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So now we come to the final phase of the CRT for this verse, which will deal with the scaling, tiering, haxes, profile updates, etc. This particular thread will focus on the scaling and tiering of the characters as per the cosmology, while the next and final one will focus on haxes and profile updates. For reference, here are all my previous threads (which have been accepted) for the Verse's CRT:
Magane
Meteora
Altair/Sirius
TL;DR
Agree: 22 (@Celestial_Pegasus, @DarkDragonMedeus, @SomebodyData, @Dereck03, @Reiner04 , @BoastJr, @Hecky2222, @Nissa_Ushiromiya , @DeMarigny'sClock , @Rakih_Elyan , @Vesxpura, @Cipher72 , @Zanesucksatlife, @Maniaunavailable, @AlipheeseXIV, @Iiliminal, @ZillionZeutron, @NothingToDebateWith , @Child_of_destiny , @shinnKazals, @Apex_Predator_GX, @Enter_Bluey)
Disagree:
Neutral:
- Minor stats revision for the characters (7-C and Relativistic+)
- CRT for abilities for the other characters
- Storyworlds CRT (2-A)
- Real World CRT (At least Low 1-C, Possibly Higher)
- Infinite Abyss/Imaginative Force (Likely 1-A)
Magane
For Magane, her hax "Infinite Deception of Words" will be 5D as she was able to warp the cause and effect of the real world for her misdeeds and even changed the laws permanently so that Hangaku's attacks wouldn't affect her. Additionally, her range will be Low 1-C as she is able to summon the Hounds of Tindalos from the Storyworlds to the Real World.
Meteora
Meteora doesn't have a profile here, but I will create one for her soon. She will have 3 different keys. First one is base, which scales to other creators like Alicetaria and Blitz, which will be High 8-C.
Second key will be Post-Revision where her powers were revised by the creators to make her magic stronger and as such, not only could she interfere with the laws of the Real World as well as the Storyworlds, but could also manifest/control the Birdcage, a Narrative Cage existing between Real World and Storyworlds, which not only initially fooled Altair into thinking its the Real World, but it was also capable of trapping Altair. So in this key she'll be Low 1-C via her haxes and also range.
The last key will be Human Meteora, who will have all her stats lowered to the average human level, as well as all her previous abilities removed, since the Restorative Power of the Real World nullified her abilities completely and turned her into a human. However, she'll gain the basic applications of the Imaginative Force as a naturalized human of the Real World (albeit through collective approval). So this key will have Human Level Physicals but 1-A hax via Imaginative Force.
Second key will be Post-Revision where her powers were revised by the creators to make her magic stronger and as such, not only could she interfere with the laws of the Real World as well as the Storyworlds, but could also manifest/control the Birdcage, a Narrative Cage existing between Real World and Storyworlds, which not only initially fooled Altair into thinking its the Real World, but it was also capable of trapping Altair. So in this key she'll be Low 1-C via her haxes and also range.
The last key will be Human Meteora, who will have all her stats lowered to the average human level, as well as all her previous abilities removed, since the Restorative Power of the Real World nullified her abilities completely and turned her into a human. However, she'll gain the basic applications of the Imaginative Force as a naturalized human of the Real World (albeit through collective approval). So this key will have Human Level Physicals but 1-A hax via Imaginative Force.
Altair/Sirius
And finally, we come to the main part of this thread, i.e., the scaling for Altair. There will be 2 Keys for Altair. The first being Pre-God Altair. This is the version of Altair that we see for the majority of the series, and this composites both Base Altair and Altair 2.0/Sirius Reborn because Altair was constantly growing in power and thus, there is no specific "Base" version. In this key, she will be 7-C Physically, at least Low 1-C via Holopsicon. The 7-C already exists in her current profile, but you may ask, why Low 1-C via Holopsicon? Well, here are the reasons:
- Holopsicon was stated in the series to be Omnipotent as well as being an Infinite Power, and having the power over all of creation.
- The Holopsicon is powerful enough to even create worlds, and this was before Altair got amped to God status.
- Altair, likely using this Holopsicon, was also able to break through the dimensional barrier separating the Story Worlds from the Real World and made the storyworlds collide with reality.
- Additionally, her powers were constantly increasing, due to which it was theorized by Meteora that Altair could break free from the Birdcage if she were to use her Holopsicon at fullpower and if she were to make a move, then all the worlds would collide and be destroyed.
- This is proven when Altair became Sirius Reborn/Altair 2.0, she stated that she would use her Holopsicon to make all the Storyworlds collide with the Real World, causing everything to return to oblivion.
- I have an entire sub-section in my blog dedicated to explaining Holopscion's power, but you get the gist of it.
- As such, Holopsicon will be At least Low 1-C for being able to affect both the Storyworlds and the Real World, while Altair will also get a Low 1-C range for traveling between both worlds and summoning/BFR'ing beings from these two worlds.
- From the previous thread, we are able know that the true nature of all worlds is that they are all stories. This is because Altair, who understands everything and is infallible, refers to the Real World as a Story multiple times in the series, and even the Narrator of the series calls the Real World's events a "Story the Surpassed All Stories" even though the Real World has shown to have an R>F difference with the storyworlds and the series makes a distinction between Reality (Real World) and Fiction (Storyworlds) consistently. All of this is created and controlled as stories by the Imaginative Force within the Infinite Abyss, which exists qualitatively deeper and transcends the worlds, thereby establishing a difference in quality and perceiving all worlds equally as mere stories, irrespective of their size, structure, hierarchy, etc. Further supported by Altair's statements when describing Holopsicon's power as the power of reincarnation of the true reality (which is a flowery language used to mean her Holopsicon mimics the Imaginative Force), reinforcing the idea that Altair is aware of a True Reality, and it is not the Real World/Land of Gods (since she described the Real World as an Alternate Universe to the Storyworlds instead).
- At the End of the Series, when Altair was greatly amplified by the audience using the Imaginative Force, she became a God. Afterwards, we see that Altair also made Setsuna a God on the same level as her. Now, there is a thing about being "God" in the verse. As per Meteora, humans in the real world are not the "God" that everyone imagines. Humans in the real world can create other worlds, but they have limitations, and unlike an Actual God, they are neither immortal nor absolute. As such, a God is someone who does not have any limitations, is immortal, and is absolute. Altair and Setsuna, as absolute "Gods", are now able to create their own stories and worlds, and unlike the humans in the real world who require the collective approval of many people for something to manifest, Altair did not require any such thing when creating, erasing, and again recreating the world for Setsuna. This illustrates that Altair (and by extension Setsuna) is actually a legitimate God, with absolute power.
- From their conversation at the end of the series, we find that when Altair and Setsuna became Gods, they created an Alternate Timeline to the Real World, which they called a "Story", and even said they would create/control Infinite Stories/Worlds. Notice that she uses the words "World" and "Universe" synonymously with "Story" even if the World is on the same level as that of the Real World, which means that from Altair's perspective, all worlds are now the same, i.e., stories that can be created and controlled as such. Therefore, this implies that the Imaginative Force not only empowered both Altair and Setsuna to God levels, but also brought them to its own comparable existential level in the Abyss, from where all the Worlds are equally perceived as stories from EoS Altair's perspective.
- Importantly, Altair is not merely empowered by the Imaginative Force in the sense of channeling a higher power. Rather, her ascension is explicitly portrayed as a qualitative elevation of her existence, where she gains the same mode of being as the Infinite Abyss itself. This is evidenced by the fact that, after her ascension, she perceives, creates, and controls all worlds—including those previously designated as “Reality”—as stories in the same manner as the Imaginative Force, indicating ontological parity rather than external empowerment. Before Godhood, Altair distinguished between the Storyworlds and the Real World, but after her ascension, this distinction ceases entirely, and she uniformly refers to all such structures as “stories,” even when they exist on the same level as the former Real World. This permanent shift in perspective demonstrates that her existential position has changed entirely.
- There is also the fact that Imaginative Force/Infinite Abyss also set up the fates and destiny of everyone and all the chain of events that occurred in the series, as also explained in the novel. So in a sense, everything that happened in the series was already authored by it, and it willed everything into happening. So even the whole "non 1-A is using 1-A power to boost another non 1-A to 1-A levels" happened because the Imaginative Force fated it to happen.
- Now I know people will say that we see Altair and Setsuna physically existing in the Universe they created, and thus, it is a disqualifier for 1-A. Well, the answer to that is pretty simple, because that is not the actual form of Altair (or Setsuna, for that matter). In the entire series, the Altair we see exists as some form of Physical Image, which she used to interact with the Worlds, which is specifically why physical attacks and magic do not work on her, and her concept needs to be attacked to even hurt her. Now, her real/true self is an entire Story that is Infinite (and infallible), Eternal, and Unchanging/Immutable, and we know that when a Story is created, it exists independently outside the Real World without any Causal Relationship. Setsuna also exists similarly, and I have explained this here. Yet after their Ascension to Godhood, Setsuna's mere presence would warp and destroy the Alternate Timeline Altair created parallel to the Real World. This shows that even their physical avatars can passively affect Low 1-C structures. Moreover, at the end of the series, it is implied that their physical forms merged with the white void of Oblivion, showing that the physical bodies we saw of both Altair and Setsuna are not at all their real/true selves. Additionally, upon ascending to Godhood, erased the Birdcage that was becoming unstable and safely returned the characters to the real world, even though we never visually see her doing that in the anime.
TL;DR
- Magane:
- 5D/Low 1-C Hax and Range (Magane's ability could warp the cause and effect of the Real World and even permanently bend its laws. Magane can also summon beings from the Storyworlds to the Real World)
- Meteora:
- High 8-C in first key (Comparable to other creations like Blitz Talker, Alicetaria February, etc)
- Low 1-C Hax and Range in the second key (Post-Revisions, her magic became powerful enough to interfere with the laws of the Real World as well as the Storyworlds, and could also manifest/control the Birdcage to trap Altair in)
- 10-B Physically, 1-A Hax via Imaginative Force (EoS she became nullified and naturalized as a normal human being of the Real World and therefore possesses the Power of Creation as the other humans, but still it requires collective approval to manifest something)
- Altair:
- 7-C Physically, at least Low 1-C via Holopsicon in Pre-God key (Altair is physically stronger than all the other creations, as she can physically overpower Vogelchevalier, who can cut down Gigasmachina. Easily executed Mamika Kirameki with her swords, even though Mamika could tank her own Magical Splash Flare attack while impaled and weakened. The Holopsicon is portrayed as an omnipotent, infinite power over all creation, capable of creating worlds and breaking the barrier between the created worlds and the real world to connect them together. When Altair gained more power as Sirius Reborn, she was going to use Holopsicon to collide all worlds, threatening total annihilation and a return to Oblivion)
- 1-A in God key (After ascending into Godhood through the Imaginative Force, Altair became an immortal, absolute, and limitless God capable of freely creating, erasing, and controlling infinite worlds and stories without constraints, even elevating others to Godhood as she did with Setsuna. She was elevated to an existential state comparable to that of the Infinite Abyss, the true reality existing qualitatively deeper beyond all worlds, from which all realities are perceived, created, and controlled equally as mere stories in their true nature, regardless of hierarchy, scale, or whether they are regarded as Reality or Fiction)
Agree: 22 (@Celestial_Pegasus, @DarkDragonMedeus, @SomebodyData, @Dereck03, @Reiner04 , @BoastJr, @Hecky2222, @Nissa_Ushiromiya , @DeMarigny'sClock , @Rakih_Elyan , @Vesxpura, @Cipher72 , @Zanesucksatlife, @Maniaunavailable, @AlipheeseXIV, @Iiliminal, @ZillionZeutron, @NothingToDebateWith , @Child_of_destiny , @shinnKazals, @Apex_Predator_GX, @Enter_Bluey)
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