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Ye, I calc'd one of those and using linear momentum the bear still receives Wall level energy, just gotta find that calc I made years ago.
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I'm casually waiting for Spino's response here on his sandbox, although he's stated to procrastinate on Real World revisions. Since's he's considered staff & invested in many verses I'll give him like 1-2 months (Apr 4-May 4) after he's made his statement to do the sandbox. After that I'll probably ask him on the sandbox.
I could make a sandbox blog on some of the IRL animals here in this CRT with refs on reliable source since I'm a high schooler with some time on his hands. I'll do it if there's little progress in this thread for like months at a time.
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I've got COVID at the moment, the others can work on the project in the meantime if they want. I've started listing some of the animals here before though but it's a very very rough draft: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan/Sandbox_9
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Your odds of surviving the disease are excellent!
You can push through, the staff here likely has been through a lot of stress stuff. I'm sure that you'll live.The sandbox is excellent though.
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BTW, Wild Pigs are invasive to the US & have been known to kill humans. The fact that Wild Boars & Domestic Piggies are the same species tempts me to link them to their individual pages, should I link them to each other?
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Thank you very much for helping out.
I hope that you recover completely soon, and that things will get better for you in general.
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That's interesting, I wonder what animals it would scale to though. I don't think lions and tigers are necessarily as powerful as bears in terms of brute strength alone, though I could be wrong.
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Also for animals like rhinos which primary form of attack is indeed charging, a simple 9-B rating would probably suffice
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The bear that I got to be Wall level via the linear momentum thing was a small black bear BTW, it got hit by a semi-truck at decent enough speeds and lived to tell the tale.
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Hippos, all form of cattle, elephants, pigs and boars to name a few.
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We'll just have to be more cautious in scaling their durability, since some of these animals do die if they smash into each other head first at full speed (like we probably would too)
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Btw I think tigers can be 9-C+, the documentary where I got the 1400 pound figure from also states that an actual bloodlusted wild tiger would have an estimated paw swipe of 10 000 pounds. Assuming that force is applied over a feet, that's pretty deep into 9-C.
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no, still looking for it.
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Was the truck travelling that fast though?
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On a side note, a Tiger died on a National Highway in Madhya Pradesh from being mowed over by a (light) vehicle (Archived). I just casually typed "lion/tiger gets run over by vehicle car truck semi" or something equal to that & I got that result on the surface.
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Yeah I'm a bit skeptical of the bear taking a full speed truck hit
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Prolly could get lower speeds of 40-60 mph I suppose, but 25 MPH would be way too slow for roads like that.
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I had no luck finding the vid on Ghostarchive.org or the wayback machine. The thread's existance implies that the video was available at some point.
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I just typed in "bear hit by bus" & got people committing animal cruelty on a poor bear (a poor bear survived getting run over by a truck twice & then got beaten to death by crowbars (Archived)). I think you can find plenty feats of (black) bears surviving being hit by cars (in Massachusetts "According to the state, about 30-40 bears are hit by cars on an annual basis, with the majority on interstate or state highways."), but they do get killed by them in other circumstances "Tennessee television station WBIR reported that 35 bears were killed by cars near the Smoky mountains in just ten months. This was put down to a growing human population around bear habitats."
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Hmmn so it looks like this is something they do get injured by and may or may not survive
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Basically, I did give supporting evidence to the ratings in this thread, Giraffes are deadly, & the bears that survived car crashes may not survive in other circumstances. I mean, you can link &/or type the feats into the pages as long as they're archived via a screenshot, quote, or archive site like the waybackmachine, archive.ph (orginally archive.vn), & ghostarchive.org in case the evidence proofs out of existence. For me, I just like to do things in references (I'm saving the sheep & hunter-gatherer-Cro magnon stuff for another thread).
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If Spino's adding the force of a tiger paw swipe, he should leave a ref or link for the documentary & segments of relevance.
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I think I'm planning in making a couple of sandboxes with refs on the animals with sources here in this CRT if I have the time (I have homework from school).
I'm taking a mental breather & I'll calculate the linear momentum of the bears just to see if their peak durability/one shot from cars holds up, & then I'll put it in a blog.
Weight: 100 - 600 lb for Black Bears depending on many factors (Archived), but I'll use the middle value of ((100 + 600)/2 or) 350 lb. The average car weighs 4,094 lb (Archived). The average body mass of the human is 62 kg for this calculation (pdf pg 3) (Archived)
Speed: Passenger vehicle speed limit on completed segments of interstate highways is 65 mph, 60 mph during daytime, 55 mph during nighttime (Archived) However depending on the person & situation, they'll go under, or over the speed limit (Archived). I'll deduct/add the speed limit by 5 mph for this calculation due to this.
Calculation:
Under speed limit by 5 mph
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(60*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 24.77296051 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((24.77296051)^2) = 48714.65683 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(55*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 22.70854713 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((22.70854713)^2) = 40933.84357 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(50*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 20.64413376 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((20.64413376)^2) = 33829.6228 J
At the speed limit
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(65*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 26.83737388 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((26.83737388)^2) = 57172.06251 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(60*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 24.77296051 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((24.77296051)^2) = 48714.65683 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(55*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 22.70854713 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((22.70854713)^2) = 40933.84357 J
Over the speed limit by 5 mph
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(70*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 28.90178726 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((28.90178726)^2) = 66306.06068 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(65*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 26.83737388 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((26.83737388)^2) = 57172.06251 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(60*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 24.77296051 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((24.77296051)^2) = 48714.65683 J
Geez, the Wall level results are staggering. If the results are legit, then it's no wonder that black bears can get easily injured/one-shotted by cars.
Edit: The calculations have been edited to accompany the fact that there's a driver in the car.
Realistically speaking, if a character/animals severely injuries a black bear to incapacitation or one shots the black bear in a (single) physical attack, I guess the wall level results are applicable. You can find videos (Archived) of (Archived) black bears (Archived) fighting/wrestling each other, but no one-shots or them severely injuring each other with their attacks. (A domestic piggy wrestled & pushed a Black Bear (Archived))
I'm taking a mental breather & I'll calculate the linear momentum of the bears just to see if their peak durability/one shot from cars holds up, & then I'll put it in a blog.
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I think you can find plenty feats of (black) bears surviving being hit by cars (in Massachusetts "According to the state, about 30-40 bears are hit by cars on an annual basis, with the majority on interstate or state highways."), but they do get killed by them in other circumstances "Tennessee television station WBIR reported that 35 bears were killed by cars near the Smoky mountains in just ten months. This was put down to a growing human population around bear habitats."
I think you can find plenty feats of (black) bears surviving being hit by cars (in Massachusetts "According to the state, about 30-40 bears are hit by cars on an annual basis, with the majority on interstate or state highways."), but they do get killed by them in other circumstances "Tennessee television station WBIR reported that 35 bears were killed by cars near the Smoky mountains in just ten months. This was put down to a growing human population around bear habitats."
Speed: Passenger vehicle speed limit on completed segments of interstate highways is 65 mph, 60 mph during daytime, 55 mph during nighttime (Archived) However depending on the person & situation, they'll go under, or over the speed limit (Archived). I'll deduct/add the speed limit by 5 mph for this calculation due to this.
Calculation:
Under speed limit by 5 mph
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(60*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 24.77296051 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((24.77296051)^2) = 48714.65683 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(55*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 22.70854713 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((22.70854713)^2) = 40933.84357 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(50*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 20.64413376 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((20.64413376)^2) = 33829.6228 J
At the speed limit
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(65*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 26.83737388 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((26.83737388)^2) = 57172.06251 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(60*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 24.77296051 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((24.77296051)^2) = 48714.65683 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(55*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 22.70854713 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((22.70854713)^2) = 40933.84357 J
Over the speed limit by 5 mph
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(70*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 28.90178726 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((28.90178726)^2) = 66306.06068 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(65*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 26.83737388 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((26.83737388)^2) = 57172.06251 J
(((((4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62)(60*0.44704))/((((350+4094)4.448222)/9.80665) + 62) = 24.77296051 m/s
-> 0.5((((350)4.448222)/9.80665))((24.77296051)^2) = 48714.65683 J
Edit: The calculations have been edited to accompany the fact that there's a driver in the car.
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I edited in the blue whale & hippo into Spino's sandbox btw, I wonder if I should organize the animals in alphabetical order. I might risk making a slip up, but then again, anyone in this thread can revert a slip up/vandalism that would be done there.
No biggie.
No biggie.
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I found a source that's by experts & enthusiasts on lion & tiger paw swipes in lb ft s. One had stated that a lion's paw swipe is 400 lb of force. Edit: I also found a source on black bear paw swipes being 520 lb of force LOL.
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If it's just lbs of force and not the actual ft-lbs that can be directly converted to joules, then that's useless.
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The Mike Tyson (I think) punch we used to use for Composite Human assumed force over a feet for Joules, though that'll definitely be higher for big animals
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Mike Tyson's punch also had a joule value perfectly corresponding to Frank Bruno's punch value which was actually in ft-lbs.
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If we know the impact velocity of a punch we could multiply force by velocity to get power, which is Joules per second but a good enough approximation.
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ft-lbs can be directly converted to joules tho, it's only when the unit is just left as pounds of force is where it becomes difficult to measure.
But now I think most pounds of force measurements are, well, most likely, references to ft-lbs.
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