Well, not really, but at the same time yeah. I put partial elemental resistance on both her and haruka's profile for that, but yeah, i should prolly make that more clear, same with how venefica realized a lot of his characters have heat resistance now lol
Ok so she can take prolonged exposure then
Yeah
I already explained why that wouldn't be very practical, especially since it requires a movement before the move itself is executed (Warning time) and also the fact that haruka can adapt to cinners' skill (Reactive evolution) And she has more than enough ways to avoid or defend it (Shadow portal, Blocking, Nullification of the extension, etc)
Yeah but Cinner can vastly lower the movement time to be sudden and boost his speed with acrobatics. Her RE can only do much I think against something as varied as Cinner’s extension with someone who’s trained with the weapon for over a decade and taken on people with far more experience than that, some with said weapon. Cinner can also pursue/pull her if she goes for a portal, blocking depends on her getting the chance to drop the shield since she’s left stationary and Cinner can potentially feint her into dropping it, and nullification would have a cooldown so Cinner could try this after Haruka’s tried that before backing off and he’s gotten back in.
This is the second time you say this and the first time, it only started the debate over again.
The first time we decided on someone advancing after not too long also
They aren't wrong!
I don't remember that being said anywhere in cinners' profile. The only way he can get stat amps is when the 'dragon' is around. And RE in bakuhatsu has handled opponents much more inexperienced (e.g asuna) to match much more experienced ones (e.g kedron) I've already explained this i believe.
I don’t mean stat amps, I mean him speeding up his descent with Ki. And yes in Bakuhatsu, but at the same time Cinner is on a different tier of experience so I don’t think it’s entirely fair to assume we can equalize their skill like that. And even if they are equal, Cinner caught Rinser who’s his equal but with a more fluid style as opposed to his speedy aggression.
Kedron was also on a different tier of experience basically, but even an incredibly inexperienced asuna, who hasn't even been in terra for more than 3 days, could still adapt to kedron in skill. I feel like you're really downplaying the reactive evolution here. And what's not to say that haruka can't bypass his prediction through changing movement patterns or strategies? Cinner has to adapt to that, and he can't predict what he doesn't know how to predict.
She can put them underneath her to fall through them. she doesnt have to move towards them. The air sense thingy is true, though once again it's not like it'll actually help with attacking her either. How does it work though? Nullify could prolly disable it. Haruka has the adaptation to counter his skills with her own very quickly, and also has just as many abilities to execute strategies of her own, if not more so, since haruka can outright prevent cinner from using certain abilities. I've already explained this in my reasoning post i'm pretty sure.
Haruka also significantly outranges (Hundreds of kilometres >>> Tens of meters) so cinner executing anything is outright impossible unless haruka gets in his range, which she won't allow, the only reason she'd get in range is if cinner is weakened by organ damage so much to the point where he can longer move (Which i think should be a real possibility. Once haruka adapts through RE, She'll be able to land hits, especially with superhuman precision AND prediction of her own as already explained, and could possibility get the opportunity to destroy the object bond too with significantly great AP too once adapted) Then haruka will go in for the kill.
Yeah but Cinner’s experience is far beyond the guy in that instance. I just find it hard to believe without similar feats to go off of. And I’m not sure what Haruka can do that Cinner can’t react to. We’ve established he starts with advantage in acrobatics and he’s seen a good portion of her powerset plus main weapon before. Unless she pulls out some sort of crazy move, she has to risk herself taking damage to try and outmaneuver Cinner who’ll be giving it his all to catch her. He stalemated Rinser who similarly had elemental projectiles in the style of earth shards that were quite small and could sap his energy plus do a second attack like Divergent Fist.
It’s not that cinner’s experience is far beyond Kedron, I’m clearly referring to the difference in skill one can cross with Reactive Evolution in Bakuhatsu (Assuming their will is strong enough). Even if Haruka is completely outmatched (Which she shouldn’t be) RE can let her adapt and possibly surpass quickly. Catching Haruka will be extremely hard, especially with Haruka’s own prediction capabilities, again, giving her at least some sort of a helping hand, and there’s also the fact that Cinner can’t predict Haruka’s movements if she decides to switch strategies to counter it, and also the fact that she can move in such a way that she disappears from sight even with equal speed (Already explained in reasoning post, and also from Vol 1 Chapter 7). AND this you are once again assuming Haruka needs to get in close, which she doesn’t need to, given that she can do pretty much the same amount of damage from well outside cinners range.
YesOh dang, we went from retracting votes to back to voting againBut I’m not complaining, that makes it 3-2 in haruka’s favor then?
if it’s not over by some time tomorrow I’m gonna have to force the rest of the tourney through
Writing it as we speakSHIVER ME TIMBERS HE’S ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKE ONE
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HarukaNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(Btw who you voting? Venefica wants us to finish this MU ‘one way or another’
I think it’s a High-Diff in either direction, but Haruka has lots more ranged options, especially since she can effectively attack from outside rotten sewage’s general range
I don't believe the skill thing either. Again, this is a very(Very) high diff match and nobody here thinks that Cinner is jobbing or anything, plus you said you didn't want to write another big reply, which is understandable, but unless there's another vote you still have the 24 hour period to try to change everyone's mind which I'm also open to given just how close it feels
Yes but that gap is smaller given Cinner has beat hordes of warriors with centuries of combat experience and people with Haruka’s powerset, neither of which apply to that example. Even if Haruka can match Cinner’s skill, I don’t think it’ll be that quick like you’re framing it to be. Learning to ride a bike and entering NASCAR are two different things even if it’s the same basic principle. And Cinner has plenty of attacks and strategies he could try like backing off with his extension before letting the staff pull him back in to attack or launching projectiles to distract Haruka. He can also try setting up an attack which Haruka will predict before changing direction mid attack and catching her unawares. Haruka can’t exactly move out of Cinner’s sight given he can feel the air in the area. And why doesn’t Haruka need to get in range? Cinner can block attacks from a distance from people with enhanced precision like what Haruka has and will be getting a warning each time she sends something his way. I think she’ll eventually have to try using her scythe in which Cinner outranges it and gets some hits in and perhaps a combo which deals great damage. You can’t just tell me Haruka is not afraid to get into close range and then say she’ll never feel the need to try close range even when long range isn’t working for her.
