo Mito, the producer of Shin Budokai said :

" Janemba is an evil creature that appeared in HIFL. He is the strongest enemy to appear in the Dragon Ball Z anime movies. He possesses overwhelming power and speed and has a variety of special moves at his disposal. He can use his club to create a very sharp sword, which he uses to attack his opponents in the game. He's as powerful in the game as he was in the movie, so he'll be one of the strongest characters in the game. "

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https://web.archive.org/web/19970815150634/http://www.wizard.com/~gogeta/dbz_13.html
And Grand Kai's planet is like a quarter of the size of heaven, if that, making it a multi-galaxy sized planet which you can clearly see. I've displayed this info multiple times + it's in the OP. I also don't see how anything shown is 3-C, or how Grand Kai saying Goku's power feels like a hurricane discredits anything.
This is everything I typed of note on the matter.
 
And Hell was stated to take up the entire bottom portion of the afterlife, which means it too, is as wide as the universe.
 
Heaven and Hell obviously isn't the size of the universe. Don't take things out of context. The whole Other World is.
 
Now that i think about it, the "heaven is as wide as universe" statement came from the anime, which is non-canon, and the Daizenshuu notes this, so i'm a bit unsure.
 
IDK if Janemba's reality warping can count as AP, Unlike characters who warp time space as it alters the history, that of janemba has just resurrected the dead and creates a bazaar in hell
 
How is quoting something that's directly stated taking it out of context? Saying it's as wide as the universe doesn't mean it's as big as one.

Also it provides more proof of the universe being separated by dimensions.

"The Kaioshin Realm is, well, the Realm of the Kaioshin. It is a special realm completely separate from the macrocosm that the afterlife, universe, and Demon Realm are all enclosed within.

The only way to reach this realm is by teleportation: East Kaioshin himself relies on Kibito's Kai-Kai technique, while Goku uses his own Instant Movement, and Boo gets here by copying Kibito-Shin."

Travel to and from the Afterlife The dead Elder Kaioshin freely goes to New Namek without Uranai Baba, but as a god he might be an exception. If nothing else, some sort of teleporting ability is needed under normal circumstances, due to the separation between the afterlife and living world.

On the other hand, living people seem to have no problem traveling to the afterlife and back, but only if they have teleporting powers. Uranai Baba can travel freely between the living world and afterlife, and Goku teleports to Kaio's planet and back again before the Cell Games.

Kinda like how the only way to Zeno's place or the World of Void is via teleportation, or the only way to leave the HBTC is either by destroying it, or creating a portal that bridges the time and space of the universe and the room. Whis could only fly between realms and universes, because of his "warp" flight ability, which allows him to cross these realms, and travel through time.
 
Since the Dragon Ball universe has two different space-times for the afterlife and the living world, destroying it would be 2-C, wouldn't it?
 
Depends on how it's downplayed analyzed.

The afterlife, demon realm, and living world are all enclosed in the same ball. There's a dimensional boundary between the afterlife and mortal realm, similar to that of the HBTC and Earth. And the kaioshin exist on the outside of all of that, another dimensional boundary. Boundaries you can only cross via teleportation, portals, or the angel warp ability.

Some scans with dimensional stuff

Also, Goku not being able to sense Buu or Gotenks's power inside the HBTC is PIS, simply because Piccolo could telepathically communicate with both Trunks and Goten, while they were in the room, and he wasn't.
 
I was asked to comment, but I do not remember the DBGT 4 galaxy discussion well enough anymore to be of much help here. Sorry.
 
but according to the scan you have shown, there is only one Afertworld and it is much larger than the universes
 
Actually, the Toeiverse is at least "a lot of galaxies"-sized. Kid Buu destroyed one, and East Kaioshin also states that "in a few years, entire galax(ies) were destroyed", which suggests a "more than 4" galaxies universe.

We classify the DBGT universe as having 4 galaxies based off of Herms's veredict in the matter.

There is also another point of view to consider. The term "galaxies" in the Dragon Ball universe has two different meanings:

1. A collection of planets, stars and nebulae

2. A simple denomination to refer to the four sections of the universe, as stated in the Daizenshuu.
 
Also, the Kaioshin Realm is not a tenth of the universe, it is a tenth of the universe AND the Afterlife combined, so the old "1/5 the size of the universe" myth is possibly supported by official material.
 
The Discussion Rules also state that those things are not to be discussed, unless new evidence is brought to the table, so this probably doesn't violate any of our regulations.
 
Dark649 said:
In the Discussion Rules Janemba, Buuhan and SS3 Goku are mentioned to not be discussed.
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That's because people like to close threads based on misinformation.

Regardless, the sizes themselves don't matter much, since they're all in one dimension.
 
The universes in DB arent created by big bang and are limited in size so that's why an universe in DB only consists of 4 galaxies.
 
Even before Super debunked the 4 galaxies thing, there was evidence suggesting a normal universe.
 
It means that the universe cannot be expanding. It IS 4 galaxies large. We have a stated size, and a non-expanding universe- deal with it.
 
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