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I converted the values into J/s for the lion & tiger, making Tigers 9-C+ to 9-B & Lions 9-C to 9-B. Although it's important to note that they used the formula of (animal weight in lb)(max animal speed in mph) = paw swipe striking strength in ft-lb/s (Yes, I did mathematically check this on a calculator for the Sumatran & Malayan Tiger, & the Asiatic Lion & Mountain Lion, you should check it for yourself). How reliable is this formula?

I applied their formula for a 62 kg or 136.6865907 lb human going at 5 or 5.9 mph, & it gave me 683.4329537/806.4508853 ft-lb/s or 926.6107004/1093.400626 J/s. Converting the mph into m/s just inflates the human to 2072.769104/2445.867543 J/s. The only human attacks that I can think of that would reach the 500 - 2000 J range would be those of the lower body (Kicks & Stomps).
 
Antvasima said:
So have you reached any conclusions here that we can apply? I can ask for input from DontTalk if necessary.
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Much of the evidence here provides evidence to much of the current ratings (blue whale has durability feats & statement), some of which gives the animals new ratings & descriptions (domestic pig has a LS from pushing IRL people, one pushed a black bear, tiger's standard tactics & LS can be updated to include neck aiming & human neck snapping). There's 2 things I'm Inconclusive on, the bear paw strikes not powerful enough to smash the skull & the ft-lb/s formula that's that's used in the calculations for the paw strikes.

If I had the time, I could create sandbox with refs, but I have school & IRL stuff going on.
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
I converted the values into J/s for the lion & tiger, making Tigers 9-C+ to 9-B & Lions 9-C to 9-B. Although it's important to note that they used the formula of (animal weight in lb)(max animal speed in mph) = paw swipe striking strength in ft-lb/s (Yes, I did mathematically check this on a calculator for the Sumatran & Malayan Tiger, & the Asiatic Lion & Mountain Lion, you should check it for yourself). How reliable is this formula?

I applied their formula for a 62 kg or 136.6865907 lb human going at 5 or 5.9 mph, & it gave me 683.4329537/806.4508853 ft-lb/s or 926.6107004/1093.400626 J/s. Converting the mph into m/s just inflates the human to 2072.769104/2445.867543 J/s. The only human attacks that I can think of that would reach the 500 - 2000 J range would be those of the lower body (Kicks & Stomps).
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How did you convert the values to J/s? Also that formula doesn't seem to make sense as that's the momentum of the animal's full speed.
 
I'm planning on making suggestions in a doc & possibly a sandbox for the Giraffe, should thr giraffes's neck swings be comparable to IRL people that survived collisions with cars (& trains on occasion)? Vehicle collisions & giraffe neck swings can send people flying. I'll calc it down in a blog from numerous sources.
Carlos Carvalho gets serious injuries from getting sent flying from a Giraffes's neck to the head, dying later on in a hospital. (Archived). His skull was claimed to be crushed by the thorns (ossicones) of the Giraffe (Archived). A Raleigh woman on safari in Zambia got her arm broken, 9 ribs broken, & a punctured lung from a giraffe that pursued, swung it's neck & headbutting her. She got sent flying 12 feet into the air & landed in a thorn bush according to her husband (Archived). I wonder if a neck from a Giraffe is comparable to a human getting sent flying by a vehicle/train.
 
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VegetaFan756 said:
I wouldn’t say that bears have stealth “mastery” as they have a habit of yelling at you when attacking
also they are very noisy when killing people
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(Possible Stealth Mastery?): https://seaworld.org/animals/all-about/polar-bear/diet/ (Archived). The link states that it can flip seals onto the ice, & I've researched into the weights of the seals it eats. It can on occasion kill beluga whales & young walruses.

I forgot to mention that polar bears stalk seals, also think I've seen a grizzly ambush a hunter. So the bear is more ambush than stealth?
 
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I think the reason why lions are 9-B in AP is because of their durability to take down/survive attacks from (Archived) buffaloes (Archived) & (Archived) hippos (Archived), & the fact they fight on par with each other.

Fighting on par with some that can occasionally survive high speed car/train crashes with human level AP doesn't make you wall level in AP in real life. I'm perfectly okay with lions & tigers being 9-C in AP.

Lions do hunt cattle & other big animals, but their standard tactics & what their prey usually does in predatory attacks should be considered.

  • Standard Tactics: When hunting, Lions typically use stealth,[29][43][50] & teamwork to hunt.[29][41] Lionesses go first due to their speed when hunting in groups.[12][43][51] When Males are hunting alone, they prefer dense habitats where they can surprise prey more easily.[36][43][50]

Lions typically hunt Zebras, Wildebeests, Gazelles, Warthogs, livestock, Deer (Chital & Sambar), Wild Hogs, & Nilgai (Antelope).
 
Sandbox of the Giraffe is finished! However, there's references, notable changes in AP, Conventional Bodily Weaponry addition, & Intelligence. & other description changes (LS, Dura,).

AP has been added from spino's sandbox. Though I'll note that I added in the EQ of the Giraffe since EQ (Encephalization Quotient) has been a predictor of intelligence amongst animals. Maybe it can be a measure of how smart/animalistic an animal is?
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Looks good. I'm a little bit uncertain about 9-B durability, is there anything on whether their kicks seriously injure each other or can they tank them just fine?
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I mean I haven't look too much into the subject. I'll research it if I have the time. Where did you find the idea that Giraffes are probably 9-C in durability?
 
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Not necessarily anywhere, I'm just uncertain if there's enough evidence for 9-B durability.
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They scale to their attacks, lions & crocodiles in durability. Lions seem to be 9-C individually & 9-B in prides in terms of AP. I've looked into lions, but not Nile Crocs & Jaguars (has been stated to be able to fend off Jaguars). There are anti-feats of Giraffes getting killed in vehicle collisions & stress.

Should the Giraffe neck strikes be 9-C, or 9-B? They strike 1710 N with their horns (Ossicones).
 
What about this page? Isn't 9-B when jumping a bit too high?

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Ocean Sunfish

The Ocean Sunfish, also known as the Mola mola, is a large species of fish that inhabits tropical and temperate waters worldwide. They are the largest bony fish in the world, and have a maximum recorded length and weight of 4.2 meters from fin to fin and 2300 kilograms, respectively. Ocean...
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Also, I think I found justification for Sperm Whales being 9-B in KE. There's cases of them attacking ships & has been suggested that they ram each other in fights between males. Whalers striking whales with harpoons typically took tens of minutes to hours. On a legendarily weak piece of evidence, legend has it that Mocha Dick can take multiple spears & has scars from previous attempts to harpoon it. It’s also been suggested that a Sperm Whale could’ve accidentally collided with the Essex, causing it to sink.

There's other instances of whales surviving harpoons lodged in their sides or explosions from grenade tipped harpoons for minutes at a time before dying due the instances involving (Archived) whales (Archived) & harpoons (Archived).
 
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Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Since skull crushing is no longer 9-B, what other actual 9-B feats do elephants have?
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Since when? I know very well that there's definite 9-B feats, they crush humans to death, can easily dent, flip & damage vehicles, has justifiable KE via feats of ramming vehicles & sending people flying with their rams, & can easily rampage & demolish houses just to get some booze in some situations. I do have a calc on their KE if anyone is interested, though I'll update linear momentum of the human on my own since it's unrelated to elephant strength. (The links above do have LS feats of Elephants easily lifting vehicles btw)

Speed feat wise, they can keep up with many vehicles.

Durability wise, Tyke the Elephant took 87 shots (presumably from the police) before dying from their injuries. Another took a couple of shots & still had the ability to rampage.
 
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