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This would work if they are bigger, but Mantis Shrimp has a small size to give them a wolf-tier rating. If we assuming that they hits with a distance of 1 cm, this is still 10-C so this don't work at all. We need to just remove this of even their durability, a cat would easily kill this small crustacean..
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Size doesn't have anything to do with it we know what the results of it punching something is and evidence shows it is 10-A. Also what do you mean cat assuming a domestic cat how literally none of their ranges intercept on land yeah maybe the same would be the case with pretty much all other sea animals in water the cat gets it's skull broken. I would also not recommend using size as a primary argument against invertebrates above tier 10-C as their muscles are different from vertebrae's
 
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Size doesn't have anything to do with it we know what the results of it punching something is and evidence shows it is 10-A. Also what do you mean cat assuming a domestic cat how literally none of their ranges intercept on land yeah maybe the same would be the case with pretty much all other sea animals in water the cat gets it's skull broken. I would also not recommend using size as a primary argument against invertebrates above tier 10-C as their muscles are different from vertebrae's
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Size always matter in the tier of animals.

How is the mantis shrimp 10-A? You literally are saying that 50 gram mantis can kill a human based on that. Newtons =/= Joules, nothing stated in their profile is 10-A.
 
Size always matter in the tier of animals.

How is the mantis shrimp 10-A? You literally are saying that 50 gram mantis can kill a human based on that. Newtons =/= Joules, nothing stated in their profile is 10-A.
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Joules is N×m, the size of the insect is going to make the shrimp's AP below a meter
 
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Size always matter in the tier of animals.

How is the mantis shrimp 10-A? You literally are saying that 50 gram mantis can kill a human based on that. Newtons =/= Joules, nothing stated in their profile is 10-A.
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No I am not I am saying that they do feats that are 10-A despite this and still deserve the tier.
 
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Size doesn't have anything to do with it we know what the results of it punching something is and evidence shows it is 10-A. Also what do you mean cat assuming a domestic cat how literally none of their ranges intercept on land yeah maybe the same would be the case with pretty much all other sea animals in water the cat gets it's skull broken. I would also not recommend using size as a primary argument against invertebrates above tier 10-C as their muscles are different from vertebrae's
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We also have Small & Large Size as actual Abilities on site due to the tier defining parameters size is stated to cause on their pages. You will have to debate against this too. Insects are different though can you give me the length of the mantis's arms & their type of punch?
 
which feats?? a 50 gram mantis isn't 10-A 💀
that 1500 newtons is the force of their punch, they are too small to generate a energy of at least 100 joules
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source. 1500N can be converted to joules 1 for one
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Mantis Shrimp vs. Human: What Can It Do To a Human?

Here's what a mantis shrimp can do to a human and whether it can hurt them. Learn all about what a mantis shrimp can do to a human with this in-depth article.
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www.quora.com

How powerful is a mantis shrimp's punch?

Answer (1 of 8): The generally accepted analogy of the potency or power behind a mantis shrimp strike is that it has about the same impact power of a typical .22 caliber bullet fired from a .22 rifle. They are faster than a .22 bullet and their chitinous chelipeds deform less than a lead bullet, ...
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magazine.scienceconnected.org

How the Mantis Shrimp Packs a Powerful Punch

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please provide an actual source to prove me wrong as I am pretty sure you have the burden of proof
 
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source. 1500N can be converted to joules 1 for one
naturenoon.com

Mantis Shrimp vs. Human: What Can It Do To a Human?

Here's what a mantis shrimp can do to a human and whether it can hurt them. Learn all about what a mantis shrimp can do to a human with this in-depth article.
naturenoon.com naturenoon.com
www.quora.com

How powerful is a mantis shrimp's punch?

Answer (1 of 8): The generally accepted analogy of the potency or power behind a mantis shrimp strike is that it has about the same impact power of a typical .22 caliber bullet fired from a .22 rifle. They are faster than a .22 bullet and their chitinous chelipeds deform less than a lead bullet, ...
www.quora.com www.quora.com
magazine.scienceconnected.org

How the Mantis Shrimp Packs a Powerful Punch

Science Connected Magazine is an editorially independent, non-profit newsroom producing open-access science journalism and scientific fact-checking for the global public.
magazine.scienceconnected.org magazine.scienceconnected.org
please provide an actual source to prove me wrong as I am pretty sure you have the burden of proof
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??

Joules = Newton * Distance (or displacement)
 
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Source: Wikipedia

The newton (symbol: N) is the unit of force in the International System of Units (SI). It is defined as 1 kg⋅m/s2, the force which gives a mass of 1 kilogram an acceleration of 1 metre per second per second. It is named after Isaac Newton in recognition of his work on classical mechanics, specifically Newton's second law of motion.
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Your sources are cool, I'll evaluate them later.

Btw, what are you trying to prove here? m/s^2 is velocity change or acceleration. Can you define a joule so we know what we are dealing with here?

Pressure & Surface Area is a thing.
 
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Breaking a thumb, and dismembering crabs is higher than 10-C and how can 1500 newtons be less than 1500 newtons
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Also, yeah, breaking a thumb can be 10-C but it depends on the distance and how much damaged was the thumb.. also, when the mantis shrimp did that? 🤔
 
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Breaking a thumb, and dismembering crabs is higher than 10-C and how can 1500 newtons be less than 1500 newtons
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Are newtons joules? Joules can be less than Newtons if the displacement is under a meter. 1500 N = 1500 N, but 1500 N*0.5 m is less than 1500 N.

I'll be agreeable as much as I want but I'm sure staff like @KLOL506 won't accept electricity. Human durability is Wall Level by heat. Are humans 9-B?

"Note: Unlike most fictional verses, the Real World does not violate any laws of physics or thermodynamics and as such, everyone and everything will be judged based on their own calculations. Numerous aspects such as the distinction between destructive capacity and attack potency, calculation stacking, power scaling, et cetera do not apply to the real world and thus weapons and animals harming other animals or damaging vehicles via piercing attacks, leverage, or similar are not indicators of scaling, unless an opponent can be overcome through sheer raw power."
 
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💀.

Well, the mantis shrimp as a height of .8 to 2 cm, and like we can see here, the mantis can throw punches in a displacement similar to their height, so we need to just do some math..

  • Energy: 1500 newtons * ((.8+2)/2) cm = 21 Joules, meh.
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Also, the displacement of this is probably even lower due to exact moment of force & since I'm assuming using the entire height making the result much more higher & wanked, so probably no 10-C+ shrimpy, it's too close to just 10-C too. 💀💀
 
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From what I've gathered, these bois are just living needles. Pitbulls can maul people with their teeth, & they're just at this psi.

If they're that comparable to .22 caliber bullets, where's the human fatalities? Wolves are well known & the insect is known among fishermen. Where's the thing that says that a Mantis Shrimp can kill a human or an equivalent? They kill/harm things that are around it's size.

Edit: Why isn't the Mantis 9-C if it's 1500 N? It's 10-A for some reason. By your logic, stomps are stronger than the Mantis Shrimp? Where's the animals/things that are 10-A in durability
 
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source. 1500N can be converted to joules 1 for one
naturenoon.com

Mantis Shrimp vs. Human: What Can It Do To a Human?

Here's what a mantis shrimp can do to a human and whether it can hurt them. Learn all about what a mantis shrimp can do to a human with this in-depth article.
naturenoon.com naturenoon.com
www.quora.com

How powerful is a mantis shrimp's punch?

Answer (1 of 8): The generally accepted analogy of the potency or power behind a mantis shrimp strike is that it has about the same impact power of a typical .22 caliber bullet fired from a .22 rifle. They are faster than a .22 bullet and their chitinous chelipeds deform less than a lead bullet, ...
www.quora.com www.quora.com
magazine.scienceconnected.org

How the Mantis Shrimp Packs a Powerful Punch

Science Connected Magazine is an editorially independent, non-profit newsroom producing open-access science journalism and scientific fact-checking for the global public.
magazine.scienceconnected.org magazine.scienceconnected.org
please provide an actual source to prove me wrong as I am pretty sure you have the burden of proof
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Here & here

edit: why did you assume that we can't convert Newtons to joules? The link that justifies around 1269 J uses a different method. Force times displacement in meters is Joules but not Newtons or N times acceleration or m/s^2.

Your Burden of Proof is on par with us if you can't find the displacement of the insect. Acceleration isn't distance moved.
 
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