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Record of Ragnarok Revision

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The weakness needs to be fixed since Thor managed to harm Lu Bu should we add soul manipulation to his profile? I would also like to discuss possibly aura. In the profile it says "His hammer does not awaken instantly Milionir(doubt I spelled that correctly) takes awhile to awaken" before his duel with Lu Bu his hammer never awoke it doesn't need time to awaken.
 
Ok, so I'm finally caught up on RoR. Loving the Jack the Ripper vs Herc fight so far.

In my opinion, I think all the participants should have limited soul manip. If they kill someone, then the enemies soul is destroyed as well. I'm pretty sure this is more due to their state of being rather than anything else.

In addition, shouldn't Thor only be multi continent with his awakened weapon?
 
Also, shouldn't zeus not be Low 2-C in his base form? He probably only beat Chronos when he was at his full power. Also, Adamas was a thread to Zeus, and Poseidon killed him. Perhaps Kojiro should be Low 2-C with his weapon?
 
Actually, on second thought, I feel like it would be more reliable to just say that the divine weapons bypass durability, instead of saying that Kojiro's weapon deals low 2-C damage.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
In addition, shouldn't Thor only be multi continent with his awakened weapon?
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The gloves protect Mjolnir from Thor's power, it needs to awaken to not just break, so no I don't think so.
 
Honestly 2-C is giving Zeus far too much credit he's most likely Multi-Continental/Planetary that would probably be more accurate. Kujiro is definitely not 2-C Adams most likely was never a threat to Zeus he got one shot by Poseidon after all. The reason ones soul/body is reduced to nothing at the end is most likely a unique ability the gods put in the arena it has nothing to do with the Volounds themselves the Valkyrie do temporarily fuse with the host though and turn into a weapon which can count as soul manipulation.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Actually, on second thought, I feel like it would be more reliable to just say that the divine weapons bypass durability, instead of saying that Kojiro's weapon deals low 2-C damage.
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Should it be specified that they only bypass durability on those considered to be divine in nature?
 
I don't think it is that simple. Bryn makes it seems like all the divine weapons will naturally destroy the weapons of mankind due to some kind of hax
 
All man made weapons are vastly inferior to divine weapons which are considered cheat weapons by Brunhilde which is why they could never hope to harm a god their craftsmanship isn't good enough. The weapons don't need divinity but their craftsmanship needs to be on par with a divine weapon. The only divine weapon that has durability bypass so far is Randgridz who died in the first battle who had the unique ability shield breaker.
 
HajimexYue forever said:
All man made weapons are vastly inferior to divine weapons which are considered cheat weapons by Brunhilde which is why they could never hope to harm a god their craftsmanship isn't good enough. The weapons don't need divinity but their craftsmanship needs to be on par with a divine weapon. The only divine weapon that has durability bypass so far is Randgridz who died in the first battle who had the unique ability shield breaker.
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Nah, it isn't due to the weapons just being stronger, although that does play a part. Bryn made it pretty clear that there was a "cheat" aspect to them. Something like a knuckle duster in and of itself wouldn't have allowed Adam to keep up with Zeus just from being high quality. We know that Adam already had the strength to keep up with Zeus, but without a divine weapon, he still wouldn't have been able to do anything to him. Don't forget, Adam struck Zeus with the hand that didn't have the knuckle duster on it as well, and it still caused damage. Hell, he even used his leg, and it still caused damage
 
HajimexYue forever said:
Baki can you create the draft profiles for Jack the Ripper and Heracles?
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I can work on a Jack the Ripper profile, but Herc has an arsenal of techniques that we haven't seen yet. We should probably wait for the fight to finish before we make his
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
HajimexYue forever said:
Baki can you create the draft profiles for Jack the Ripper and Heracles?
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I can work on a Jack the Ripper profile, but Herc has an arsenal of techniques that we haven't seen yet. We should probably wait for the fight to finish before we make his
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Yeah, I think that's for the best. I'm decent at profile making, but haven't got a clue on building drafts for them
 
I guess all we can do is calc his current feats. We know he is massively stronger than Ares but we don't know how strong Ares is himself. I'll have to re-read to see if I can find anything
 
they are all souls, so they should get soul manipulation
Regarding the clock, probably jack manipulated it, as well as all the city, it is previously stated and showed that non divine weapons are useless, or maybe the city is made up with divine object or something like that.

I also think, divine weapon ignore durability
 
Adam is a special case he was able to harm Zeus with his bare hands and feet because the guy could copy Zeus's divine techniques and throw them back at him. Gods can harm other gods and as a copy of the Gods Adam can harm them even without a volound. None of the human fighters have shown the ability to harm souls they have however fused with a Volund which from my understanding is a fusion of body and soul. The gods seem to have a physical body and we're born naturally just look at Poseidon's past for prooof of this.
 
Jack did not manipulate the city or souls im not sure where your getting that he most likely attached a blade to the clock or because the city was made by the gods the parts of the city can harm Heracles. Divine weapons do not ignore durability except for the first Valkerie who partnered with Lu Bu.
 
Being able to harm souls is nothing more than a consequence of the circumstances of the tournament.

Unless we are really saying Hercules as a nobody kid has soul resistance as Ares didn't kill him right away or that Hercules had non-physical interaction as he could touch Ares.
 
Guys gods are born naturally they don't exist as a soul Poseidon is proof of this. Once a human dies they go to heaven if they die in heaven that's it not really sure what state humans exist in heaven they seem to have a physical body and have a soul but their original body stays on earth. The Valkyrie guide souls to heaven so I guess they exist as souls but have bodies? Sorry I'm kinda confused about how heaven operates in this universe.
 
It behaves kinda like they have bodies, but it seems they are treated especially if they are fighting in the Ragnarok Arena - their souls gets lost if they lose. We see Adam kill the snake anyway in his backstory, and he doesn't die like the people in the tournament despite: 1) Being for sure killed, there's no arguing that and, 2) Being killed by his own technique.
 
Well Brunhilde said this is a battle of souls so I guess your right about that. I'll also agree with you about the soul thing being unique to Ragnarock Adamas didn't disappear after being killed either
 
So for Soul manipulation I think it's ok to add that gods can harm souls and for the humans it should be that they can fuse their body/soul with a valkerie to form Volund humans haven't shown that they can harm souls yet.
 
I'm starting to think more and more that it was intentional than Adam can hurt gods bare-handed due to his being made in the image of God, as he was able to do things that the verse has not only outlined to be impossible, but has consistently shown other humans incapable of doing. I believe Adam may be an exception, not an outlier
 
It's due to him being made in the image of God. Even before ragnarok, Adam was hurting and killing gods. Even when Adam lost his eyes, he was still able to hurt and keep up with Zeus without copying his techniques
 
Speaking of Adam, does anyone else think he died with the first hit Zeus landed? Because all of Zeus' attacks in Adamas were said to be certain death if they landed and I don't remember any signs of him still being alive after his eyes went and he got nailed in the face. Him fighting obviously doesn't count as it was a point that he kept fighting even in death.
 
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It's due to him being made in the image of God. Even before ragnarok, Adam was hurting and killing gods. Even when Adam lost his eyes, he was still able to hurt and keep up with Zeus without copying his techniques
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Right. I believe that he should be granted the same abilities we grant divine weapons due to his actual classification or nature of being made in the image of God
 
It's hard to say. It felt a little like a "if he gets hit, he ain't recovering", but considering we never see at what point he actually goes down for the count, am tempted to believe your idea.
 
I believe it was some time inbetween their last exchange of hits. After the first hit Adam was still trying to block and was able to speak. Then once they grab each other, both Adam and Zeus are screaming at each other. There is also a panel of him screaming. However, after that panal it cuts to audience which when it cuts back to Adam his facial expression is clearly changed. Sometime when they were trading blows, Adam died.
 
From the looks of it after he said"found you" he passed away a couple of minutes after that midway through their exchange of fists feel free to make fun of me for this but I respect Adam as a human and man.
 
So has anyone else noticed the gods are kinda weak? Hear me out Ares is known as a Strong god even amongst gods yet he's no match for Heracles who is powerful don't get me wrong but nowhere near what was shown in the previous matches i think we might be thinking these gods are more powerful than they actually are.
 
Herc is quite weak compared to the rest. The previous gods had some sort of statements that we can use such as Thor shattering Earth and tearing apart the land and seas, Poseidon being called on of the top tiers of the team (Which Thor wasn't). Herc lacks definitive staements, he has feats and statements against beings we don't know how strong they are. Hopefully it gets revealed later how strong Ares and the 12 Labors are, or we get a spin off like the Lu Bu manga.
 
We'll Ares is apparently a strong god even amongst gods and Heracles is currently stronger than him so doesn't that mean most gods are weak? Thor is definitely top tier he's the strongest Norse god and Odin and Loki are Norse gods as well so he's stronger than both of those guys. All the gods participating in Ragnarock are the strongest gods so they are the gods top tiers.
 
Pretty sure Thor was said to be the strongest Norse War God, not strongest Norse God in general. That said, Loki won't be stronger or as strong as him imo. Only Odin would probably match up.

The remaining gods probably won't be close to the level of Zeus or Poseidon though. Zeus was said to be the trump card and Adamas was gathering a big ass army of the strongest enemies the Greeks fought as well as Olympians just to take him on. Poseidon would scale relative to but below Zeus as the army plus Poseidon is what Adamas thought he needed to take out Zeus.

Pretty much everyone is gonna be fodder physically compared to the first few but make up for it with cool gimmicks. The random extras gods are absolute trash though, can't argue otherwise on that.
 
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